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Which is why its smarter to just keep Mays instead. He was a high second round draft pick and is only in his second season and in case we get hit with an injury bug, he provides insurance to the strong safety spot and probably could backup at LB too if needed. I think that he's worth more to us than a 7th round draft pick would be. Now, if a team wanted to give me a third rounder for him, I would probably take it but anything lower, no damn way because he's worth more than that by age alone. Imagine if he was traded to a team that moves him to LB and he excels, we'll look like morons for trading away a player who's only in his second season.
If we turn down a 4th for Mays, we should slit Baalke's throat. Mays is a bum, he's a guy that niner fans fell in love with because they are dumb and clueless. Same people that blame Alex for everything and want to get rid of Crabtree.
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Same people that blame Alex for everything and want to get rid of Crabtree.

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Which is why its smarter to just keep Mays instead. He was a high second round draft pick and is only in his second season and in case we get hit with an injury bug, he provides insurance to the strong safety spot and probably could backup at LB too if needed. I think that he's worth more to us than a 7th round draft pick would be. Now, if a team wanted to give me a third rounder for him, I would probably take it but anything lower, no damn way because he's worth more than that by age alone. Imagine if he was traded to a team that moves him to LB and he excels, we'll look like morons for trading away a player who's only in his second season.
Why? He's looked worse than everyone else in camp apparently. He's probably not going to make the final 53. Keeping him on the team just because he's in his second season when he's apparently looking really bad isn't a good idea at all. You could use that extra place for a special teams contributor or something else. We already have enough safeties to back up our starters. Mays has apparently looked worse than all of them. The fact that they're trying to trade a player so young says something about how bad he is.
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Why? He's looked worse than everyone else in camp apparently. He's probably not going to make the final 53. Keeping him on the team just because he's in his second season when he's apparently looking really bad isn't a good idea at all. You could use that extra place for a special teams contributor or something else. We already have enough safeties to back up our starters. Mays has apparently looked worse than all of them. The fact that they're trying to trade a player so young says something about how bad he is.
Agree. They were running him on the 3rd team defense and ST last night. It is an uncomfortably situation for both parties. It would be best to move on. Wouldn't be surprised if Mays agent asks for his release in the next week.
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Why? He's looked worse than everyone else in camp apparently. He's probably not going to make the final 53. Keeping him on the team just because he's in his second season when he's apparently looking really bad isn't a good idea at all. You could use that extra place for a special teams contributor or something else. We already have enough safeties to back up our starters. Mays has apparently looked worse than all of them. The fact that they're trying to trade a player so young says something about how bad he is.
Not to mention if Baalke keeps him and Mays flops spectacularly, the team will look like a bunch of fools when they had the chance to move him.
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Which is why its smarter to just keep Mays instead. He was a high second round draft pick and is only in his second season and in case we get hit with an injury bug, he provides insurance to the strong safety spot and probably could backup at LB too if needed. I think that he's worth more to us than a 7th round draft pick would be. Now, if a team wanted to give me a third rounder for him, I would probably take it but anything lower, no damn way because he's worth more than that by age alone. Imagine if he was traded to a team that moves him to LB and he excels, we'll look like morons for trading away a player who's only in his second season.
Mays is not a LB. Good luck to anyone thinking he will turn into a guy who can get off blocks and meet ball-carriers head on. Just because he's big enough to play the position doesn't mean he's capable. Its also a mentality. Mays likes to hit but he's not a physical player. He doesn't fit the mold of a LB. He would have to change he's whole mentality. Its not as though he plays the game like a Adrian Wilson, a guy very simar to Mays physically. Wilson is a very physical player with a good nose for the ball in the run game and solid tackler. Thats not Mays at all. He's a shotty tackler who likes to hit but is not a very physical player. The Bears thought they could convert him because of the scheme they play(Cover-2) and because they had prior success converting a college safety to a stud LB(Urlacher). But Mays is who he is, a flawed SS.

He can be a serviceable safety if you scheme for him in sub-packages, but really what does he offer us that guys ahead of him on the depth chart dont? Speed? Speed means nothing when you dont have the hips or short-area quickness to turn and run or break down and tackle elusive ball-carriers. Size? The way the rules are being geared towards player safety, head-hunting SS will go the way of the dinosaur. Its a passing league now and if your going to be a safety of any kind in the NFL, you must be able to hold your own in coverage. And with the guys we have, guys like R. Smith, Whitner, Williams, and Spillman all ahead of him on the depth chart currently and all able to play SS, where excatly do you have room for Mays to develop?
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The skill position players are the best the Niners have had since the 1994 Super Bowl team. I’ll list them for you in order of “goodness” : Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Braylon Edwards, Michael Crabtree, Delanie Walker, Kendall Hunter, Kyle Williams, Joshua Morgan, Bruce Miller, Konrad Reuland, Xavier Omon, and Anthony Dixon. That’s at least 8 good skill players, maybe 12 depending on how the young ones play. Still, this unit is especially good because none of their skill sets overlap. Each player adds something unique and dangerous. Greg Roman should be able to create dozens of effective 5-man combinations out of this group.
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Bruce Miller looked great at FB. Could be the end of Morran Norris.
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Imagine if he was traded to a team that moves him to LB and he excels, we'll look like morons for trading away a player who's only in his second season.
Imagine a team being "moronic" enough to spend a draft pick trading for him, using a roster spot to keep him on their 53, waiting for him to add weight AND learn a new position at the NFL level. Besides that, he'd have to learn how to tackle better to play LB by wrapping up instead of trying to knock people out, leading with his head. Imagine that. It wouldn't be a 3/4 team, that's for sure as part of the problem with Mays at safety is he can't effectively flip his hips and change direction. How could he possibly be a pass rushing 3/4 OLB if he isn't able to effectively bend his body, leveraging himself to get around huge OTs?!

