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Old 07-05-2007, 12:39 AM    (permalink
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okay im not denying that there is skill involved in poker... but should it really be on sports networks? is it considered a sport?
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okay im not denying that there is skill involved in poker... but should it really be on sports networks? is it considered a sport?
It's popular. Lots of people would watch it... the real question is... why the hell does ESPN broadcast the spelling bee??
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It's popular. Lots of people would watch it... the real question is... why the hell does ESPN broadcast the spelling bee??
i dont think thats the real question ... just another one to go along with darts
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I played poker last night for the first time in ages. It was actually very fun. The previous times I had played with friends, people would go all in on seemingly every hand, and it wasn't worth the time of day. We played like 2 or 3 hours worth of hold-em, and randomly played 7 card no peak, 7 card draw, five card rap, five card draw, etc. for awhile after that.
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It is called random chance. If you play enough hands you will eventually hit a streak where you miss every hand you play.

In a home game, one of my friends hit 4 of a kind 3 times in 5 hands. Each one was a different person dealing and a different person shuffling, so no cheating was involved.

I have had times like that on every major poker site, in brick and mortar tournies, and in home games. Hell, look a little earlier in this thread, I lost 150 bucks in home games even though every time I was all in I was ahead. **** happens, deal with it, rather than blaming the sites.
I am still blaming the site. I got pocket aces 5 times and won once and that was because I bet .50 and everyone folded. Twice, someone takes me all in with pocket kings and then triples up on the flop while I get nothing. The two other times, the same exact 5 cards come up with the other player having the same exact hand. I have the aces while he has 3,4. The flop is Ace, 8, Jack. I obviously have him beat and then the next two cards are 2,5. First off to have those same exact cards come up twice while I have Aces is crap and then to have a guy call about $20-$30 over the course of it with 3,4 off suit is even more crap. Then I got beat by another Ace high flush by a guy getting full house on the river. They must have people working for the site in the tables. I mean, how else do they get money? They give out free $5 every couple of hours. They wouldnt do that if there wasnt a way to get it back.
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okay im not denying that there is skill involved in poker... but should it really be on sports networks? is it considered a sport?
Poker is not a sport at all. It is a very very competitive game.

People confust great competition=sport.

Um no not at all. To me, anything judged is not a sport. Also, any kind of race is not a sport imo...it is an activity. Therefore, track, swimming, running, etc. are not sports.
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I can tell just by the way you talk that you aren't much of a poker player. Great poker players understand that they will lose quite often, regardless of their level of play. What's keeping you from building a fat bankroll with real money?
LMFAO.

I am not much of a poker player? Are you kidding me?

I am ******* obsessed with it.

What is keeping me back is that I can't afford to put down like 400 online right now. Maybe next year if I get a good summer job. I have been way to lazy this summer.
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Poker can be amazing and terrible.

Last year I got rivered about 9 or 10 games in a row when I was second or third in chips (home games) and began to hate poker.

This year I've won 5 of my past 8 games...

How fortunes can change.
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While i seriously doubt FTP is rigged I will admit you see a lot more amazing hands there tan you do at a casino. At the casino I see plenty of hands where the winner has a mid pair yet on FTP you rarely win with anything less than Kings. I think it's mainly to build excitement. If they increase the odds of getting monster hands, people will stick around longer. Nobody will want to sit there for hours and see crap hand after crap hand
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While i seriously doubt FTP is rigged I will admit you see a lot more amazing hands there tan you do at a casino. At the casino I see plenty of hands where the winner has a mid pair yet on FTP you rarely win with anything less than Kings. I think it's mainly to build excitement. If they increase the odds of getting monster hands, people will stick around longer. Nobody will want to sit there for hours and see crap hand after crap hand
What I do notice on FT is that on all my tables I play at at once, bad beats seem to increase at certain times.

The reason u see more amazing hands is because they get out like 65 hands per hour online as opposed to 25 hands live.

They dont' need to build excitement because the excitement is in the way ppl play their own hands, the computer can't control how ppl play.
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I'd start out with the 1,000 buy ins and try and cash
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It's what I was probably doing. I'd love to throw down the 10K for the main event but it seems like a waste to me. Probably play a lot of the smaller Hold Em games and hope I don't run into Phil Hellmuth
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When does the WSOP air? Just the small tournaments.
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LMFAO.

I am not much of a poker player? Are you kidding me?

I am ******* obsessed with it.

