San Francisco 49ers Discussion - Page 282

hawkeye123 · 12-06-2010, 10:31 PM

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No thanks to Clausen and/or McDaniels.

As for Harbaugh, anyone thinking that he may stay at Stanford because Luck will be staying?

Andrew Luck is staying?

king2am · 12-06-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?

Realize that Sing is coaching for his job but how much more will this playbook really be opened up? How many times have we said this season? After Raye was fired, after Alex got hurt, after Gore got hurt? At least with Troy in there he attempts to push the ball downfield. He has an anti-Singletary mindset and I like that about them.

I would be shocked if Alex doesn't have that same mindset.

I support this move, after a larger sampling of Troy I think it's clear that Alex is worlds better than he is. Maybe with the improved line play and all of the pressure off, Alex might be able to nicely audition himself for another team.

Madirishman · 12-06-2010, 11:02 PM

Alex and Troy are different players; almost opposites really.

Alex is more calculated, cerebral, taller and tight with a lot of his motions.

Troy is more of a natural leader, more mobile, and he plays more with his instinct than his head.

I'll not say they are 'worlds apart' but Alex is an overall better QB with more upside than Troy. However, Troy is a better leader, which does make it closer.

Ness · 12-06-2010, 11:17 PM

Alex is a a worse quarterback in my opinion. But it doesn't matter. The plus side is that the 49ers will probably lose more games and have a better overall selection. I certainly won't be rooting for them to lose, I'm just saying I would not be mind having a better pick.

49erNation85 · 12-06-2010, 11:22 PM

I see every one just got the news . SO do we even have a Chance at our next game vs Sea or even SD for that matter ? So if we lose this is Sign gone ? McD just got fired in Denver . I've been bummed out. I mean come on , we had the packers all game Sunday until the mid 3rd and just way they blow up our secondary like crap . Which QB do you guys feel would be fit out offense? I know we don't need a project guy like Newton . I think Mallet or Locker would have a fair chance . Both great arms and physical abilities . Here is a fun link to our end of the season boos .

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...in-the-saddle/

Ness · 12-07-2010, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Tebowfan85

I see every one just got the news . SO do we even have a Chance at our next game vs Sea or even SD for that matter ? So if we lose this is Sign gone ? McD just got fired in Denver . I've been bummed out. I mean come on , we had the packers all game Sunday until the mid 3rd and just way they blow up our secondary like crap . Which QB do you guys feel would be fit out offense? I know we don't need a project guy like Newton . I think Mallet or Locker would have a fair chance . Both great arms and physical abilities . Here is a fun link to our end of the season boos .

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...in-the-saddle/

Mike Singletary should be done anyways. This shouldn't be a question.

By the way I would not actually mind Newton.

edgrenade · 12-07-2010, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ness

Mike Singletary should be done anyways. This shouldn't be a question.

By the way I would not actually mind Newton.

after watching that last game against south carolina, i began to fall in love the thought of Newton being drafted by the niners. the throws that he can make are just beautiful to watch. The thing is, can he handle the mental side if the game, and can we take another 5 year setback at QB?

Ness · 12-07-2010, 01:16 AM

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after watching that last game against south carolina, i began to fall in love the thought of Newton being drafted by the niners. the throws that he can make are just beautiful to watch. The thing is, can he handle the mental side if the game, and can we take another 5 year setback at QB?

In all honesty, for me it doesn't matter at all who comes in at quarterback as long as the right coaching staff is in place to make whoever undercenter a megastar. I miss the days of Steve Young and Jeff Garcia and our offense being top five in the NFL. I want to score 30 points a game every Sunday. So whether it's a highly touted rookie, journeyman quarterback, or some free agent, I don't care. As long as they become one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. I think we need a good coaching staff though to acquire that "said" quarterback.

But if I had to be selfish I'd like to get Newton if Luck wasn't available.

binary · 12-07-2010, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ness

In all honesty, for me it doesn't matter at all who comes in at quarterback as long as the right coaching staff is in place to make whoever undercenter

This is the key to the entire offseason.

As for Alex starting, it makes sense from Sing's perspective, Alex is the better QB. Personally, I don't really care much. I think they should start Troy and if he isn't doing good then bring in Alex. The crowd is going to be worse than the Raider game for Alex.

txparkes49x · 12-11-2010, 02:11 PM

what if newton comes out, and there is a lockout. does that mean newton would practice? or would he be at home.

so basically im asking can we use the lockout as an advantage or is it all around gonna kill everyone, if it happens.

edgrenade · 12-12-2010, 03:22 AM

there would be no official work outs/ practices

(i'm pretty sure...)

Madirishman · 12-12-2010, 12:45 PM

The more I think about it, and more I believe that Carson Palmer will be the starting QB for the Niners next year, even if he's only a couple year stop-gab for a high draft pick (Locker, Newton, Mallet, etc.). I see them cleaning house in Cincy, with Marvin Lewis, Palmer, T.O., etc. all leaving after this year. Palmer, though he's never reached his perceived very high potential after his knee injury a few years back (hen he was the best young QB in the NFL), he has the experience and accuracy to use the weapons in Frisco more effectively than any QB we've had since Garcia. I also believe a return to playing in Cali would be refreshing for Palmer, who could experience a career year playing against the Rams, Seahawks and Cardinals defenses a couple times in better weather each year, as opposed to two games each with the Ravens, Steelers, and an up and coming Browns D. I believe if he's released or reasonably available via trade that the Niners should look at a game manager like him to help them get to the next level.

