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Old 04-18-2009, 11:00 AM    (permalink
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I have a starting CB opposite Clements as our biggest need with RT second and an ILB to replace Spikes third.

With Haralson being extended and Lawson hopefully being 100% healthy, I think that we'll have a much better pass rush. The only thing that would prevent that would be injuries and/or Manusky not blitzing/rushing our linebackers. Spikes had a good season but drafting an ILB to replace him in 2010 should be a higher priority than a pass rushing OLB in my opinion.

With the signing of RT Marvel Smith, I dont think the RT that we draft will start from day one. I think he'll be a backup. I would rather wait a year to get a starter and draft a RT on the second day for depth.

CB is the position that worries me the most because after Clements, it looks okay at best. Harris is old, Spencer hasnt become the CB I was hoping he would be and is coming off an injury, Brown has the most potential but it remains to be seen if he can start opposite Clements for a full season and Hudson is a backup at best.

And the Broncos had a private workout with QB Mark Sanchez. I really hope he falls to us and we can get Denver to give up both first rounders. I'll be so damn happy. For Denver, they would get their "franchise" QB and still have an extra first rounder next year plus the other draft picks and Orton acquired in the Cutler trade. Honestly, I think that DEN will trade both 12 and 18 but to move up as high as possible to draft Sanchez.
A number two CB is like a number 2 WR. It is not a big enough priority to warrant a first round pick unless your team is stacked.
And the niners are not, so there is no way CB is that big of a need
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I did my best to draw up four different Mock scenarios. All of these scenarios are based upon these 9 players being drafted before the 49ers select at #10...

Matthew Stafford - QB - Georgia
Mark Sanchez - QB - USC
Eugene Monroe - OT - Virginia
Jason Smith - OT - Baylor
Andre Smith - OT - Alabama
Michael Crabtree - WR - Texas Tech
B.J. Raji - DT - Boston College
Brian Orakpo - DE - Texas
Aaron Curry - LB - Wake Forest

Those are the 9 players I feel have the greatest chance to be drafted 1-9.

My mocks were developed using whom I believe to be the best available players at #10.

I drafted 8 players in each mock based on what I believe the top-8 positions of need for the 49ers.

The positions I selected were (in no particular order) - QB - RB - WR - OT - TE - OLB - ILB - CB

NT is an exception but I only feel that position is a priority if Raji is still available.

Each mock has a different position selected in each round. I didn't want to have the same position targeted in the same rounds because this would give a better indication as to the players I like at these positions with varying stock value.

I allowed the final pick in each mock to be BPA because it allows for flexibility.


1. Aaron Maybin - OLB - Penn State
2. Darius Butler - CB - Connecticut
3. Andre Brown - RB - North Carolina State
4. TJ Lang - OT - Eastern Michigan
5. Brandon Gibson - WR - Washington State
5. Nate Davis - QB - Ball State
6. Frantz Joseph - ILB - Florida Atlantic
7. Bear Pascoe - TE - Fresno State
7. BPA

1. Michael Oher - OT - Mississippi
2. Lawrence Sidbury - OLB - Richmond
3. Stephen McGee - QB - Texas A&M
4. Anthony Hill - TE - North Carolina State
5. Scott McKillop - ILB - Pittsburgh
5. Greg Toler - CB - St. Paul's College
6. Dominique Edison - WR - Stephen F. Austin
7. Arian Foster - RB - Tennessee
7. BPA

1. Malcolm Jenkins - CB - Ohio State
2. Shonn Greene - RB - Iowa
3. Jasper Brinkley - ILB - South Carolina
4. Mike Wallace - WR - Arizona
5. Sebastian Vollmer - OT - Houston
5. Dan Gronkowski - TE - Maryland
6. Henry Melton - OLB - Texas
7. Mike Reilly - QB - Central Washington
7. BPA

1. Jeremy Maclin - WR - Missouri
2. Phil Loadholt - OT - Oklahoma
3. Richard Quinn - TE - North Carolina
4. Hunter Cantwell - QB - Louisville
5. Javarris Williams - RB - Tennessee State
5. Phillip Hunt - OLB - Houston
6. Don Carey - CB - Norfolk State
7. Worrell Williams - ILB - California
7. BPA

Players that I really like at Positions not addressed who should be available on Day 2

Offense

Fullback

Tony Fiammetta - Syracuse - Grade: 5
Quinn Johnson - LSU - Grade: 6
Frank Summers - UNLV - Grade: 7