What is keeping me back is that I can't afford to put down like 400 online right now. Maybe next year if I get a good summer job. I have been way to lazy this summer.
Well, like I said, great poker players don't act like they're invincible. Because they know from experience that no matter what they do, they will lose quite often. I'm sure you're good. Anybody who reads a few books can be good. But if you're not even playing for real money, then you really aren't playing poker at all. It's actually a bad idea (imo) to sit there and rack a $3,000,000 play money bankroll. Not only will that instill false confidence, but it will naturally throw you off your real money game. Just like when you spend too much time playing with a mini basketball on a 9 foot rim. Takes awhile to get the mechanics back in place when you go back to the regulation ball and hoop.
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Well, like I said, great poker players don't act like they're invincible. Because they know from experience that no matter what they do, they will lose quite often. I'm sure you're good. Anybody who reads a few books can be good. But if you're not even playing for real money, then you really aren't playing poker at all. It's actually a bad idea (imo) to sit there and rack a $3,000,000 play money bankroll. Not only will that instill false confidence, but it will naturally throw you off your real money game. Just like when you spend too much time playing with a mini basketball on a 9 foot rim. Takes awhile to get the mechanics back in place when you go back to the regulation ball and hoop.
Exactly what I've been saying. Playing with play money is a COMPLETELY different game than playing with real money
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Well, like I said, great poker players don't act like they're invincible. Because they know from experience that no matter what they do, they will lose quite often. I'm sure you're good. Anybody who reads a few books can be good. But if you're not even playing for real money, then you really aren't playing poker at all. It's actually a bad idea (imo) to sit there and rack a $3,000,000 play money bankroll. Not only will that instill false confidence, but it will naturally throw you off your real money game. Just like when you spend too much time playing with a mini basketball on a 9 foot rim. Takes awhile to get the mechanics back in place when you go back to the regulation ball and hoop.
I play in a cash game once a week with my friends, .50/1 game. Its really fun, but of late I never bluff because they have caught on.

Once I get a job after college I am going to put a lot of money online...also I don't think I am necessarilly great. I have a lot to learn. My greatest weakness is being greedy at the table. Sometimes I try to win every pot when I see the oppurtunity. Sometimes it works, other times I lose big pots.
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I play in a cash game once a week with my friends, .50/1 game. Its really fun, but of late I never bluff because they have caught on.

Once I get a job after college I am going to put a lot of money online...also I don't think I am necessarilly great. I have a lot to learn. My greatest weakness is being greedy at the table. Sometimes I try to win every pot when I see the oppurtunity. Sometimes it works, other times I lose big pots.
Nice. There's the humility I was looking for. haha. Yeah, it doesn't get much better than playing poker with your friends. The only thing I can think of would be playing strip poker with their girlfriends. Just kidding. Wait, no I'm not. That would be awesome. Wait, no it wouldn't. Anyway, yeah the obvious drawback to playing with the same people all the time is that all your tells become magnified. You need to use that to your advantage. Either you need to be the best reader at the table, or you need to be very crafty with your gear changing. Obviously, you should focus on both at all times. With friends, it's not necessarily practical to sit there stone-faced like Jesus Ferguson. So you need to be keenly aware of the body language you emit in various situations. You can create a tell by acting a certain way when you have a certain hand in a certain situation. Then, you can use that tell against those who noticed it by acting the same way in an opposite situation. Eventually, if you play the balancing act correctly, people will mostly play straight up poker against you. And that's when you have them in the palm of your hand. Make them react to your game, and you'll be in control of the game. You should never think that "they've caught on" to your bluffing pattern, because there should be no discernible pattern.
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I played for the first time in a while yesterday. I won. It was great. At a time when half the table was gone and there were 5 people left. 3 of them good (myself included), one decent but rather new, and one very lucky to be there. I took out one of the good players and the second highest stack with four 10's. He had a weak full house considering what was on the board. After the river he was looking to bet big, stopped after picking up a big part of his stack, and stared me down for a bit. Then he puts the chips down and goes all-in. Right into me. I'm normally a decent player as far as the betting and playing goes, but I'm pretty bad with tells, so I'm ecstatic at what just happened. I stay reserved an unnecessarily pretend to debate the call for a while. He wanted to kill me when I turned my hand over. I was surprised he did what he did, he had played very well all day and was the only player that was able to lead me on and drag chips out of me. But I was glad to see him go and increase my lead to a dominant status. It was smooth sailing from there on out. $$$
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I play in a cash game once a week with my friends, .50/1 game. Its really fun, but of late I never bluff because they have caught on.

Once I get a job after college I am going to put a lot of money online...also I don't think I am necessarilly great. I have a lot to learn. My greatest weakness is being greedy at the table. Sometimes I try to win every pot when I see the oppurtunity. Sometimes it works, other times I lose big pots.
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I know, and I got what I deserved from the fellow players. But this dude was dragging chips from me all day and was being a prick with the fireworks.
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I know, and I got what I deserved from the fellow players. But this dude was dragging chips from me all day and was being a prick with the fireworks.
I hear ya. It just comes down to treating others the way you want to be treated in return. Since you were just reciprocating the ill-will you had received from him, I have no problem with it. But it is a good way to put a target on your forehead. And hey, sometimes that can actually be a good thing at the poker table.
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Is this the ME?

http://www.cardplayer.com/tournament...8?viewall=true

last tourney on the bottom
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Edit: Nevermind, they split day 1 into 4 or 5 different days.

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As I predicted, Harrah's f'd up the entire ME. The blind structure is an absolute joke.

I say the WSOP needs to build its own casino or something so it can make tables more accessible by players and enough room to accombany the thousands of players every year. Also, it could have seperate suites to accompany the high stakes cash games going on.

Harrah's is a joke though, they mess up the WSOP every year. Maybe the fields are too big but something has to be done.
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