San Francisco 49ers Discussion

[LizardState]

Rookie TE Bear Pascoe continues to impress as this yr's Josh Morgan, the surprise new weapon in the passing attack.

In the last OTAs before the 7-30 opening of training camp Pascoe is making the circus catches & wowing Jimmy Raye & HC Singletary. From this morning's San Jose Mercury News:

Rookie tight end Bear Pascoe made the play of the day, gathering a 20-yard lob from Smith despite smothering coverage from linebacker Jeff Ulbrich. Pascoe jumped and plucked the ball off Ulbrich's back. Upon seeing the catch, the linebacker slid to the turf in disbelief.

[LizardState]

http://www.mercurynews.com/sportshea...nclick_check=1

[WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?]

Some videos that aired on NFL Network yesterday:
Lifting with VD:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ.../Heavy-lifting
Running the Hill with Gore:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/san-franci...ng-for-success
Mike Martz breaking down Alex Smith:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/san-franci...-be-productive

[phlysac]

Watched them on NFL Total Access on Friday...

Martz said some very positive things about Alex Smith and Vernon Davis.

[49ersfan_87]

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs...-bloom-in.html

June thoughts from Barrows

The 49ers have worked on four-receiver package this past week. There are lots of passes between 20 and 40 yards. There's even a dash of razzle dazzle thrown in. And most important, they're making progress. Two weeks ago, I watched the offense run a series of ragged red-zone plays in which it could hardly complete a single pass. This past week, they ran the same plays and missed on only one pass.

Hopefully we can be explosive, I'm excited about our offensive personnel.

[Madirishman]

Greg Ellis just signed a 3 year deal to come to the bay.....to play with the Raiders. :/

Bad choice, Greg.

[dan77733]

Honestly, im happy that we didnt sign Ellis because I dont want Lawson and/or Haralson to compete for a starting spot.

Ellis will play DE in the Raiders 4-3 which quite honestly, I think he prefers compared to OLB in the 3-4.

[49ersfan_87]

Originally Posted by dan77733

Honestly, im happy that we didnt sign Ellis because I dont want Lawson and/or Haralson to compete for a starting spot.

Ellis will play DE in the Raiders 4-3 which quite honestly, I think he prefers compared to OLB in the 3-4.

I like Lawson and Haralson as starters but we have serious depth issues at OLB. But looks like Ellis wanted a starting gig in a 4-3, so nothing we could do there.

[thediggler3030]

Lol now that the Raiders signed Ellis I'm suddenly glad we didn't... I think its just because the Raider signed him, lol I mean, it can't be a good move.

[Madirishman]

Originally Posted by thediggler3030

Lol now that the Raiders signed Ellis I'm suddenly glad we didn't... I think its just because the Raider signed him, lol I mean, it can't be a good move.

It's not a good move because he's ancient in football years and they signed him to a multi-year deal in which I'm guessing they overpaid.

[d34ng3l021]

I have been reading that Bear Pascoe has been looking great in drills by making some spectacular catches. I was a fan of him before the draft and it looks like the 49ers got a steal in getting him during the 2nd day (6th round?). Its kind of funny that he may turn out to be better than the 6th overall pick at the same position.

Good stuff.

[phlysac]

Originally Posted by d34ng3l021

I have been reading that Bear Pascoe has been looking great in drills by making some spectacular catches. I was a fan of him before the draft and it looks like the 49ers got a steal in getting him during the 2nd day (6th round?). Its kind of funny that he may turn out to be better than the 6th overall pick at the same position.
Good stuff.

It is good news. However, if you've kept up with all of the training camp news you'd have read that Vernon Davis is perhaps the most impressive looking player on the 49ers offense this offseason.

[CJSchneider]

VD has looked great. Pascoe was a guy that Menardo and I drafted in the forum mock because of what we saw in him from looking for some day 2 talent. I love seeing him do well. Great character and a home-grown kid. I love it.

