Browns looking to deal Quinn and Edwards

[BaLLiN]

Originally Posted by WinslowBodden

I can only read so much of stuff I don't agree with, and based on your comments about Braylon they are pretty negative on how he didn't play that good isn't worth very much blah blah blah.

It would be like me saying Mathias Kiwanuka isnt a good tackler doesnt have good value and really isnt that important but me wanting to trade for him.

i said he didnt have a great year, he wasnt in shape due to the foot injury. The only negativity was his attitude.

Kiwanuka isnt a great tackler he's just a very athletic passrusher. He's what you guys wanted in wimbley basically so..

[BaLLiN]

Originally Posted by scottyboy

good thing the Giants aren't idiots and won't give up a 1st and 3rd or Kiwi...

thank you, finally scotty

[WinslowBodden]

Originally Posted by BaLLiN72

i said he didnt have a great year, he wasnt in shape due to the foot injury. The only negativity was his attitude.

Kiwanuka isnt a great tackler he's just a very athletic passrusher. He's what Romeo Crennel wanted in wimbley basically so..

We will see man, I dont mean to sound like a jerk in this argument at all so don't take anything personal. If there's a trade and we get a first and 5th you can say told ya so.

[BaLLiN]

Originally Posted by WinslowBodden

We will see man, I dont mean to sound like a jerk in this argument at all so don't take anything personal. If there's a trade and we get a first and 5th you can say told ya so.

im not going to say that, if that happens itd just be ridiculously bad for you guys.

a first and a 4th is a balanced deal, maybe a conditional next year (4th or 5th) but thatd be pretty much even IMO

[yeats]

the browns should get rid of quinn, this whole qb battle nonsense is gonna mess with the eventual starter. trade one, get something out of it and move on. doesnt matter though, they'll have a top 3 pick next year.

usually when a team is the same color as your ****, they arent gonna be too good

[BaLLiN]

Originally Posted by yeats

usually when a team is the same color as your ****, they arent gonna be too good

lol well put, i wouldnt want my **** to come out orange

[kalbears13]

Originally Posted by yeats

the browns should get rid of quinn, this whole qb battle nonsense is gonna mess with the eventual starter. trade one, get something out of it and move on. doesnt matter though, they'll have a top 3 pick next year.

usually when a team is the same color as your ****, they arent gonna be too good

Why not trade Derek Anderson?

I'm okay with somebody saying the Browns will have a top 3 pick if you use solid reasoning. But when you use the color of the jerseys it kind of kills your argument. Especially since the "Cleveland Browns jerseys looking like ****" joke is not original at all.

[yeats]

Originally Posted by kalbears13

Why not trade Derek Anderson?

I'm okay with somebody saying the Browns will have a top 3 pick if you use solid reasoning. But when you use the color of the jerseys it kind of kills your argument. Especially since the "Cleveland Browns jerseys looking like ****" joke is not original at all.

1. they're trading away their main core of players.
2. this will lead to a lot of rookies stepping in and playing.
3. they cant stop the run
4. their best player is pissed off (shaun rogers)
5. two unproven qb's (andersons 2007 seasonw as overrated)
6. no running game
7. plus they have a new coaching staff, the players have to adapt to everything.
8. absolutely zero pass rush
9. no receivers, besides butterfingers

also what value will you get for anderson and his 08 season, nothing.
i could keep going but this gets old

[WinslowBodden]

Originally Posted by yeats

1. they're trading away their main core of players.

You mean Kellen Winslow was the whole core?

2. this will lead to a lot of rookies stepping in and playing.

Thats always a good thing...

3. they cant stop the run

So they can't get a draft pick for Anderson?

4. their best player WAS pissed off (shaun rogers)

5. two unproven qb's (andersons 2007 seasonw as overrated)

2007 season overrated? No... maybe he outperformed himself but he isn't as bad as it looked in 2008.

6. no running game

Once again you could trade Anderson and get a draft pick to get a RB if you want or use one of our 3 picks in the top 50 for it...

7. plus they have a new coaching staff, the players have to adapt to everything.

And Anderson doesn't have to adapt to this? I mean come on your argument is supposed to be Quinn vs. Anderson

8. absolutely zero pass rush

Cool, so you trade away what could be a better QB to keep "Anderson who is overrated"

9. no receivers, besides butterfingers

Once again, wtf does this have to do with quinn/anderson

also what value will you get for anderson and his 08 season, nothing.
i could keep going but this gets old

I am sure Anderson could fetch a mid to late second round pick or early third...