Guard

Kraig Urbik - Wisconsin - Grade: 3
Roger Allen - Missouri Western - Grade: 5
Cornelius Lewis - Tennessee State - Grade: 6


Center

Antoine Caldwell - Alabama - Grade: 3
Edwin Williams - Maryland - Grade: 5
Robby Felix - UTEP - Grade: 6


Defense

Nose Tackle

Dorell Scott - Clemson - Grade: 4
Chris Baker - Hampton - Grade: 5
Terrance Knighton - Temple - Grade: 7


Defensive End

Kyle Moore - USC - Grade: 4
Pannel Egboh - Stanford - Grade: 6
Nader Abdallah - Ohio State - Grade: 7


Free Safety

Darcel McBath - Texas Tech - Grade: 3
Chris Clemons - Clemson - Grade: 4
Derek Pegues - Mississippi State - Grade: 5


Strong Safety

Chip Vaughn - Wake Forest - Grade: 2 (He could be available in Round 3)
Courtney Greene - Rutgers - Grade: 5
Stephen Hodge - TCU - Grade: 6


Late Round or Priority FA Sleepers that I love...

Tyrell Fenroy - RB - Louisiana-Lafayette
Dudley Guice - WR - Northwestern State
Eron Riley - WR - Duke
Pierre Walters - OLB - Eastern Illinois
Lee Robinson - ILB - Alcorn State
Dan Skuta - OLB - Grand Valley State
Joe Burnett IS A BEAST- CB - Central Florida
Mark Parson - CB - Ohio
I like the first mock the best.
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CB is a need. But we only recorded 30 sacks last season...and gave up 55! A better passrush helps the secondary. A good offensive line gives us a better offense and assures we don't have an exhausted defense. I would rather spend our first two picks on the trenches than anywhere else.

We should take an OT in round one, like Oher or Smith. He might not start right away, but would take over at LT sooner or later.

An OLB is needed early as well I think. I'm still not convinced Lawson or Haralson are the answers. After those two there is Jay Moore and Ahmed Brooks, or as I refer to them as "a lack of depth."

Clements is better than people give him credit for. Harris led the team in passes deflected last season. He can still play. Terrell Brown is a good nickle. Marcus Hudson isn't bad depth and Shantae Spencer should still warrant a roster spot.

Say we take Jenkins, Butler or Smith, I don't think any of them start either...
We gave up 55 sacks but 32 of them were because of crappy Sullivan and Martz. We gave up 9 sacks less once Hill was the starter. The only negative was RT and with the signing of Marvel Smith, that position is set for 2009 as long as he stays healthy. If SF was thinking OT at 10, they wouldnt have signed Smith. I think that our offense will be better as long as Hill starts the season as opposed to starting in Nov or Dec and once again showing that he should be the starter.

DL wise, I wouldnt draft a DT/NT until rounds 4-7 because we have Sopo/Franklin at NT with Smith and Balmer at DE. Balmer better start so we can see what he has and people wonder why I would have drafted FS Kenny Phillips last year instead but oh well, whats done is done.

I wouldnt complain about Oher at all but I dont really care for Smith and either way, they would be playing RT because Staley seemed more comfortable at LT than he did at RT and moving him back and forth will only mess up his confidence and next thing you know, you're screwed and not in a good way. Either way, I would keep Staley at LT period.

I'll admit im a Lawson fanboy but he wasnt 100% healthy last year and he's been so misused thus far that its just sad. I wasnt convinced about Haralson until I saw that he had 8 sacks in 8 starts. Thats pretty damn good. Also, both are young. Haralson just turned 25 while Lawson will turn 25 in July. Moore has been injured since he was drafted and I dont see him making the team. I keep Brooks as a backup LB in general but I would draft a backup OLB between rounds 4-7 for depth as opposed to replacing Lawson or Haralson.

ILB is a bigger need because while Spikes played good for us last year, he's 32 years old and who knows how much he has left. Drafting an ILB within the first three rounds to replace Spikes in a year or two is more important than drafting an OLB who might not start anyway in my opinion.

Clements is a shutdown CB but after him, im not confident at all. I would draft Jenkins at 10 if he's there but only if the teams views him as a day one starter opposite Clements which I do. With the signing of Smith, extension given to Haralson and bringing back Spikes, starter wise, CB is the biggest need.
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A number two CB is like a number 2 WR. It is not a big enough priority to warrant a first round pick unless your team is stacked.
And the niners are not, so there is no way CB is that big of a need
Considering teams that had a good number two WR (like the Bengals for example) are looking to draft a WR in the top ten, a second starting CB in the top ten is needed because after all, you're going to need that second starting CB to defend the second starting WR. Look at the Cardinals, if they keep Boldin, we obviously need that second CB dont we???

