The Official Poker Thread - Page 22

MetSox17 · 01-28-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Borat Sagdiyev

Yeah, I don't know Metsox. If I have AK and the flop comes AKK, I'm not ever letting that hand go. Ever. I would pay it off every single time. No getting away from that. The guy could be a donkey playing AQ just like he had AA.

I'm not saying he should have let it go, i'm just saying that pre-flop he could have had the inkling that dj had AA. Of course it's tough as hell, and no one would have made the lay down, but you always have to wonder what the other guy has.

Borat · 01-28-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MetSox17

I'm not saying he should have let it go, i'm just saying that pre-flop he could have had the inkling that dj had AA. Of course it's tough as hell, and no one would have made the lay down, but you always have to wonder what the other guy has.

Yeah, I see what you're saying about pre-flop. The early limp and then re-raise is a dead giveaway of a big hand.

MetSox17 · 01-28-2009, 06:49 PM

I have a story similar to dj's.

I was playing at a home cash game, and i had, for the most part, cleaned the table up. I bought in with 15, and i was leaving with 65. Well there was this one guy who i really don't like at all, he's extremely annoying and he thinks he's the greatest player lyke everz. So after i drop his stack below the table average, he buys in for 45 more dollars. I'm telling everyone i'm leaving already, and i'm stacking up my chips so i can count them to leave, thing is, dealer dealt me a hand. I say what the hay, i'll play one more hand. Everyone was fine with it, so i look down to two red 6's. I was first to act so i make a small raise, just enough to get some people out of the hand, you know, maybe just bully the big blind. So this guy i don't like calls my raise. Mind you he's an over aggressive **** and thinks that no one else is willing to risk their stack to play a hand against him. So flop comes 6 6 K. Hoping he caught that K, i check to him. He bets the pot, and i call. Turn card is a nothing, and again i check to him. He bets the pot again and i call. River is an A, and at this point i'm hoping he caught either the K or the A or both. I wasn't gonna be willing to risk checking to him again and not getting anything out of him, so i bet out, and after a while he pushes all in. I insta-called him and showed him the nuts. He was kinda in disbelief, and i was laughing my ass off inside.

I left that night extremely happy. Not so much because of the money, but because i completely pwned that tool.

jayceheathman · 01-28-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MetSox17

I have a story similar to dj's.

I was playing at a home cash game, and i had, for the most part, cleaned the table up. I bought in with 15, and i was leaving with 65. Well there was this one guy who i really don't like at all, he's extremely annoying and he thinks he's the greatest player lyke everz. So after i drop his stack below the table average, he buys in for 45 more dollars. I'm telling everyone i'm leaving already, and i'm stacking up my chips so i can count them to leave, thing is, dealer dealt me a hand. I say what the hay, i'll play one more hand. Everyone was fine with it, so i look down to two red 6's. I was first to act so i make a small raise, just enough to get some people out of the hand, you know, maybe just bully the big blind. So this guy i don't like calls my raise. Mind you he's an over aggressive **** and thinks that no one else is willing to risk their stack to play a hand against him. So flop comes 6 6 K. Hoping he caught that K, i check to him. He bets the pot, and i call. Turn card is a nothing, and again i check to him. He bets the pot again and i call. River is an A, and at this point i'm hoping he caught either the K or the A or both. I wasn't gonna be willing to risk checking to him again and not getting anything out of him, so i bet out, and after a while he pushes all in. I insta-called him and showed him the nuts. He was kinda in disbelief, and i was laughing my ass off inside.

I left that night extremely happy. Not so much because of the money, but because i completely pwned that tool.

What did the other guy have? I have been getting unluckly the last few months so I have taken a little break from poker. I have got into betting on games and Hollywood award shows. I won $121 on the Golden Globes. :)

MetSox17 · 01-28-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jayceheathman

What did the other guy have? I have been getting unluckly the last few months so I have taken a little break from poker. I have got into betting on games and Hollywood award shows. I won $121 on the Golden Globes. :)

Big Slick.

Also, i'd prefer to play poker as a form of gambling over pretty much anything else. I was thinking to myself that i could make a business out of insuring poker hands.

bsaza2358 · 01-29-2009, 09:08 AM

I'm contemplating ending my Full Tilt account over rake back. For those of you who currently play for money online, rake back is a program that you sign up for that refunds a portion (23-33%) of the money raked at cash tables (and often tournaments). Cake Poker does a 33% rake back, while Full Tilt does 27%. The trick is that Full Tilt doesn't give rake back for players who signed up without it. I went to www.raketherake.com and tried to get my account registered for rake back, but FT is pretty stingy about offering it to existing players. If I'm not getting it, I'm going to switch away.

Essentially, if you use rake back and are a break-even player, you still earn extra money to add to your roll. Obviously, the higher stakes and more hands you see, the better the rake back. The beauty of many of these programs is that you get a portion of the table rake. So, if you just sit and fold, you get an equal share of the rake from every hand you're dealt. Tournaments are less profitable in this way because you only get a portion of the entry fee (so 27% of every dollar in fees goes back to your rake back).

