San Francisco 49ers Discussion - Page 35

FG4prez · 01-17-2009, 07:50 PM

true, but i dont think that you can go ahead and commit all that money to a player that will jump ahead of your 2nd rd pick last year on the charts. if we could have reggie smith at fs that would be something. i would rather commit the asomugha money to peppers or gross without a doubt.

Brent · 01-17-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by edgrenade

What is there to be excited about with Smith. He never even saw the field this season. Have you seen something that i haven't seen? Until he is playing, there is nothing to be excited about.

He played some at the end of the season. He didn't see the field because there is a logjam at cornerback. If I remember correctly, we have more on our roster than anyone else in the NFC West. Possibly even the rest of the NFC.

woodyx02 · 01-17-2009, 07:58 PM

Ya Smith did play some towards the end of the year and looked solid. I think he has the tools to be a very good nickleback. Not sure if he is a good enough tackler to move to FS.

As for Gross I read that the Redskins are going to offer him a huge (Jake Longish) contract. I think he would help but not at that price tag.

01-17-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by edgrenade

What is there to be excited about with Smith. He never even saw the field this season. Have you seen something that i haven't seen? Until he is playing, there is nothing to be excited about.

Potential doesn't mean anything until it is fulfilled.

"Potential means you haven't done anything yet" Bill Parcells.

Peppers is nearly 290lbs. I know he's a tremendous athlete but does he think he's going to play OLB in a 3-4? He can't think he'll be better in a 3-4 as an end I can't see that? His numbers will certainly go down as a 3-4 end. So he must be thinking he'll play a Merriman/LT type role???

Merriman is about 270, Ware is 260ish, Peppers would LIKELY be the biggest
3-4 OLB ever.

Having said that, you have 20 mill cap space and Peppers is only 29 come tomorrow. He's got at least 4-5 stud like years in him.

FG4prez · 01-17-2009, 09:23 PM

I think he can, and don't forget the taller the frame the more volitile weight can be. if i'm nolan in denver im begging for peppers, considering his versatility would help nolans whole hybrid idea a lot more than smith could

woodyx02 · 01-18-2009, 12:15 AM

Let me ask you guys this, lets say Carolina does slap him with the tag in an attempt to trade him. Do you trade the 10th pick for Peppers? Plus after you make the trade you have to give him Jared Allen money. Is this something you would want or not?

dan77733 · 01-18-2009, 01:51 AM

I would much rather go after Suggs if he hits UFA instead of Peppers because he's younger, can play both DE and OLB, would give us a legitimate pass rusher at either position and we wouldnt have to trade anything to acquire him.

I have no interest in Peppers whatsoever especially considering what his demands will be. One thing will be interesting though - to franchise Peppers, the Panthers will be required to have the $17m+ available in cap room before applying the franchise tag but here's the interesting part, what happens if CAR doesnt franchise tag him? Does he still get the money that he wants in FA when every team would be saying, "wow, they didnt even tag and try to trade him, they just let him leave for free".

Think about it. Sometimes, doing nothing says more than actually doing something.

Borat · 01-18-2009, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dan77733

what happens if CAR doesnt franchise tag him? Does he still get the money that he wants in FA when every team would be saying, "wow, they didnt even tag and try to trade him, they just let him leave for free".

Think about it. Sometimes, doing nothing says more than actually doing something.

Not in this case. If Peppers is available in FA, then he'll be the highest paid defensive player in the NFL. No question about it.

BandwagonPunditry · 01-18-2009, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dan

I would much rather go after Suggs if he hits UFA instead of Peppers because he's younger, can play both DE and OLB, would give us a legitimate pass rusher at either position and we wouldnt have to trade anything to acquire him.

Suggs is far too light to play 3-4 end. He'd do well with his hand up, but on the ground he'd get swallowed up by the opposing blockers.

01-18-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dan77733

I would much rather go after Suggs if he hits UFA instead of Peppers because he's younger, can play both DE and OLB, would give us a legitimate pass rusher at either position and we wouldnt have to trade anything to acquire him.

I have no interest in Peppers whatsoever especially considering what his demands will be. One thing will be interesting though - to franchise Peppers, the Panthers will be required to have the $17m+ available in cap room before applying the franchise tag but here's the interesting part, what happens if CAR doesnt franchise tag him? Does he still get the money that he wants in FA when every team would be saying, "wow, they didnt even tag and try to trade him, they just let him leave for free".