Look at it this way, compare the positions -

RT - We have Marvel Smith who we just signed to a two year deal.
OLB - We have Lawson for three more years and extended Haralson.
ILB - We re-signed Spikes to a two year deal.
CB - Harris will be 35 in August and while Brown and Hudson may be good nickel and dime backs, neither are starting quality as of now so instead of taking a gamble on Harris, you take the gamble on the rookie who has a much bigger upside.

I dont think we draft a pass rushing OLB at 10 because we have two players who are (or will be) 25 years old and drafting an OLB at 10 would make him compete and what happens if he doesnt beat out Lawson or Haralson? You just wasted the 10th overall draft pick on a backup.

Drafting an ILB is more important than OLB because we'll need someone to replace the 32 year old Spikes where as I dont see two 25 year olds being replaced in the near future anyway.

RT wise, we could draft Oher but if he sits on the bench for a year, what's the point? Mine as well wait a year and draft a stater in 2010. RT is more important than OLB because Smith is a veteran and will need to be replaced (like Spikes at ILB), but drafting an OT later on or next year is a smarter move because he's not going to be the starter anyway uness Smith gets injured.

When you look at RT Marvel Smith (31 in August), ILB Takeo Spikes (33 in December) and CB Walt Harris (35 in August), its Harris who's the oldest and the most likely to be replaced first. Besides, if we were going to draft a RT, OLB and even an ILB at 10, we wouldnt have signed Smith, extended Haralson or re-signed Spikes.

We'll just have to wait and see. Just over a week to go. :)

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We gave up 55 sacks but 32 of them were because of crappy Sullivan and Martz. We gave up 9 sacks less once Hill was the starter. The only negative was RT and with the signing of Marvel Smith, that position is set for 2009 as long as he stays healthy. If SF was thinking OT at 10, they wouldnt have signed Smith. I think that our offense will be better as long as Hill starts the season as opposed to starting in Nov or Dec and once again showing that he should be the starter.

DL wise, I wouldnt draft a DT/NT until rounds 4-7 because we have Sopo/Franklin at NT with Smith and Balmer at DE. Balmer better start so we can see what he has and people wonder why I would have drafted FS Kenny Phillips last year instead but oh well, whats done is done.

I wouldnt complain about Oher at all but I dont really care for Smith and either way, they would be playing RT because Staley seemed more comfortable at LT than he did at RT and moving him back and forth will only mess up his confidence and next thing you know, you're screwed and not in a good way. Either way, I would keep Staley at LT period.

I'll admit im a Lawson fanboy but he wasnt 100% healthy last year and he's been so misused thus far that its just sad. I wasnt convinced about Haralson until I saw that he had 8 sacks in 8 starts. Thats pretty damn good. Also, both are young. Haralson just turned 25 while Lawson will turn 25 in July. Moore has been injured since he was drafted and I dont see him making the team. I keep Brooks as a backup LB in general but I would draft a backup OLB between rounds 4-7 for depth as opposed to replacing Lawson or Haralson.

ILB is a bigger need because while Spikes played good for us last year, he's 32 years old and who knows how much he has left. Drafting an ILB within the first three rounds to replace Spikes in a year or two is more important than drafting an OLB who might not start anyway in my opinion.

Clements is a shutdown CB but after him, im not confident at all. I would draft Jenkins at 10 if he's there but only if the teams views him as a day one starter opposite Clements which I do. With the signing of Smith, extension given to Haralson and bringing back Spikes, starter wise, CB is the biggest need.
Couple things to say in response to this:

1. Even if you take Hills 9 games and project the sacks given up throughout the year we still give up 40. JTO and the 7 step drops caused some sacks, but it was also our Oline.

2. Direct quote "if Smith can stay healthy," which is very questionable. Thats why his contract is incentive laden.

3. Staley was way more comfortable at RT than he was at LT. If we take Oher or Smith at 10, they are the future LT or at least that is the intent.

4. You can be a Lawson and Haralso fanboy all you want. the point is I'm much more confident about Walt Harris, Terrell Brown and Shawntae Spencer than I am about Manny Lawson, Parys "the coverage sack" Haralson, Jay Moore and Ahmed Brooks. Not only do we need depth, but we need someone to compete, because neither of these players have put consistent pressure on opposing QBs. We haven't had a player record double digit sacks since Andre Carter. Its time to take a premium pass rusher.

