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Kellen Winslow says he wants to be a Giant

Braylon's dad says he wants to be a Brown

At the end of the day it doesn't matter unless a team like the Giants offers far more than what they currently are.

Braylon and Mangini have a one year audition with each other and I fully expect they will take advantage of that... if it works out, extend him. If not, franchise him and trade him.
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Lets hope Braylon doesn't drop the ball on this one.. I mean the Browns don't drop the ball. Wow 1994 here I come!
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Edwards for a 2nd, 5th and any WR on the NYG roster would be stupid for Cleveland. Unhappy or not, the guy is worth more than that. NE has a few 2nd round picks . . . B-Easy would look nice opposite Moss w/Wes in the slot. sicksicksicksicksick
Edwards weakness would be nullified in NE. Decoys don't have to be able to catch the ball.
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Cleveland would be stupid to trade him.

A weak passing attack loses Winslow, Stallworth, and Edwards in one offseason? Good luck with that.
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Cleveland would be stupid to trade him.

A weak passing attack loses Winslow, Stallworth, and Edwards in one offseason? Good luck with that.
Don't forget Joe Jurevicius.

I think if Braylon settles down he'll be a great player. I'm 99% sure if he's traded to New York he will do amazing. He just needs a spark to get him to start playing well again. Hopefully Mangini and/or Crabtree can be that.
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If the giants moved the pick up from 45 to our 29th, alongside a fifth and mario/hixon. Anyone think cleveland would bite. I think that's on par with 45, fifth rounder and smith value wise, which cleveland was reportedly willing to take.
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Doubt it. With the dropsies he had all season the Browns would be stupid to trade him with his stock low. He's as good as he was in 2007 and should get back to that form.
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If the giants moved the pick up from 45 to our 29th, alongside a fifth and mario/hixon. Anyone think cleveland would bite. I think that's on par with 45, fifth rounder and smith value wise, which cleveland was reportedly willing to take.
Makes sense but those 16 picks are a big deal to Reese. It's probably the difference between Beatty and a bench LT.

I still think Kiwi is the best way to go.

Kiwi/Manningham (lol)/5th for Braylon.

Reese can go out and find another pass rusher with one of his millions of unnecessary picks (the team has virtually no holes after WR).
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first off Braylon has one year, giving up a 2nd and 5th without an extension is dumb.

Right now id only give up a third if it didnt include resigning. And the Browns wouldnt have him sign long with them bc then theyd have to give him signing bonus, so basically a 2nd and 5th is pretty good.
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Makes sense but those 16 picks are a big deal to Reese. It's probably the difference between Beatty and a bench LT.

I still think Kiwi is the best way to go.

Kiwi/Manningham (lol)/5th for Braylon.

Reese can go out and find another pass rusher with one of his millions of unnecessary picks (the team has virtually no holes after WR).
I hope you mean Kiwi, Manningham and a 5th for Braylon, not Kiwi OR Manningham and a 5th.

Funny thing, in an interview with one of the Giants LB's (can't remember who, wasn't Pierce or anyone like that), he said Manningham was one of the best WR's he's ever seen. Even as a Michigan fan who's usually a homer for most Michigan players, I was like "Really?"
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first off Braylon has one year, giving up a 2nd and 5th without an extension is dumb.

Right now id only give up a third if it didnt include resigning. And the Browns wouldnt have him sign long with them bc then theyd have to give him signing bonus, so basically a 2nd and 5th is pretty good.
I'm sure the Giants would get permission from the Browns to talk to Edwards about an extension before they made any trade or even an offer for him.
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If the Giants want Braylon Edwards, the framework is going to start with the Roy Williams trade.

Edwards is better than Williams. I can't fathom the Browns seriously taking a 2nd, a 5th, and another garbage receiver which the Browns have in ample supply.
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If the Giants want Braylon Edwards, the framework is going to start with the Roy Williams trade.