I was surprised and hopeful he would develop when they drafted him, but he isn't winning the coaching staff over and his value has subsequently decreased significantly. A mid round pick in return would be a huge win for the Niners at this point.
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Very interesting take on the team after last nights game.....

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Having skill players that have different skill-sets is how dynamic offenses are made in the NFL. Look at what the Patriots and Saints (among others) have done the past few years. They have a team of specialists; role players that each create potential match-ups for their opponents. They have the ability to switch up a game plan or a situation to play to their strengths, or more importantly, their opponents weaknesses.
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I am no body language expert but I have noticed Gore asking a lot this preseason. Seems like after every carry he is making a gesture to come out of the ballgame. Just an observation but can't say I blame him.
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Bruce Miller looked great at FB. Could be the end of Morran Norris.
MM thinks so as well......amen to that. And AGAIN, I cant give enough props for Baalke on this draft. Mayock, eat your heart out....and maybe some of our fanbase will learn to understand you NEVER judge a draft on draft night. I know its hard not too, but with good talent evaulators, there's always a method to their madness.

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MM thinks so as well......amen to that. And AGAIN, I cant give enough props for Baalke on this draft. Mayock, eat your heart out....and maybe some of our fanbase will learn to understand you NEVER judge a draft on draft night. I know its hard not too, but with good talent evaulators, there's always a method to their madness.

I'm liking the draft right now. Aldon Smith, Culliver, Hunter, Kilgore, and Miller all look pretty good right now. Person and Kaepernick look ok for backups, and i have faith in Harbaugh's ability to coach up Kaep. I kind of wish Kaep was a bit further along though. Holcolmb has been injured and i like the UDFA's Reuland, Dobbs, and Ian Williams. I'm most disappointed in Ronald Johnson and Colin Jones, both have been invisble basically.
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I'm liking the draft right now. Aldon Smith, Culliver, Hunter, Kilgore, and Miller all look pretty good right now. Person and Kaepernick look ok for backups, and i have faith in Harbaugh's ability to coach up Kaep. I kind of wish Kaep was a bit further along though. Holcolmb has been injured and i like the UDFA's Reuland, Dobbs, and Ian Williams. I'm most disappointed in Ronald Johnson and Colin Jones, both have been invisble basically.
RoJo will be fine. There's a logjam@WR right now but I think he shown enough in camp to warrant consideration for the 53.
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I'm liking the draft right now. Aldon Smith, Culliver, Hunter, Kilgore, and Miller all look pretty good right now. Person and Kaepernick look ok for backups, and i have faith in Harbaugh's ability to coach up Kaep. I kind of wish Kaep was a bit further along though. Holcolmb has been injured and i like the UDFA's Reuland, Dobbs, and Ian Williams. I'm most disappointed in Ronald Johnson and Colin Jones, both have been invisble basically.
Kap is VERY raw and would have gone in the 3rd/4th Round in another year, had their not been so many QB hungry teams. I trust that Harbaugh is bringing him along but the plan never was to have him start this year.
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Kap is VERY raw and would have gone in the 3rd/4th Round in another year, had their not been so many QB hungry teams. I trust that Harbaugh is bringing him along but the plan never was to have him start this year.
I wouldn't say CK is very raw. He already understands alot of the little nuisances associated with the QB position. Harbs himself has said he was surprised by how much of the offense he knew and how ready CK was to step up and compete right away against Alex. He just came from a offense that was so foreign to a pro style offense, people thought it would take time. But I fully believe if we had a regular off-season, he'd be giving Alex a helluva fight for the starting position. Right now he just needs to focus on training his eyes and his footwork. But once he adjusts to the speed of NFL defenses and understands what DC's are trying to do to him, watch out. As pure passer though, I haven't seen a better rookie other than Mallet. And I've been watching them all....

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Okay I'm optimistic, but that's kind of ridiculous. Since the 1994 Super Bowl team? I'd say maybe since 2001/2002 and that's a big maybe.
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Figured after two pre-season games I'd re-do my 53-man roster projections. So as of now...

QBs - A. Smith, C. Kaepernick, ?