[dan77733]

Here's Matt Barrows projected depth chart -

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs...depth-cha.html

Here's my depth chart -

QB - Shaun Hill, Alex Smith, Damon Huard
RB - Frank Gore, Glen Coffee, Thomas Clayton
FB - Moran Norris, Michael Robinson
WR - Michael Crabtree, Josh Morgan, Jason Hill, Brandon Jones, Arnaz Battle, Dominique Zeigler
TE - Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Bear Pascoe, Brian Jennings (LS)
C - Eric Heitmann, Cody Wallace
OG - David Baas, Chilo Rachal, Tony Wragge, Joe Toledo
OT - Joe Staley, Marvel Smith, Adam Snyder, Barry Sims

DE - Justin Smith, Kentwan Balmer, Demetric Evans, Ray McDonald
NT - Isaac Sopoaga, Aubrayo Franklin, Ricky Jean-Francois
OLB - Manny Lawson, Parys Haralson, Marques Harris, Ahmad Brooks
ILB - Patrick Willis, Takeo Spikes, Jeff Ulbrich, Scott McKillop
CB - Nate Clements, Dre Bly, Tarrell Brown, Shawntae Spencer, Marcus Hudson, Allen Rossum (KR/PR)
SS - Michael Lewis, Reggie Smith
FS - Dashon Goldson, Curtis Taylor

K - Joe Nedney
P - Andy Lee

[BandwagonPunditry]

You have us cutting Bruce??

[49ersfan_87]

Originally Posted by dan77733

Here's Matt Barrows projected depth chart -

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs...depth-cha.html

Here's my depth chart -

QB - Shaun Hill, Alex Smith, Damon Huard
RB - Frank Gore, Glen Coffee, Thomas Clayton
FB - Moran Norris, Michael Robinson
WR - Michael Crabtree, Josh Morgan, Jason Hill, Brandon Jones, Arnaz Battle, Dominique Zeigler
TE - Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Bear Pascoe, Brian Jennings (LS)
C - Eric Heitmann, Cody Wallace
OG - David Baas, Chilo Rachal, Tony Wragge, Joe Toledo
OT - Joe Staley, Marvel Smith, Adam Snyder, Barry Sims

DE - Justin Smith, Kentwan Balmer, Demetric Evans, Ray McDonald
NT - Isaac Sopoaga, Aubrayo Franklin, Ricky Jean-Francois
OLB - Manny Lawson, Parys Haralson, Marques Harris, Ahmad Brooks
ILB - Patrick Willis, Takeo Spikes, Jeff Ulbrich, Scott McKillop
CB - Nate Clements, Dre Bly, Tarrell Brown, Shawntae Spencer, Marcus Hudson, Allen Rossum (KR/PR)
SS - Michael Lewis, Reggie Smith
FS - Dashon Goldson, Curtis Taylor

K - Joe Nedney
P - Andy Lee

Roman won't get cut. Goldson hasn't played well and he's injury prone to boot. Roman will be kept on because he's the only backup Safety with any experience.

I doubt we keep 6 WR's, and i doubt Battle or Ziegler make the cut. Battle gets released, Ziegler goes to the PS. Where's Bruce? Cut him or just forgot about him? He won't get cut, only way he isn't on the team if he does a surprise retirement or something.

[d34ng3l021]

Originally Posted by phlysac

It is good news. However, if you've kept up with all of the training camp news you'd have read that Vernon Davis is perhaps the most impressive looking player on the 49ers offense this offseason.

I have not kept up with all of TC news. Only blurbs from San Jose Mercury. It is good to see that Davis is doing better. I was a huge fan of him during the draft, but started to like him less and less as he was in the NFL.

[dan77733]

Yes, I do.

Personally, I was hoping he was going to retire instead of coming back because with Crabtree, Morgan, Hill and FA signee Jones, I dont want Bruce to take playing time away from the young guys. I want the young receivers to play and you'll notice that I have Battle 5th because he has one year left on his contract and I doubt that he'll be back and because of that, its time to phase him out in favor of the other guys.

One thing is for certain, Crabtree and Morgan better be the starters come opening day.

Roman sucks and has sucked since his days in Cincy. I dont care how little experience Goldson or Smith have, one of them better be the starter and the way they get experience is by playing, not by sitting on the bench behind a veteran who sucks. Personally, I think that Roman is worse than Roy Williams.

[49ersfan_87]

Originally Posted by dan77733

Yes, I do.

Personally, I was hoping he was going to retire instead of coming back because with Crabtree, Morgan, Hill and FA signee Jones, I dont want Bruce to take playing time away from the young guys. I want the young receivers to play and you'll notice that I have Battle 5th because he has one year left on his contract and I doubt that he'll be back and because of that, its time to phase him out in favor of the other guys.

