San Francisco 49ers Discussion - Page 132

Madirishman · 04-30-2009, 11:46 PM

Niners offically sign LB Harris. Decent production for backup last year in SD.

http://www.nfl.com/players/marquesha...e?id=HAR477095

CJSchneider · 05-01-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by LizardState

The 9ers could pkg. their 2 no. 1s next yr. to move up to get Mays or Berry, the way everybody's all gaga over either of them, one of them could be the top player taken.

I think the odds are greater of Mays having an average to slightly above year and slipping at tad bit are better then him studding it out again and ending up in the top 5. We may be in the perfect area to have him fall right in our laps.

chapo123 · 05-01-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Borat

I absolutely love Mark Herzlich. Just a badass playmaker from the OLB position. Would love to add him to the D.

i saw a clip on him online...he's quite the trash talker. the mean streak helps as well.

chapo123 · 05-01-2009, 09:37 AM

scotty mac:
i'm going to get a lot of critism here but i feel like he stratgey in the draft is very inconsitent compared to what he says they are looking for. has he gone on record yet and said anything why he didn't take a ot? de? oher was sitting there late in the 20's...why not package a 2nd & 4th to take him? some of his picks the last few seasons to me haven't panned out.

Brent · 05-01-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by chapo123

scotty mac:
i'm going to get a lot of critism here but i feel like he stratgey in the draft is very inconsitent compared to what he says they are looking for. has he gone on record yet and said anything why he didn't take a ot? de? oher was sitting there late in the 20's...why not package a 2nd & 4th to take him? some of his picks the last few seasons to me haven't panned out.

It seems his philosophy is look in FA for needs and BPA in the draft.

Madirishman · 05-01-2009, 10:12 AM

I'm hoping Cody Wallace pans out. He was the surprise pick to me in last year's draft in the 4th when there was a lot of talent left on the board. He's one guy that will be a head scratcher if he can't contribute.

king2am · 05-01-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by chapo123

scotty mac:
i'm going to get a lot of critism here but i feel like he stratgey in the draft is very inconsitent compared to what he says they are looking for. has he gone on record yet and said anything why he didn't take a ot? de? oher was sitting there late in the 20's...why not package a 2nd & 4th to take him? some of his picks the last few seasons to me haven't panned out.

Actually, I don't know if i've ever heard him say we're targetting such and such position. I only hear him say "we're looking to draft good football players". So, by that vague statement, he can't ever really be wrong by not going in a position that we feel is a need.

As far as moving up to get Oher, it all depends on our board at the time. For instance, we moved up to get Staley because our FO only graded 21 or so players with a first round grade. They saw him slip, and decided to go get him. I imagine we still had a number of players with similar grades to Oher and that's why we felt comfortable standing pat. But then, like they said, the players they were targetting went off the board shortly before we picked, Alphonso Smith, Ron Brace, Eben Britton maybe?

And I personally believe Mac sticks to his board, so if he doesn't like it, then he trades out. If he needs it, he trades up. But like I said, I would imagine a number of guys had a similar grade to Oher, or maybe we were okay with keeping picks, hoping Britton would fall.

But as far as what he says vs. what he does, I don't think he's inconsisent. I think he's too vague to be inconsistent, but to be fair, I think all general managers and coaches are like that. Exception: Mike Singletary

YAYareaRB · 05-01-2009, 11:39 AM

You know it's very possible to draft Eric Berry AND Taylor Mays.

Madirishman · 05-01-2009, 11:46 AM

It might be worth giving Carolina their 1st Round pick back.

Peppers a no-show at Panthers camp
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4121570

They drafted Brown to replace him. He is a special player, that is a proven Pro Bowler. If the Niners are looking to upgrade OLB, keeping Parys as a situational pass rusher, then Peppers is the way to go. They have the cap room and the ammo to trade, so why not make the move?

abaddon41_80 · 05-01-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Madirishman

It might be worth giving Carolina their 1st Round pick back.

Peppers a no-show at Panthers camp
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4121570

They drafted Brown to replace him. He is a special player, that is a proven Pro Bowler. If the Niners are looking to upgrade OLB, keeping Parys as a situational pass rusher, then Peppers is the way to go. They have the cap room and the ammo to trade, so why not make the move?

Peppers-Spikes-Willis-Lawson = best starting linebacker corps in the league, imo

YAYareaRB · 05-01-2009, 12:10 PM

Uhhhhh.. I have a little problem. We knock OSACKpo for not being able to cover TEs and RBs yet we haven't seen Peppers do it. I'm not saying he's not capable of doing so I'm just saying.

CJSchneider · 05-01-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent

It seems his philosophy is look in FA for needs and BPA in the draft.

That works great...if you are playing Madden Football.

Brent · 05-01-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CJSchneider

That works great...if you are playing Madden Football.

FA starters: Nate Clements, Justin Smith, Walt Harris, Takeo Spikes, Michael Lewis, Issac Bruce, Shaun Hill, Marvel Smith.

Seems to work.

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Originally Posted by YAYareaRB

You know it's very possible to draft Eric Berry AND Taylor Mays.

YAYareaRB · 05-01-2009, 01:13 PM

We DO need another Corner though.

New Corner - Eric Berry - Taylor Mays - Nate Clements

Forgive the bulge in my pants.

Madirishman · 05-01-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by YAYareaRB

Uhhhhh.. I have a little problem. We knock OSACKpo for not being able to cover TEs and RBs yet we haven't seen Peppers do it. I'm not saying he's not capable of doing so I'm just saying.