Edwards is better than Williams. I can't fathom the Browns seriously taking a 2nd, a 5th, and another garbage receiver which the Browns have in ample supply.
Good point. I'd actually tend to think that way myself.
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If the Giants want Braylon Edwards, the framework is going to start with the Roy Williams trade.

Edwards is better than Williams. I can't fathom the Browns seriously taking a 2nd, a 5th, and another garbage receiver which the Browns have in ample supply.
None of those WRs are garbage. Manningham is the closest to garbage on the list but Hixon is a nice player and Steve Smith is a bona-fide #2 wideout. Draft Crab at 5 and you're set + you'd have 3 2nd rounders (premium picks) to help out the defense.

As for Edwards being better than Roy Williams? That's debatable, especially considering what Edwards did last season.

And the RW trade was a trade in which Dallas had no leverage. JJ was set on getting another WR because he thought his team was a player away from a great SB chance. He was clearly wrong, but at the team his heart was set on making the move, whereas the Lions didn't care either way. They basically said "we don't mind holding on to RW, so the only way you're going to get him is if you blow us away." Which is exactly what JJ did. That trade was a clear instance of a team knowingly overpaying for a player with the feeling that the elusive SB ring was as close as the player could reach.

It's clear that Braylon does not want to stay in Cleveland so why not get something for him before he becomes a free agent? You could argue that they'll showcase him this season, franchise him, then get a nice package in return NEXT offseason, but that's a funny way to build a winning organization.

If I were the Browns I'd still be talking, trying to get Kiwi/S. Smith but if the Giants really won't budge I'd probably take the Hixon package, draft Crabtree at #5 and spend my three 2nds on defense and maybe a RB.
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As for Edwards being better than Roy Williams? That's debatable, especially considering what Edwards did last season.

Yea cuz ROy Williams lit it up last year right
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Edwards is better than Williams. I can't fathom the Browns seriously taking a 2nd, a 5th, and another garbage receiver which the Browns have in ample supply.
except the Giants aren't desperate under achievers who feel they HAVE to make a move and bring back a hometown guy...

the Giants have a bunch of options out there, so they won't overpay for Braylon.

plus, Braylon's been in the news, not a cancer by any means, but more public than you'd like (hence this statement...)

he's in his contract year IIRC, AND Cleveland's in full rebuild. teams around the league know that and no team will overpay a guy who'll hit the market in a year
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None of those WRs are garbage. Manningham is the closest to garbage on the list but Hixon is a nice player and Steve Smith is a bona-fide #2 wideout. Draft Crab at 5 and you're set + you'd have 3 2nd rounders (premium picks) to help out the defense.

As for Edwards being better than Roy Williams? That's debatable, especially considering what Edwards did last season.

And the RW trade was a trade in which Dallas had no leverage. JJ was set on getting another WR because he thought his team was a player away from a great SB chance. He was clearly wrong, but at the team his heart was set on making the move, whereas the Lions didn't care either way. They basically said "we don't mind holding on to RW, so the only way you're going to get him is if you blow us away." Which is exactly what JJ did. That trade was a clear instance of a team knowingly overpaying for a player with the feeling that the elusive SB ring was as close as the player could reach.

It's clear that Braylon does not want to stay in Cleveland so why not get something for him before he becomes a free agent? You could argue that they'll showcase him this season, franchise him, then get a nice package in return NEXT offseason, but that's a funny way to build a winning organization.

If I were the Browns I'd still be talking, trying to get Kiwi/S. Smith but if the Giants really won't budge I'd probably take the Hixon package, draft Crabtree at #5 and spend my three 2nds on defense and maybe a RB.
Williams didn't want to be in Detroit either, and the Browns could easily hold on to Edwards without much trouble. The contract situation etc. is basically the same in both instances.

The situation is really quite similiar. The framework of the Williams trade really has to be a starting point. Whether you work up or down from there is debateable, but it's still likely going to be the starting point in any negotiations from the Browns perspective.
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Yea cuz ROy Williams lit it up last year right
You've got two guys. One dropped a bunch of passes and didn't produce much. The other didn't produce much.