One thing is for certain, Crabtree and Morgan better be the starters come opening day.

Roman sucks and has sucked since his days in Cincy. I dont care how little experience Goldson or Smith have, one of them better be the starter and the way they get experience is by playing, not by sitting on the bench behind a veteran who sucks. Personally, I think that Roman is worse than Roy Williams.

Roman does suck, but you have to look at it from the management's point of view. Your starter has been in the league for 2 years and missed 13 games. Your only backups are a 7th round pick (Taylor) and a 2008 3rd round pick (Smith) who saw no meaningful snaps whatsoever. Roman is the only backup who has played a meaningful defensive snap in his career, let alone started a game. I'd love it if we cut him, but he's a near lock IMO.

[LizardState]

This from the Barrows list. Except for Mark Roman getting released. Maybe wishful thinking here.

Projected Starters in bold, but Alex Smith, Coffee, Robinson, Battle, Bradford, Sheets, Brandon Jones, Sims, Snyder, Wragge, & Cody Wallace, Zielger will see the field on offense, & Ulbrich, Jean-Francois, Sapoaga & Michael Lewis on defense.

Yes, I'm thinking Hill will beat Smith out as the Wk. 1 starter vs. Zona, just a hunch.

I'm expecting a breakout yr. from Lawson & Davis, & a surprise yr. from Issac Bruce who still runs the prettiest pass patterns in the NFL. Watching him work is like watching an artist.


# Quarterback:

# Shaun Hill, Alex Smith, Damon Huard, Nate Davis

# Running back:

# Frank Gore, Glen Coffee, Michael Robinson, Thomas Clayton, Kory Sheets

# Fullback:

# Moran Norris, Zak Keasey, Michael Robinson - situational utility back

# Receiver(s, per situational sets) :

# Josh Morgan, Michael Crabtree, Arnaz Battle , Dominique Zeigler, Maurice Price, Mark Bradford

# Receiver:

# Isaac Bruce, Jason Hill, Brandon Jones, Michael Spurlock, Dobson Collins

# Left tackle:

# Joe Staley, Marvel Smith, Barry Sims, Adam Snyder

# Left guard:

# David Baas, Tony Wragge - (OL Swingman), Joe Toledo

# Center:

# Eric Heitmann, Cody Wallace

# Right guard:

# Chilo Rachal, Tony Wragge, Cody Wallace - (OL Swingman), Kyle Howard, Matthew Huners

# Right tackle:

# Marvel Smith, Adam Snyder, Alex Boone, Jacob Bender

# Tight end (Davis &/or Walker &/or Pascoe in 2-TE sets):

# Vernon Davis may be split wide also, Delanie Walker, Bear Pascoe, Joe Jon Finley

# Defense

# Left defensive end:

# Isaac Sopoaga, Kentwan Balmer, Ricky Jean-Francois, Pannel Egboh

# Nose tackle:

# Aubrayo Franklin, Isaac Sopoaga, Kentwan Balmer, Khalif Mitchell

# Right defensive end:

# Justin Smith, Demetric Evans, Ray McDonald

# "Mike" inside linebacker:

# Patrick Willis, Jeff Ulbrich (could back up both ILBs), Justin Roland

# "Ted" inside linebacker:

# Takeo Spikes, Scott McKillop, Mark Washington

# "Will" outside linebacker:

# Parys Haralson, Ahmad Brooks, Diyral Briggs

# "Sam" outside linebacker:

# Manny Lawson, Marques Harris, Jay Moore

# Cornerback:

# Nate Clements, Shawntae Spencer, Marcus Hudson, Carlos Thomas

# Cornerback:

# Dre' Bly, Tarell Brown, (Bly and Brown are tied), Terrail Lambert, Jahi Word-Daniels

# Strong safety:

# Michael Lewis, Reggie Smith, Lewis Baker

# Free safety:

# Dashon Goldson, Curtis Taylor

# Kicker:

# Joe Nedney largest kicker in the NFL at 6-4, 235, actually from this neighborhood in San Jose, SJSU alum
Alex Romero

# Punter:

# Andy Lee, Alex Romero

# Longsnapper:

# Brian Jennings, Scott McKillop

# Returner:

# Allen Rossum, Michael Spurlock, Brandon Jones

[phlysac]