Think about it. Sometimes, doing nothing says more than actually doing something.

They franchise him, it's two firsts I think. Pass on that.

If they don't, we should test the water. If he really wants to play 3-4 there are only 5-6 teams and a few of them are out due to salary restrictions.

chapo123 · 01-18-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by edgrenade

What is there to be excited about with Smith. He never even saw the field this season. Have you seen something that i haven't seen? Until he is playing, there is nothing to be excited about.

Potential doesn't mean anything until it is fulfilled.

i feel the same way about another smith that plays qb

Brent · 01-18-2009, 09:59 AM

I dont get the Suggs love. He had eights sacks this year. Parys Haralson had the same amount and he did not start every game, unlike Suggs. Also, he did not have as talented a surrounding cast as Suggs either.

Fogcity_faithful · 01-18-2009, 11:00 AM

parys and suggs had the same number of sacks last year, and suggs played for a more talented lb team, but the ravens sent everyone. Suggs got a lower number of sacks because their D sends different people all the time. I like parys, but he is not the same talent as suggs. Parys had quite a few sacks get away from him, and as well as he played he does not possess the skill set that suggs does.

BandwagonPunditry · 01-18-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent

I dont get the Suggs love. He had eights sacks this year. Parys Haralson had the same amount and he did not start every game, unlike Suggs. Also, he did not have as talented a surrounding cast as Suggs either.

I read the same piece this morning. :P

I totally agree. I've been behind Haralson getting a chance to prove himself. He's got 8 sacks on the season, that's not a bad effort. Certainly not bad enough to suggest that he's the issue with our D's pass rushing problems.

Further to that, I don't get all the love for an OLB with the first pick, I don't think it offers the best upgrade for our defence, or the best positional advantage.

Menardo75 · 01-18-2009, 01:07 PM

Not really a fan of bringing in Suggs or Peppers. Peppers will cost more than Clements. Reggie Smith did look very good in his limited action.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo? · 01-18-2009, 02:25 PM

Scott Linehan has declined our offer to be OC:
http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/...s-offer-1.html

(shocked smiley) That hurts. I hope they bring in Rob Chudzinski.

chapo123 · 01-18-2009, 03:31 PM

ok...so now what?

Brent · 01-18-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chapo123

ok...so now what?

49ers are down to two canidates:
-Colts receivers coach Clyde Christensen
-Former Browns offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski

chapo123 · 01-18-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent

49ers are down to two canidates:
-Colts receivers coach Clyde Christensen
-Former Browns offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski

i hope not. i would not mind dennison or mike mccoy from carolina.

BandwagonPunditry · 01-18-2009, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chapo123

i hope not. i would not mind dennison or mike mccoy from carolina.

Dennison's off the list, accepted a position under McDaniels.

To be honest, I haven't been that impressed with our shortlist...

Brent · 01-18-2009, 06:41 PM

Keep in mind that Linehan said he might regret that decision a week from now, so maybe we'll offer it to him again and he'll change his mind?

no love · 01-18-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Borat Sagdiyev

Not in this case. If Peppers is available in FA, then he'll be the highest paid defensive player in the NFL. No question about it.

If Asomugha made it to FA you could say the same.

dan77733 · 01-18-2009, 07:36 PM

Any other offensive coordinators that we could go after because Clyde Christensen and Rob Chudzinski dont impress me at all???

Ugh.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo? · 01-18-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by woodyx02

Let me ask you guys this, lets say Carolina does slap him with the tag in an attempt to trade him. Do you trade the 10th pick for Peppers? Plus after you make the trade you have to give him Jared Allen money. Is this something you would want or not?

No I would not give up a top ten pick for Peppers. If it was a future first or a second round pick then yeah. But I do not feel we are in a position of being one player away to give up that high of a pick. Add on top of that handing him a new contract.

01-18-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dan77733

Any other offensive coordinators that we could go after because Clyde Christensen and Rob Chudzinski dont impress me at all???

Ugh.

They also interviewed the BC Head Coach who was let go. Can't find a link right now though.