If Quinn is gonna be good why the hell would you trade him?

I am pro-anderson, but I still don't understand the logic of someone who thinks that Quinn is better saying to trade him...

Its basically saying "We have a garbage backup at this spot but we will trade him to get a player to fill another need, leaving a hole at that spot.

[Lokie]

1. they're trading away their main core of players.
I don't know that Winslow was the main core. To be honest I don't even consider Edwards to be part of our main core. Either way within the next 2 years I don't think Edwards is a Brown.

If the Browns start trade Joe Thomas, Shaun Rodgers, Josh Cribbs, Eric Steinbach, and Eric Wright, yeah I'll agree they have traded away the core. Even if the Browns trade Quinn (which I doubt) and Edwards it will be in no way or shape trading away the core of the team.

2. this will lead to a lot of rookies stepping in and playing.
Who says? If we trade Quinn Anderson would be the foreseeable QB and we can both agree he isn't a rookie. At WR, depending on the trade we could get a WR back who is experienced, honestly, though I would prefer Crabtree. To be honest I don't think you can find many teams that wouldn't want Crabtree on the field. If we draft linebackers we already have David Bowens, D'Qwell Jackson, Kamerion Wimbley, and Eric Barton..hardly a rookie group. If we draft a Secondary player with have experience there too. To be honest it really isn't that rare for 3-4 rookies per team to get a bunch of playing time. To be honest at this point can you guarantee that the Browns will be playing more rookies than any other team?
3. they cant stop the run
Yep completely agree with this, but if we get draft picks for Quinn and Edwards wouldn't this potentially help this situation.
4. their best player is pissed off (shaun rogers)
To be honest Rogers is coming to the voluntary workouts and has been told to play at whatever weight got him to the pro-bowl. IMO I think this situation has blown over.
5. two unproven qb's (andersons 2007 seasonw as overrated)
2 is better than 1 guess ;) Miami and Atlanta had questions about their QB situation before the draft too.
6. no running game
Really a team that rushes for no yards....That's gotta be a record...Jamal Lewis still had over a 1000 yards last year for your information while playing with 4 different starting QB's two of which with 3rd/Emergency QBs. To be honest we have one of in not the best LT in the game right now and starting LG isn't that bad either. If we can draft a center (maybe Mack in round 2) I see the O-line being the strength of the team.
7. plus they have a new coaching staff, the players have to adapt to everything.
So does 5 or 6 other teams.
8. absolutely zero pass rush
Agreed but with a new defensive coordinator and if we draft someone like Orakpo...etc our pass rush could significantly improve..No where to go but up right
9. no receivers, besides butterfingers
If Edwards is focused (a big if) and we draft Crabtree we could have a deadly set of pass catchers.

To me personally the value of Anderson is no higher than a 3rd but most likely a 4th-6th.

Honestly you can't honestly believe judging a team before the draft is in anyway accurate...Christ who would thought that Miami, Zona, and Falcons would be picking in the 20's or later? I bet you no one thought Seattle would have a top 5 pick either. At least let the draft pass before you start judging teams.

[wicket]

I just read that the 49ers offered their first rounder for quinn. I cant give any links or something like that but it is on the ND rivals board.
Dont know what to think of it out of a browns perspective. From the niners its prolly a better move than hoping that sanchez falls to you in the draft.

[3pac]

Originally Posted by wicket

I just read that the 49ers offered their first rounder for quinn. I cant give any links or something like that but it is on the ND rivals board.
Dont know what to think of it out of a browns perspective. From the niners its prolly a better move than hoping that sanchez falls to you in the draft.

Oh man, I hope this happens. I love Quinn, I love the direction the 49ers are going in, and I'd love to see Quinn carry on the great tradition of amazing 49er quarterbacks. Awesommmmmmmmmmmmmmmme.

[wonderbredd24]

Originally Posted by wicket

I just read that the 49ers offered their first rounder for quinn. I cant give any links or something like that but it is on the ND rivals board.
Dont know what to think of it out of a browns perspective. From the niners its prolly a better move than hoping that sanchez falls to you in the draft.