49erNation85 · 12-12-2010, 01:50 PM

NO thanks to Palmer coming to the 49ers unless he is a back up . We still need to draft a top quality QB like Locker or one of the later round QB maybe Stanzi ( sp ) If we go that way , we could beef up the D fence first two rounds and draft him in the third or second depending on how he does in the senior bowl etc. What you guys think about him?

Verloren · 12-12-2010, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tebowfan85

NO thanks to Palmer coming to the 49ers unless he is a back up . We still need to draft a top quality QB like Locker or one of the later round QB maybe Stanzi ( sp ) If we go that way , we could beef up the D fence first two rounds and draft him in the third or second depending on how he does in the senior bowl etc. What you guys think about him?

It's really hard to say. Considering the fact that we might take the NFC West and make playoffs, Singletary might end up staying. Or we could end up in a regime change, which will lead to a different drafting policy.

49ersfan_87 · 12-12-2010, 11:32 PM

Palmer has been bad for years and signed a huge contract extension worth $118 million that runs from 2005-2014. No thanks. The only guys that look worthy of being traded for are Orton (4th at best IMO) or Matt Flynn (5th or worse, and mainly if we sign their QB coach as our OC) and neither are long term starters. I would look into trading for Kolb as well but the price tag is going to be high, at least a 2nd round pick and 1-2 mid round picks on top of that. Don't know what we can do...if/when we get a new HC we'll probably draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd round. Maybe Jake Locker.

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It's really hard to say. Considering the fact that we might take the NFC West and make playoffs, Singletary might end up staying. Or we could end up in a regime change, which will lead to a different drafting policy.

I think Sing is done. Jed isn't having lunch and dinner with Jim Harbaugh for the fun of it. Mike Silver and Matt Barrows also reported that there's a good possibility we win the division and still fire Singletary, although that was after the MNF game against Arizona. We were supposed to win this division with ease, i would hope our owner isn't stupid enough to reward Singletary because we were the least incompetent team in the division.

Ness · 12-13-2010, 05:24 AM

The only way I see Mike Singletary staying around is if the 49ers make the playoffs and at least advance to the second round. This season has been too much of a rollarcoaster and a lot of bad press has resulted because of it.

Madirishman · 12-13-2010, 11:22 AM

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Palmer has been bad for years and signed a huge contract extension worth $118 million that runs from 2005-2014. No thanks. The only guys that look worthy of being traded for are Orton (4th at best IMO) or Matt Flynn (5th or worse, and mainly if we sign their QB coach as our OC) and neither are long term starters. I would look into trading for Kolb as well but the price tag is going to be high, at least a 2nd round pick and 1-2 mid round picks on top of that. Don't know what we can do...if/when we get a new HC we'll probably draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd round. Maybe Jake Locker.

If the Bengals release Palmer, then his salary wouldn't matter to the Niners, as he would sign for less. Orton has had a good season but has looked awful the last two weeks and though he was fired, I believe McDaniels made Orton better, just like he made Cassell better. The Eagles will not get rid of Kolb as Vick has a history of missing a couple games during the season. Matt Flynn is a joke; he couldn't even lead the Packers on a scoring drive yesterday against the Lions. To say you'd rather have him than Palmer is completely asinine.

49ersfan_87 · 12-13-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Madirishman

If the Bengals release Palmer, then his salary wouldn't matter to the Niners, as he would sign for less. Orton has had a good season but has looked awful the last two weeks and though he was fired, I believe McDaniels made Orton better, just like he made Cassell better. The Eagles will not get rid of Kolb as Vick has a history of missing a couple games during the season. Matt Flynn is a joke; he couldn't even lead the Packers on a scoring drive yesterday against the Lions. To say you'd rather have him than Palmer is completely asinine.

First i have to say i thought you wanted Palmer as our new long-term starter, didn't see the stopgap part. My bad. But i'm still not a big fan. I really doubt Mike Brown releases Palmer with 4 years left on his contract, considering the huge investment. He's one of the more frugal owners in the NFL, so to speak. If they do trade him i expect it to be for too high a price (2nd?), because the Bengals literally have nobody else worthy on their roster. I don't think anything will happen with him until the CBA is sorted out, and even then the Bengals could keep him even if they draft a new QB. But really, Palmer is washed up, he just makes too many mistakes. I don't trust him anymore.

As for Orton and Flynn...for the expected price (4th or 5th), they would be solid, cheap backups and could start for a few games while we groom our rookies. What i like about Orton is he's a solid "game manager" and doesn't make a ton of mistakes. Orton has thrown 33 interceptions his last 3 full years as a starter, in Palmer's last 3 full years Carson threw 51 interceptions. None of them are here to be our fulltime starters anyways, but if i had a choice i'd choose the game manager who doesn't make mistakes (Orton) or the young guy with upside (Flynn) at reduced prices over the washed up vet who makes bad decisions (Palmer). JMO.

TheFinisher · 12-13-2010, 02:33 PM

Was Aubrayo Franklin given an extension this year? And if not, do you think he comes back or hits the market?

Madirishman · 12-13-2010, 04:06 PM

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Was Aubrayo Franklin given an extension this year? And if not, do you think he comes back or hits the market?

No, he was franchised. There are many factors, including a likely coaching and front office (GM) change, so it's hard to say for sure. Assuming they stay in a 3/4 Defense next year, they'll likely franchise him again.