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Old 04-13-2009, 12:23 AM    (permalink
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Where will this behemoth of a talent go in this draft?
How will he project in the pros?

Let's play a game.
1)Predict where he will be taken.
2)Predict his ideal position.
3)Predict if he will be a bust or pro-bowler
4)Other predictions here are warranted.

I'll start.
1)Middle of the 1st round
2)4-3 DE
3)Pro-Bowler, at least 3+ 10 sack seasons.
4)I think he will live up to his potential only with the right team.
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Old 04-13-2009, 12:33 AM    (permalink
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End of 1st round/Beginning of 2nd
4-3 DE
All-Pro DE
This is random- 4 time pro bowler
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I see Michael Johnson going between picks 13 and 40. I say pick#13 because I could see the Skins reaching to pick him if the top OTs are off the board, (Monroe, jason Smith, Oher, Andre Smith).

He has the talent to be the best defensive player in the draft and I easily see him playing for more than ten years in the league if he can avoid injuries.
What Michael Johnson needs to improve most is his effort/aggression level on every play. Some players rise to their level of competition, others fold.

The only real question I have about him is whether or not he will take the challenge upon himself to not only be a good player in the NFL, but to be great.

I have a hard time envisioning him as anything less than productive in the pros because the kid's father is an ex-Marine and was probably on his a@@ to be be disciplined and accountable his entire life.

IF he's used strictly as a 4-3 DE and included on a team that has a great interior presence, I see Johnson becoming a force, and if he doesn't develop into a 10 + sack a season DE, I would consider his career something of a disappointment.

For instance, with the Skins signing Albert Haynesworth, Johnson would have a great opportunity to crash the pocket from the outside unimpeded and be the trigger man for the SKins pass rush.

He could also be like the Falcons DE Jamaal Anderson and be invisible on DE, (unfortunately, personality-wise, the seem very similar), or he could become the next great DE from the ACC in the mold of Peppers and Mario Williams.
IF a team needs a 4-3 DE with huge upside and the ability to provide consistent pressure off the edge, he's a great value at any pick after #21.

EDIT: Minimum 3 Pro Bowls.
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2nd Round
DE in a 4-3
Not a Pro Bowler, but not a bust either.

I think he could play good in a 3-4 as well.
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Old 04-13-2009, 12:59 AM    (permalink
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4-3 DE
Good player, maybe a few pro bowls
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2nd round
4-3 defensive end
1-2 pro bowl(s), his contract year(s)

I see him as a guy who at the beginning of his career puts up 4-8 sack seasons and come his contract year he breaks out for 12-16 sacks and a pro bowl. He then signs a big contract and gets a good reputation. He really starts taking pride in his game and starts producing nice(not spectacular) seasons the rest of his career and makes another pro bowl of his rep.

Fair assessment? I'm not high on this guys character at all :)
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He'll go at the top of the 2nd and his best fit is probably as a 4-3 DE imo. I don't think he'll be a crazy out of this world type player but he'll be decent to good for his career. Never a superstar but always someone you can count on to be consistent.
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Middle of the second round
4-3 DE
Never develops after he has a monster year as his rookie contract expires and then once he get's paid proceeds to recede to mediocrity as teams learn how to handle his immense talent since he still won't have learned how to use his hands because he just doesn't really care about football.
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late 2nd round
3-4 OLB
back up few seasons, average guy
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Old 04-13-2009, 03:12 AM    (permalink
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I see Michael Johnson going between picks 13 and 40. I say pick#13 because I could see the Skins reaching to pick him if the top OTs are off the board, (Monroe, jason Smith, Oher, Andre Smith).

He has the talent to be the best defensive player in the draft and I easily see him playing for more than ten years in the league if he can avoid injuries.
What Michael Johnson needs to improve most is his effort/aggression level on every play. Some players rise to their level of competition, others fold.

The only real question I have about him is whether or not he will take the challenge upon himself to not only be a good player in the NFL, but to be great.

I have a hard time envisioning him as anything less than productive in the pros because the kid's father is an ex-Marine and was probably on his a@@ to be be disciplined and accountable his entire life.

IF he's used strictly as a 4-3 DE and included on a team that has a great interior presence, I see Johnson becoming a force, and if he doesn't develop into a 10 + sack a season DE, I would consider his career something of a disappointment.

For instance, with the Skins signing Albert Haynesworth, Johnson would have a great opportunity to crash the pocket from the outside unimpeded and be the trigger man for the SKins pass rush.

He could also be like the Falcons DE Jamaal Anderson and be invisible on DE, (unfortunately, personality-wise, the seem very similar), or he could become the next great DE from the ACC in the mold of Peppers and Mario Williams.
IF a team needs a 4-3 DE with huge upside and the ability to provide consistent pressure off the edge, he's a great value at any pick after #21.

EDIT: Minimum 3 Pro Bowls.
I really don't see how that is relevant at all. My dad was in the marines and I'm a lazy ****. We have no idea what his father-son relationship is at all. That's just useless fluff.
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If a player references his father's military background and how it impacted his personal and athletic development, ( read: Tiger Woods) then it's significant.

My point basically is the kid isn't lazy.

You're screen name, yourfavestoner explains why you might have a difference of a opinion.

Weed trumps military discipline on most days.

Besides my opinion was about the analysis of a NFL prospect, why would you bring your personal experience of how living under a military household didn't do sh@t for you?
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i can really see the titans taking him, he fits our scheme perfectly
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Yeah, I could see him becoming a Titan too.

Jeff Fisher runs the type of program that would max out the abilities of a guy like Michael Johnson.
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Middle second round
He's a second rounder IMO
I think he's going to be a bust and make no pro bowls
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He's a second rounder IMO
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glad to see you got faith in the guy :)
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I think he has as much upside as anybody in this draft and his production is being overlooked. He is a 4-3 d.e. only in my book so the 3-4 teams will likely pass him which hurts with all the conversions. He could be a very solid 285 pounds in his prime so he starts off as a r.e. but could move to l.e. with the added weight.

I think he could go as high as #11 to the bills if orakpo and brown are gone and no lower than #30 to the titans....will probably end up somewhere in between like washington, t.b., detriot, or atlanta.
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1) Early to mid 2nd round
2) 3-4 OLB (he does better without a big O-lineman being able to grab him right away, he's tall but skinny, will have a hard time packing on much more muscle)
3) Below average for 2-3 years, above average for next 10-years

Guess: maybe 1 or 2 pro bowls if he gets lucky with sacks

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Obviously a big fan. I think he will go late first or very early second. 3 Pro Bowls. Couple of big years sack wise, and always hovering around 10.
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If a player references his father's military background and how it impacted his personal and athletic development, ( read: Tiger Woods) then it's significant.

My point basically is the kid isn't lazy.

You're screen name, yourfavestoner explains why you might have a difference of a opinion.

Weed trumps military discipline on most days.

Besides my opinion was about the analysis of a NFL prospect, why would you bring your personal experience of how living under a military household didn't do sh@t for you?
He's not lazy he just doesn't like playing football. That's why you only see him try once or twice a series. I get Eddy Curry vibes from Michael Johnson and that's why I think he'll be a bust.
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He has the tools. It is just up to him and so hard he wants to work and how bad he wants it.
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I love Michael Johnson... would love for the Packers to trade up and nab him in late round 1. That's where I see him going...to Tennessee to be specific.
I think his ideal position is 43 DE but the transition to 34 OLB wouldn't be difficult.
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