Unless the Browns are content to start Derek Anderson (I really hope not), they'd effectively be trading Quinn for Sanchez straight up, which is incredibly stupid if you ask me.

Quinn has a better contract and already 2 years in the league.

[3pac]

Originally Posted by wicket

I just read that the 49ers offered their first rounder for quinn. I cant give any links or something like that but it is on the ND rivals board.
Dont know what to think of it out of a browns perspective. From the niners its prolly a better move than hoping that sanchez falls to you in the draft.

Also, just to help your credibility, the ND Rivals board got it from ESPN Insider. So this isn't just some silly fan speculation.

[Chief49er]

Originally Posted by 3pac

Also, just to help your credibility, the ND Rivals board got it from ESPN Insider. So this isn't just some silly fan speculation.

That was all a stupid rumor, the 49ers already shot down that idea.

[ironman4579]

Originally Posted by Lokie

1. they're trading away their main core of players.
I don't know that Winslow was the main core. To be honest I don't even consider Edwards to be part of our main core. Either way within the next 2 years I don't think Edwards is a Brown.

If the Browns start trade Joe Thomas, Shaun Rodgers, Josh Cribbs, Eric Steinbach, and Eric Wright, yeah I'll agree they have traded away the core. Even if the Browns trade Quinn (which I doubt) and Edwards it will be in no way or shape trading away the core of the team.

2. this will lead to a lot of rookies stepping in and playing.
Who says? If we trade Quinn Anderson would be the foreseeable QB and we can both agree he isn't a rookie. At WR, depending on the trade we could get a WR back who is experienced, honestly, though I would prefer Crabtree. To be honest I don't think you can find many teams that wouldn't want Crabtree on the field. If we draft linebackers we already have David Bowens, D'Qwell Jackson, Kamerion Wimbley, and Eric Barton..hardly a rookie group. If we draft a Secondary player with have experience there too. To be honest it really isn't that rare for 3-4 rookies per team to get a bunch of playing time. To be honest at this point can you guarantee that the Browns will be playing more rookies than any other team?
3. they cant stop the run
Yep completely agree with this, but if we get draft picks for Quinn and Edwards wouldn't this potentially help this situation.
4. their best player is pissed off (shaun rogers)
To be honest Rogers is coming to the voluntary workouts and has been told to play at whatever weight got him to the pro-bowl. IMO I think this situation has blown over.
5. two unproven qb's (andersons 2007 seasonw as overrated)
2 is better than 1 guess ;) Miami and Atlanta had questions about their QB situation before the draft too.
6. no running game
Really a team that rushes for no yards....That's gotta be a record...Jamal Lewis still had over a 1000 yards last year for your information while playing with 4 different starting QB's two of which with 3rd/Emergency QBs. To be honest we have one of in not the best LT in the game right now and starting LG isn't that bad either. If we can draft a center (maybe Mack in round 2) I see the O-line being the strength of the team.
7. plus they have a new coaching staff, the players have to adapt to everything.
So does 5 or 6 other teams.
8. absolutely zero pass rush
Agreed but with a new defensive coordinator and if we draft someone like Orakpo...etc our pass rush could significantly improve..No where to go but up right
9. no receivers, besides butterfingers
If Edwards is focused (a big if) and we draft Crabtree we could have a deadly set of pass catchers.

To me personally the value of Anderson is no higher than a 3rd but most likely a 4th-6th.

Honestly you can't honestly believe judging a team before the draft is in anyway accurate...Christ who would thought that Miami, Zona, and Falcons would be picking in the 20's or later? I bet you no one thought Seattle would have a top 5 pick either. At least let the draft pass before you start judging teams.

It kind of makes me laugh that you don't consider Winslow or Edwards core players, yet have Eric Wright (who has been good, but not great and inconsistent), and Josh Cribbs (great return man, nothing else) as core players. It's really quite funny actually.

[3pac]

Originally Posted by Chief49er

That was all a stupid rumor, the 49ers already shot down that idea.

Well duh, why would they want to telegraph that? That means nothing. Not to mention that their FO has been incredibly tight lipped this offseason. I'm not saying it'll happen, but that's not much evidence to say it won't.