They basically both were pretty bad last year. How does that prove that either of them is better than the other?
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except the Giants aren't desperate under achievers who feel they HAVE to make a move and bring back a hometown guy...

the Giants have a bunch of options out there, so they won't overpay for Braylon.

plus, Roy's been in the news, not a cancer by any means, but more public than you'd like (hence this statement...)

he's in his contract year IIRC, AND Detroit's in full rebuild. teams around the league know that and no team will overpay a guy who'll hit the market in a year
You could honestly swap the names Roy Williams and Detroit in there( as I did above lol) and have the exact same situation Scotty.
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You've got two guys. One dropped a bunch of passes and didn't produce much. The other didn't produce much.

They basically both were pretty bad last year. How does that prove that either of them is better than the other?
Roy dropped a bunch of balls in Detroit over his career there as well. Basically he didn't drop a bunch in Dallas because he hardly saw the ball.
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None of those WRs are garbage. Manningham is the closest to garbage on the list but Hixon is a nice player and Steve Smith is a bona-fide #2 wideout. Draft Crab at 5 and you're set + you'd have 3 2nd rounders (premium picks) to help out the defense.

As for Edwards being better than Roy Williams? That's debatable, especially considering what Edwards did last season.

And the RW trade was a trade in which Dallas had no leverage. JJ was set on getting another WR because he thought his team was a player away from a great SB chance. He was clearly wrong, but at the team his heart was set on making the move, whereas the Lions didn't care either way. They basically said "we don't mind holding on to RW, so the only way you're going to get him is if you blow us away." Which is exactly what JJ did. That trade was a clear instance of a team knowingly overpaying for a player with the feeling that the elusive SB ring was as close as the player could reach.

It's clear that Braylon does not want to stay in Cleveland so why not get something for him before he becomes a free agent? You could argue that they'll showcase him this season, franchise him, then get a nice package in return NEXT offseason, but that's a funny way to build a winning organization.

If I were the Browns I'd still be talking, trying to get Kiwi/S. Smith but if the Giants really won't budge I'd probably take the Hixon package, draft Crabtree at #5 and spend my three 2nds on defense and maybe a RB.
Ok, so you know Braylon does not want to be a Brown, how? Because Kellen Winslow said so?

That's interesting, because Braylon's dad said he wants to be a Brown and stay in Cleveland. So who should we believe? The fact is no one really knows.

What we do know is this:

Put Braylon's last 3 years against most any young WR in the league... he stacks up very well, despite the drops.

The Browns do not have to do anything. They have a unique opportunity. Play the year out and go from there. If Mangini and Braylon are happy with each other, sign an extension and go from there. If they don't, franchise him and deal him.

In what universe does it make sense to trade Braylon at his lowest possible value? He's about to play for a contract, so it stands to reason he's going to do everything possible to put up a big year and maximize his value.

If the Browns want to deal Edwards, someone is going to have to meet their demands, not the other way around... suggesting they should have to pick from a few crappy deals is ridiculous.

What's the harm in waiting a season to deal him? Either you keep one of the best young WRs in the league or at worst, you get a nice package of picks with a number of bidders and use the picks for whatever.

In regards to Crabtree, if they decide to take him, which would be fine with me, I hope they keep Braylon in that scenario. Crabtree is going to need a redshirt season in the pros... he has a good deal to learn and throwing him into the #1 WR role is a mistake if you ask me. If Braylon is there, Crabtree can take a year to adjust to the league and step in the #1 spot the following year if they deal Edwards.
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You could honestly swap the names Roy Williams and Detroit in there( as I did above lol) and have the exact same situation Scotty.
excellent point lol. fine, just pay attention to my first 2 thoughts then dammit
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You've got two guys. One dropped a bunch of passes and didn't produce much. The other didn't produce much.

They basically both were pretty bad last year. How does that prove that either of them is better than the other?
Edwards still had 873 receiving yards, i don't think Williams got more than 3 catches in any game last year.
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