If you're signing up now to play online for money, definitely sign up through a rake site. It's worth it. If you're already playing, try to get on a program. It's a big deal.

derza222 · 01-29-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bsaza2358

I'm contemplating ending my Full Tilt account over rake back. For those of you who currently play for money online, rake back is a program that you sign up for that refunds a portion (23-33%) of the money raked at cash tables (and often tournaments). Cake Poker does a 33% rake back, while Full Tilt does 27%. The trick is that Full Tilt doesn't give rake back for players who signed up without it. I went to www.raketherake.com and tried to get my account registered for rake back, but FT is pretty stingy about offering it to existing players. If I'm not getting it, I'm going to switch away.

Essentially, if you use rake back and are a break-even player, you still earn extra money to add to your roll. Obviously, the higher stakes and more hands you see, the better the rake back. The beauty of many of these programs is that you get a portion of the table rake. So, if you just sit and fold, you get an equal share of the rake from every hand you're dealt. Tournaments are less profitable in this way because you only get a portion of the entry fee (so 27% of every dollar in fees goes back to your rake back).

If you're signing up now to play online for money, definitely sign up through a rake site. It's worth it. If you're already playing, try to get on a program. It's a big deal.

Check out www.thisisthenuts.com also at least for comparison, not sure if it's better but TITN works for me. Rakeback is definitely awesome though, especially for people that play consistently. Some friends of mine use it for high-stakes cash games where they play 16 tables at a time and the rakeback is huge they make a ton of money off of it. There's really no reason to play online without using a rakeback site, there's absolutely no downside.

bsaza2358 · 01-29-2009, 10:59 AM

I'm a low limit grinder. Trying to turn $100 into a real roll. Started off with $2 SNG's, and I'm up to $5 now. Also play some 5/10 cent NLHE (usually capped). I estimate I've missed out on $75-100 in rakeback over the last 4-5 months, even at those low stakes.

djp · 02-06-2009, 01:49 AM

I'm watching this episode of PAD and Patrik Antonius is just a badass.

That is one guy who is not afraid to throw the chips around with any 2 cards

MetSox17 · 02-06-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by djp

I'm watching this episode of PAD and Patrik Antonius is just a badass.

That is one guy who is not afraid to throw the chips around with any 2 cards

I had all the episodes DVRd and i deleted them recently because i didn't think anyone interesting was playing.

bsaza2358 · 02-06-2009, 10:21 AM

If it's a high stakes game with top pros, it is usually interesting. I happen to think they should just make it a cash game and capitalize on that. High Stakes Poker is a vastly superior product to PAD, IMO.

bsaza2358 · 02-06-2009, 10:22 AM

Speaking of which, new episodes of High Stakes are back 3/1. I'm pretty damn excited.

MetSox17 · 02-06-2009, 10:23 AM

I agree that they should turn it into a cash game. They have pretty much every other concept of the cash game outside of straight blinds and winner take all.

There was a week where they did host a cash game, and all the top pros went to play. That was an awesome week.

bsaza2358 · 02-06-2009, 10:29 AM

Yes, it was also widely watched and enjoyed by the masses. Stupid that they don't do it more often.

Borat · 02-06-2009, 10:32 AM

Cash games are much better for TV than tournaments. With tournaments, it's just "showdown" poker usually with just 2 players, one of them all-in. It becomes kind of lame at that point. Cash games have the huge advantage that you can really watch and study the way they play hands. It's just a much more pure form of poker and that translates much better to television.

MetSox17 · 02-06-2009, 10:33 AM

Yeah, i'm getting a little tired of the themes they try to do with their crappy 6-man tournament. Phil Ivey needs to play a lot more often. I'm tired of seeing Mike Matusow get pwned.

djp · 02-06-2009, 12:04 PM

This week is a cash game

Kaplan, Antonius, Lederer, Elezra, Brunson, and Tiller

Good stuff.

bsaza2358 · 02-06-2009, 12:50 PM

I like it quite a bit. I wish they had better commentary on PAD, but again, that's why I prefer Kaplan and HSP.

djp · 02-06-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bsaza2358

I like it quite a bit. I wish they had better commentary on PAD, but again, that's why I prefer Kaplan and HSP.

I enjoy the limited commentary.. gives you a better feel of how the players are going about themselves.. for example there was a hand Monday where Tiller bluffed Lederer and showed it, then he said something like "let me win this one and I'll win the next one" and Lederer folded and Tiller showed.

Then a couple nights later (I realize they just play it consecutively and the show is broken up into pieces), Tiller had a boat on the flop said the same thing during a hand with Elezra because he knew Elezra had heard him say his line earlier, but Elezra didn't bite and folded his hand after some major preflop raising going on.

Then they had like a 3-4 minute talk on why that should have worked etc etc

I just thought it was interesting.

djp · 05-24-2009, 02:43 PM

nvm figured it out