[fear the elf]

Originally Posted by ironman4579

It kind of makes me laugh that you don't consider Winslow or Edwards core players, yet have Eric Wright (who has been good, but not great and inconsistent), and Josh Cribbs (great return man, nothing else) as core players. It's really quite funny actually.

i don't think it's that ridiculous. i wouldn't include eric wright in the list, but cribbs i would count as core. i consider core as something you can build around and a big part of that is attitude. cribbs wants to be a brown, plus he is pretty much a special teams ace, being a great kickoff and punt returner along with being one of the best coverage guys in the league.

as far as edwards and winslow being core guys... again, i half agree. winslow wasn't someone to build around b/c as many browns fans have said, he was/is playing on borrowed time with that knee and his attitude was questionable as far as wanting to be here (although i would never question his heart), but with edwards, he is still young and a top lvl wr if he can get back to 07 form. i think he is feeling unwanted right now, but he has shown a desire to be a part of the browns, just look at the charity work he was doing for cleveland before this past year. there would just need to be some repair of the relationship between him and the fans.

[BaLLiN]

the best thing for you guys would be to trade down.

[wonderbredd24]

Originally Posted by BaLLiN72

the best thing for you guys would be to trade down.

Short of getting Curry at 5, trading down is ideal whether it's a team trading up for Crabtree, Raji, or Sanchez

[Flippityskip91]

Originally Posted by wonderbredd24

Short of getting Curry at 5, trading down is ideal whether it's a team trading up for Crabtree, Raji, or Sanchez

Tradin down would make it the best day ever! However, I just don't see anyone moving up to 5...unless we're going to take less value to move down, and I'm not big on losing value when it comes to the draft.

[BaLLiN]

Originally Posted by wonderbredd24

Short of getting Curry at 5, trading down is ideal whether it's a team trading up for Crabtree, Raji, or Sanchez

idk why but i feel like the jets would for either crabs or sanchez. netting you a 2nd and 4th comensation. then if you make the braylon trade, this is what you could land.

1a. (trade down probably pick up a second and maybe 4th from jets) Rey Maualuga
1b. Darius Heyward-Bey
2a. Alphonso Smith
2b. Larry English
2c. LeSean McCoy
4. (trade up with 6th into 3rd) Ramses Barden
4b. James Casey
4c. Kyle Moore

[ironman4579]

Originally Posted by fear the elf

i don't think it's that ridiculous. i wouldn't include eric wright in the list, but cribbs i would count as core. i consider core as something you can build around and a big part of that is attitude. cribbs wants to be a brown, plus he is pretty much a special teams ace, being a great kickoff and punt returner along with being one of the best coverage guys in the league.

as far as edwards and winslow being core guys... again, i half agree. winslow wasn't someone to build around b/c as many browns fans have said, he was/is playing on borrowed time with that knee and his attitude was questionable as far as wanting to be here (although i would never question his heart), but with edwards, he is still young and a top lvl wr if he can get back to 07 form. i think he is feeling unwanted right now, but he has shown a desire to be a part of the browns, just look at the charity work he was doing for cleveland before this past year. there would just need to be some repair of the relationship between him and the fans.

Meh, I consider core guys as guys that you can build around, as well as guys who want to be there and be leaders. I'm not sure I consider a special teams ace a guy you can build around. I agree that Winslow was on borrowed time. My point was actually not that Cribbs and Wright weren't core guys. It was that calling those guys core guys but not Edwards and, to a lesser extent because of the injuries, Winslow, sounds somewhat silly.

[Lokie]

Edwards isn't a core guy, cause he doesn't want to be in Cleveland. Core guys are people who wan to be in Cleveland and have the talent to be good-great players.

Winslow wasn't a core guy as his knees wore torn up and he was a problem child.

[ironman4579]

Originally Posted by Lokie

Edwards isn't a core guy, cause he doesn't want to be in Cleveland. Core guys are people who wan to be in Cleveland and have the talent to be good-great players.

Winslow wasn't a core guy as his knees wore torn up and he was a problem child.

Then I really wouldn't consider Cribbs a core guy. Yes, he's a very good, maybe great special teamer, but he'd never going to be a #1 receiver or a guy that makes any significant impact other than on special teams.

I'd also say that at this point, you have no clue whether Cribbs, Wright, Thomas etc want to be in Cleveland. Just because they've never publically said anything doesn't mean they won't bolt as soon as they hit free agency.