Originally Posted by dan77733

Here's Matt Barrows projected depth chart -

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs...depth-cha.html

Here's my depth chart -

QB - Shaun Hill, Alex Smith, Damon Huard
RB - Frank Gore, Glen Coffee, Thomas Clayton
FB - Moran Norris, Michael Robinson
WR - Michael Crabtree, Josh Morgan, Jason Hill, Brandon Jones, Arnaz Battle, Dominique Zeigler
TE - Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Bear Pascoe, Brian Jennings (LS)
C - Eric Heitmann, Cody Wallace
OG - David Baas, Chilo Rachal, Tony Wragge, Joe Toledo
OT - Joe Staley, Marvel Smith, Adam Snyder, Barry Sims

DE - Justin Smith, Kentwan Balmer, Demetric Evans, Ray McDonald
NT - Isaac Sopoaga, Aubrayo Franklin, Ricky Jean-Francois
OLB - Manny Lawson, Parys Haralson, Marques Harris, Ahmad Brooks
ILB - Patrick Willis, Takeo Spikes, Jeff Ulbrich, Scott McKillop
CB - Nate Clements, Dre Bly, Tarrell Brown, Shawntae Spencer, Marcus Hudson, Allen Rossum (KR/PR)
SS - Michael Lewis, Reggie Smith
FS - Dashon Goldson, Curtis Taylor

K - Joe Nedney
P - Andy Lee

These are the players you have cut that I really hope stay property of the 49ers...

Nate Davis
Kory Sheets
Alex Boone

[LonghornsLegend]

I still expect Morgan to post at least 1000 receiving yards this year, can't wait to see how him and Crabtree look when their both fully developed...You guys may have to let some WR's go that have some potential, Ziegler has always caught my eye, and seems like a good developmental WR to grow within the system.


Morgan, Crabtree, and Hill in the slot makes alot of sense.

[49ersfan_87]

Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

I still expect Morgan to post at least 1000 receiving yards this year, can't wait to see how him and Crabtree look when their both fully developed...You guys may have to let some WR's go that have some potential, Ziegler has always caught my eye, and seems like a good developmental WR to grow within the system.


Morgan, Crabtree, and Hill in the slot makes alot of sense.

Yeah that lineup is what a lot of us fans want. But i don't think we'll see that until 2010.

I'll have to spread some rep before i can +rep for Morgan :D:D. He's been my pick for breakout niner for months.

[Fogcity_faithful]

hope we hold onto boone. drop huard and battle. i feel like we could do fine without them

[thediggler3030]

Originally Posted by dan77733

Here's Matt Barrows projected depth chart -

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs...depth-cha.html

Here's my depth chart -

QB - Shaun Hill, Alex Smith, Damon Huard
RB - Frank Gore, Glen Coffee, Thomas Clayton
FB - Moran Norris, Michael Robinson
WR - Michael Crabtree, Josh Morgan, Jason Hill, Brandon Jones, Arnaz Battle, Dominique Zeigler
TE - Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Bear Pascoe, Brian Jennings (LS)
C - Eric Heitmann, Cody Wallace
OG - David Baas, Chilo Rachal, Tony Wragge, Joe Toledo
OT - Joe Staley, Marvel Smith, Adam Snyder, Barry Sims

DE - Justin Smith, Kentwan Balmer, Demetric Evans, Ray McDonald
NT - Isaac Sopoaga, Aubrayo Franklin, Ricky Jean-Francois
OLB - Manny Lawson, Parys Haralson, Marques Harris, Ahmad Brooks
ILB - Patrick Willis, Takeo Spikes, Jeff Ulbrich, Scott McKillop
CB - Nate Clements, Dre Bly, Tarrell Brown, Shawntae Spencer, Marcus Hudson, Allen Rossum (KR/PR)
SS - Michael Lewis, Reggie Smith
FS - Dashon Goldson, Curtis Taylor

K - Joe Nedney
P - Andy Lee

That's 55 players... I would cut Zeigler and Toledo. Wallace or Snyder can be the 4th string OG. I would def exchange Battle with Bruce.

I would also like to see Boone beat out Sims, but I can see that going to Barry.

Balmer is def the third string NT...

Other than that I think this is possible.