5. ILB is a need, I agree. But I think drafting an OLB allows us to shift Brooks over to a more natural ILB position as well.

I think CB and ILB are middle round needs.
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Staley is going to stay at left tackle no matter who we draft, even if Monroe or Jason Smith somehow falls. He didn't allow one sack after O'Sullivan was pulled last year and looked like a Pro Bowl LT by the end of the season.
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Staley is staying at LT no matter what end of conversation about that. Smith was signed in case we couldn't land one of the top offensive lineman. He wasn't signed so that we had an excuse not to take a top lineman.

Also don't forget last year we were targeting Dwayne Brown in the draft last year, which means we have been wanting to upgrade the RT position for more than a year now. If a top blocker falls to us you better believe we are taking him.
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Staley is staying at LT no matter what end of conversation about that. Smith was signed in case we couldn't land one of the top offensive lineman. He wasn't signed so that we had an excuse not to take a top lineman.
I wouldn't be so sure of that:

Singletary from his combine interview with Maoicco:

Q: Would you consider moving Joe Staley back to right tackle if you pick up a player better suited to play left tackle?

Singletary: I think it's going to come down to whether we get something in free agency or get something in the draft that will cause us to sit down and figure out how we can find the right spots for our guys. With Joe, I don't know if that's going to be right tackle or left tackle. We'll figure all that out.

Mcloughan's comment from his combine interview:

Q: Is Joe Staley set at left tackle or is there an accomplished left tackle out there that would allow you to move Staley to the right side?

McCloughan: From our standpoint it's great that we have Joe Staley. As a first-year player, played every snap at right tackle; last year he took every snap at left tackle. If we can get better and move Joe Staley to the right side, then we've improved the offensive line quite a bit. If that's possible, I'd love to do it. I know this - with Joe Staley being out starting left tackle, we can win a lot football games with him.

Seems to me that decision hasn't been made yet. I think Oher would be a better LT than Staley. Smith would be for sure. Seems we will have to wait on this one.
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I think Oher would be a better LT than Staley. Smith would be for sure. Seems we will have to wait on this one.
I'm going to agree with that statement, but I can't help feel that signing Smith was a clue that we will target Defense in the first round.
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I'm going to agree with that statement, but I can't help feel that signing Smith was a clue that we will target Defense in the first round.
I've had that thought myself. But you could say the same thing about the Haralson resigning.

I think the Smith signing also might have been in response to the fear that none of the top four OTs may be there.

If Oher is there and Raji and Crabtree aren't then I think he represents the best value.
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It would be stupid to move him back to RT again.
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It would be stupid to move him back to RT again.
1. I'm glad you give such great warrants to your claims.

2. I'm not saying they will. I'm saying if they draft Oher or Smith and find him better able to cover the blind side than Staley (which is somewhat likely in the next two years), then they would move Staley back to RT.

3. It would also be stupid to have your RT getting $20 over the next 5 years vs. your LT getting $8 million over his first five. You just don't draft an RT in the top ten. This would be a pick to play LT in the future. The first round is all about value.

4. There is a good argument to be made that Oher and Smith are better OTs than Staley. It would be dumb not to switch them if that was the case.

5. Staley has experience on the right side, where he actually played better than when he was on the left side. Oher for example really has played on the left side prominently in his career.

6. The front office has stated one of the things they like about Staley is that he is able to play the left or right side. The move shouldn't bother him much.

Either way it will be up to the front office. All in all having two LTs is a good problem to have :D
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Oher and Smith's best attributes are their physicality in the run game. That fits best on the Right side... and it wouldn't effect the continuity developed between Staley and Baas. Continuity that has been lacking on the OL for 6 years, is one of the main reasons the line has played poorly. The #1 key element to a successful offensive line in continuity and teamwork, two things you can't build if 2/3 of the line is different every year for almost a decade.
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Oher and Smith's best attributes are their physicality in the run game. That fits best on the Right side... and it wouldn't effect the continuity developed between Staley and Baas. Continuity that has been lacking on the OL for 6 years, is one of the main reasons the line has played poorly. The #1 key element to a successful offensive line in continuity and teamwork, two things you can't build if 2/3 of the line is different every year for almost a decade.
Oher didn't give up a sack last season in the SEC and Smith was considered a candidate to be the number one overall pick in the draft before his character concerns hurt his value.