Bro, Peppers and O-Sack-po aren't even on the same planet when it comes to talent. I know you love him (and I was very high on him as well) but Orakpo has a long way to go to compare to Peppers.

Peppers is a extremely rare talent - A workout warrior that CAN play football as well at a very high level and has been consistently dominant throughout his career. He is a game changer and therefore he is easily worth a chunk of cash and a first round pick in a trade. He has played in coverage, and because of his speed and rare athletic ability for a player his size (remember he played Basketball at UNC as well), I think he would be a DOMINANT OLB and would demand double teams constantly. He's a home run player if he can be landed.

king2am · 05-01-2009, 02:39 PM

That is a STEAL in my opinion. We'd be getting Peppers for a 2nd and 4th.

stl9erfan · 05-01-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent

Mike Sando is incapable of talking about any thing other than how great Seattle is.

He really does seem to be biased in that direction doesn't he? I think the best thing for him (and all of us) would be if they really sucked hardcore for the next few years so we could stop hearing about this dynasty that never was.

Madirishman · 05-01-2009, 03:03 PM

I think he's worth a 5 or 6 year deal averaging around 10-12 Mil per year. I'm NOT big on trading a high pick AND signing him to a deal beating Haynesworth's contract (which he may want). I only hope that he would take elite money for a pass rusher and be happy, while being welcomed to a team that desperately needs him to rush the passer as a 3-4 OLB.

With the current situation (His contract killing the Panthers cap, them drafting a possible replacement, their need to get a higher draft pick back, etc.) this isn't a pipe dream. It's a real scenario that I would LOVE to see play out.

king2am · 05-01-2009, 04:38 PM

nice article on Scotty Mac

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

chapo123 · 05-01-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by king2am

Actually, I don't know if i've ever heard him say we're targetting such and such position. I only hear him say "we're looking to draft good football players". So, by that vague statement, he can't ever really be wrong by not going in a position that we feel is a need.

As far as moving up to get Oher, it all depends on our board at the time. For instance, we moved up to get Staley because our FO only graded 21 or so players with a first round grade. They saw him slip, and decided to go get him. I imagine we still had a number of players with similar grades to Oher and that's why we felt comfortable standing pat. But then, like they said, the players they were targetting went off the board shortly before we picked, Alphonso Smith, Ron Brace, Eben Britton maybe?

And I personally believe Mac sticks to his board, so if he doesn't like it, then he trades out. If he needs it, he trades up. But like I said, I would imagine a number of guys had a similar grade to Oher, or maybe we were okay with keeping picks, hoping Britton would fall.

But as far as what he says vs. what he does, I don't think he's inconsisent. I think he's too vague to be inconsistent, but to be fair, I think all general managers and coaches are like that. Exception: Mike Singletary

see my issue is not so much what he believes in but it could be his tunnel vision. once his mind is set on 1 guy its been sold to the coaching staff. the crabtree pick to me was his boldest move to date to me. oher / britton/ darius butler / clint simtim / everette brown made tons of sense in the 2nd to me.

Borat · 05-01-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Madirishman

I think he's worth a 5 or 6 year deal averaging around 10-12 Mil per year. I'm NOT big on trading a high pick AND signing him to a deal beating Haynesworth's contract (which he may want). I only hope that he would take elite money for a pass rusher and be happy, while being welcomed to a team that desperately needs him to rush the passer as a 3-4 OLB.

With the current situation (His contract killing the Panthers cap, them drafting a possible replacement, their need to get a higher draft pick back, etc.) this isn't a pipe dream. It's a real scenario that I would LOVE to see play out.

OK, I soooo wanted to sit here and say, "yes, this is a pipe dream," but one thing sticks out which is telling me that there is a real possibility of acquiring Peppers. It's the fact that we dealt the 2nd AND the 4th in that deal for the future first. Normally, a mid-2nd is worth a future first straight up. Nobody can actually trade for Peppers until he signs his tender. So it could be possible that we dealt the 2nd AND 4th picks in exchange for Peppers and the future 1st is kind of like collateral while the contract details are worked out. Then we send the 1st back in trade for Peppers once everything is worked out. It's probably a long shot, but it would make sense.

Madirishman · 05-01-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Borat

OK, I soooo wanted to sit here and say, "yes, this is a pipe dream," but one thing sticks out which is telling me that there is a real possibility of acquiring Peppers. It's the fact that we dealt the 2nd AND the 4th in that deal for the future first. Normally, a mid-2nd is worth a future first straight up. Nobody can actually trade for Peppers until he signs his tender. So it could be possible that we dealt the 2nd AND 4th picks in exchange for Peppers and the future 1st is kind of like collateral while the contract details are worked out. Then we send the 1st back in trade for Peppers once everything is worked out. It's probably a long shot, but it would make sense.

So you're sayin there's a chance?! :)

Brent · 05-01-2009, 08:47 PM

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs...es/021998.html

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Cal linebacker Worrell Williams was at camp today on a try-out basis. Williams, however, is hurt and did not work out. No word yet on the injury.

I know how some of you love Worrell.

Brent · 05-01-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Madirishman

So you're sayin there's a chance?! :)

Had to be done.

49ersfan_87 · 05-01-2009, 09:03 PM

I don't think we will make a play for Peppers. He's 29 and is brand new to the 3-4 after playing the 4-3 for so long. Plus he's going to want a gigantic contract and i wonder how motivated he will be after he gets paid. Not to mention this whole thing started from a opinion provided by Matt Barrows.