Smith and Oher are considered excellent run blockers, but they are also excellent pass blockers. You put your best OT on the blind side. Enough said.

That continuity argument could be used against the addition of every offensive lineman the niners get.

Example: the niners should start Snyder or Simms over Marvel Smith at RT because the line will have better continuity and the teamwork is more natural. BS!

Continuity is good. But I would rather have the best players in the best spots.

If Oher or Smith prove to be better OTs than Staley, they should move over to the LT spot. I don't understand how you guys disagree with that.
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I argue it because continuity doesn't mean anything if you have a terrible hole on the line. The addition of a new right tackle eliminates that hole. If you put a rookie at LT and move Staley to RT you've now changed the relationship of FOUR linemen instead of two. Joe Staley is a better LT than Jonas Jennings but Staley started on the right side. I understand that if a player is OBVIOUSLY better than he should be on the left but there's nothing for certain that they are at this point. Let them start their careers on the right side first before messing with the continuity.

I have no problem with Oher or Andre Smith playing on the left side if it works but what's to say it wouldn't work better with them on the right side, especially considering McSings emphasis on a power running attack where a bruising RT is essential?
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Considering teams that had a good number two WR (like the Bengals for example) are looking to draft a WR in the top ten, a second starting CB in the top ten is needed because after all, you're going to need that second starting CB to defend the second starting WR. Look at the Cardinals, if they keep Boldin, we obviously need that second CB dont we???

Look at it this way, compare the positions -

RT - We have Marvel Smith who we just signed to a two year deal.
OLB - We have Lawson for three more years and extended Haralson.
ILB - We re-signed Spikes to a two year deal.
CB - Harris will be 35 in August and while Brown and Hudson may be good nickel and dime backs, neither are starting quality as of now so instead of taking a gamble on Harris, you take the gamble on the rookie who has a much bigger upside.

I dont think we draft a pass rushing OLB at 10 because we have two players who are (or will be) 25 years old and drafting an OLB at 10 would make him compete and what happens if he doesnt beat out Lawson or Haralson? You just wasted the 10th overall draft pick on a backup.

Drafting an ILB is more important than OLB because we'll need someone to replace the 32 year old Spikes where as I dont see two 25 year olds being replaced in the near future anyway.

RT wise, we could draft Oher but if he sits on the bench for a year, what's the point? Mine as well wait a year and draft a stater in 2010. RT is more important than OLB because Smith is a veteran and will need to be replaced (like Spikes at ILB), but drafting an OT later on or next year is a smarter move because he's not going to be the starter anyway uness Smith gets injured.

When you look at RT Marvel Smith (31 in August), ILB Takeo Spikes (33 in December) and CB Walt Harris (35 in August), its Harris who's the oldest and the most likely to be replaced first. Besides, if we were going to draft a RT, OLB and even an ILB at 10, we wouldnt have signed Smith, extended Haralson or re-signed Spikes.

We'll just have to wait and see. Just over a week to go. :)
Not true, you resign guys either when they are good or you are not sure you can replace them and right now we can not afford to be cutting decent players. If you remember when we drafted P Willis I think we had just signed Brandon Moore to a contract and D Smith was still on the team.

I just do not agree with a first round CB, any other round is fine.

Last year, I went to the 49ers and Dolphins game and the niners didnt have Gore and their offense struggled a lot. Remember it? It seemed like their whole gameplan was based on stopping Miami's pass rush. They were running short routes all day. At one point they ran an out route to Bruce three times in a row, and it worked! At that point I was sure that a RT would make a major addition. Even Merideth in the 2nd round

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I argue it because continuity doesn't mean anything if you have a terrible hole on the line. The addition of a new right tackle eliminates that hole. If you put a rookie at LT and move Staley to RT you've now changed the relationship of FOUR linemen instead of two. Joe Staley is a better LT than Jonas Jennings but Staley started on the right side. I understand that if a player is OBVIOUSLY better than he should be on the left but there's nothing for certain that they are at this point. Let them start their careers on the right side first before messing with the continuity.

I have no problem with Oher or Andre Smith playing on the left side if it works but what's to say it wouldn't work better with them on the right side, especially considering McSings emphasis on a power running attack where a bruising RT is essential?
Look at my posts. I never once advocate to start Oher/Smith as a rookie. I said sooner or later they would replace Staley. As long as they don't bust. If they develop as planned Oher and Smith should be much better players than Staley.

Of course I wouldn't expect them to take the LT spot right away. Two years after being drafted I would expect whoever we pick at ten (if they're an OT) to be starting on the blind side.
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1. I'm glad you give such great warrants to your claims.

2. I'm not saying they will. I'm saying if they draft Oher or Smith and find him better able to cover the blind side than Staley (which is somewhat likely in the next two years), then they would move Staley back to RT.

3. It would also be stupid to have your RT getting $20 over the next 5 years vs. your LT getting $8 million over his first five. You just don't draft an RT in the top ten. This would be a pick to play LT in the future. The first round is all about value.

4. There is a good argument to be made that Oher and Smith are better OTs than Staley. It would be dumb not to switch them if that was the case.

5. Staley has experience on the right side, where he actually played better than when he was on the left side. Oher for example really has played on the left side prominently in his career.

6. The front office has stated one of the things they like about Staley is that he is able to play the left or right side. The move shouldn't bother him much.

Either way it will be up to the front office. All in all having two LTs is a good problem to have :D
Why would you not have that much money invested in both your tackles? After QB they are the next most important part of the offense.
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Oher didn't give up a sack last season in the SEC and Smith was considered a candidate to be the number one overall pick in the draft before his character concerns hurt his value.

Smith and Oher are considered excellent run blockers, but they are also excellent pass blockers. You put your best OT on the blind side. Enough said.

That continuity argument could be used against the addition of every offensive lineman the niners get.

Example: the niners should start Snyder or Simms over Marvel Smith at RT because the line will have better continuity and the teamwork is more natural. BS!

Continuity is good. But I would rather have the best players in the best spots.

If Oher or Smith prove to be better OTs than Staley, they should move over to the LT spot. I don't understand how you guys disagree with that.
Typically your best run blocker goes on the right side. Joe is a solid run blocker, but a much better pass blocker. Oher and Smith are all far better run blockers therefore they would play on the right.
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Why would you not have that much money invested in both your tackles? After QB they are the next most important part of the offense.
Point is we will be paying Oher/Smith a lot more than Staley.
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Typically your best run blocker goes on the right side. Joe is a solid run blocker, but a much better pass blocker. Oher and Smith are all far better run blockers therefore they would play on the right.
Michael Oher is a terrific pass blocker as well. If you think he is just a "far better run blocker," then maybe you should go check him out a bit more.

Orlando Pace, Walter Jones, Jake Long and Jonathon Ogden were/are all excellent run blockers as well. Ogden and Long being examples from other power running style offenses.

The better OT, no matter their strengths, should protect the blind side.

Staley should stay at LT for another year if we draft Michael Oher. But if Oher plays to the level he is capable of, then I don't see any reason not to move him to the left side sooner or later.

If I wanted a future RT, I would wait till rounds 2 or 3 to take one... If I'm drafting a tackle in the top ten then I want a stud LT.
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If Malcolm Jenkins is no longer considered a very good CB prospect by many because he ran a 4.5,what does that say about DJ Moore's 4.6?

I don't understand the Vikings deal. Who would want Sims and Spurlock and why would the 49ers want another H-Back style TE?

I'd like Cody Brown if he weren't still so significantly underweight for a 3-4 OLB.

I don't value Sammie Stroughter anywhere near a 4th rounder but that's probably just a differing of opinion. He also doesn't fit McCloughan's profile of 6' 200lb.

I don't know how a QB like Pat White fits into Singletary's "physical" style. But I can't be mad at you getting a QB who many like at this point in the draft.

Oher, Jennings, Joseph and Pascoe are all great picks at positions of need.

Which Tight End gets cut? Pascoe or Mills?
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Smith was signed in case we couldn't land one of the top offensive lineman. He wasn't signed so that we had an excuse not to take a top lineman.
I'm not so sure about this. I have a hard time believing that all 4 will be off the board by pick 10. Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe yeah and possibly even Andre Smith, but I'm pretty sure Oher will be there at 10. I think they signed Marvel so they can go a different direction at 10. I dont think a team should draft a RT in the top 10, unless your QB is left handed, but that is just my opinion.

I think that with the signing of Marvel we are now looking to target a future potential starting RT between rounds 3-5.
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If I wanted a future RT, I would wait till rounds 2 or 3 to take one... If I'm drafting a tackle in the top ten then I want a stud LT.
Agreed. Maybe even later if you are looking at "future RT" and not "starting RT".
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