RBs - F. Gore, K. Hunter, A. Dixon

FB - B. Miller

TEs - V. Davis, D. Walker, K. Reuland

OTs - J. Staley, A. Boone, A. Davis, M. Pearson

OGs - M. Iupati, C. Rachal, D. Kilgore

C - J. Goodwin, A. Synder

WRs - B. Edwards, M. Crabtree, J. Morgan, K. Williams, T. Ginn, R. Johnson

NTs - I. Sopoaga, R. Jean-Francois, I. Williams

DEs - J. Smith, R. McDonald, W. Tukuafu

OLBs - A. Brooks, A. Smith, P. Haralson, M. Simmons

ILBs - P. Willis, N. Bowman, L. Grant, S. McKillop

SS - D. Whitner, M. Williams, CJ Spillman

FS - R. Smith, D. Goldson

CBs - C. Rodgers, C. Culliver, T. Brock, T. Brown, P. Adams, S. Spencer

P - A. Lee

K - D. Akers

LS - B. Jennings

*The question mark at QB is because I think we will add a vet QB after final cuts are made for teams to get down to the 53. If none appear worthy of consideration, then you can pencil in McNown for the 3rd QB spot.


Right now, I have Simmons edging out Applewhite but I wouldn't be surprised to see AA make it and Simmons headed to the practice squad. Just haven't been impressed with Applewhite as a pass-rusher and he hasn't stood out on special teams in these first two pre-season games. And since Simmons seems to be turning heads in camp, I thought I'd add him.
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Offense (23)

QB (3) - Alex Smith | Colin Kaepernick | Josh McCown
RB (3) - Frank Gore | Kendall Hunter | Anthony Dixon
FB (1) - Bruce Miller
TE (3) - Vernon Davis | Delanie Walker | Konrad Reuland
WR (5) - Braylon Edwards | Michael Crabtree | Joshua Morgan | Ted Ginn | Kyle Williams
OT (3) - Joe Staley | Anthony Davis | Alex Boone
OG (3) - Mike Iupati | Chilo Rachal | Daniel Kilgore
C (2) - Jonathan Goodwin | Adam Snyder (OT/OG)


Defense (26)

DE (4) - Justin Smith | Ray McDonald | Will Tukuafa | Demarcus Dobbs
NT (3) - Isaac Sopoaga | Ricky Jean Francois | Ian Williams
OLB (4) - Ahmad Brooks | Aldon Smith | Parys Haralson | Antwan Applewhite
ILB (4) - Patrick Willis | NaVorro Bowman | Larry Grant | Blake Castonzo
CB (6) - Carlos Rogers | Shawntae Spencer | Chris Culliver | Tramaine Brock | Tarell Brown | Phillip Adams
S (5) - Donte Whitner | Dashon Goldson | Reggie Smith | Madieu Williams | CJ Spillman


Special Teams (3)

P (1) - Andy Lee
K (1) - David Akers
LS (1) - Brian Jennings


Offense (23)
Defense (26)
Special Teams (3)

Bold are the fringe players in my opinion

That's 52 spots. The final spot should be between Tony Wragge, Moran Norris, Ronald Johnson, Colin Jones, and Curtis Taylor.

Demarcus Dobbs and Ian Williams could be candidates for PS along with Johnson and Jones.

Mike Person should go PS.

Unfortunately my Pitt-homer McKillop is as good as gone, as is Mays.
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I wouldn't say CK is very raw. He already understands alot of the little nuisances associated with the QB position. Harbs himself has said he was surprised by how much of the offense he knew and how ready CK was to step up and compete right away against Alex. He just came from a offense that was so foreign to a pro style offense, people thought it would take time. But I fully believe if we had a regular off-season, he'd be giving Alex a helluva fight for the starting position. Right now he just needs to focus on training his eyes and his footwork. But once he adjusts to the speed of NFL defenses and understands what DC's are trying to do to him, watch out. As pure passer though, I haven't seen a better rookie other than Mallet. And I've been watching them all....
You're dreaming. Kap would need at least a year to compete for the starting spot vs. Alex. The kid just looks mega-raw.
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You're dreaming. Kap would need at least a year to compete for the starting spot vs. Alex. The kid just looks mega-raw.
This.

He looks quite good for as "raw" as he is, which is a good sign for how he can potentially look when he gets fundamentally sound in a pro-style offense.
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You're dreaming. Kap would need at least a year to compete for the starting spot vs. Alex. The kid just looks mega-raw.
In what way does he look "mega raw"? He looks no different than most rookie QBs in pre-season, some good moments, some bad ones. He has command in the pocket, has good feel for pressure, unlike Alex and seems to be going from his first read if its not there quicker than all the other rookies I have seen. He's accuracy has been as well as advertised and he doesnt drop his eyes when he's pressured. Most of his issues are technique-driven and just the normal rookie learning curve. I see nothing that suggests in a normal off-season he wouldn't be able to challenge Alex as starter. Notice I said nothing about winning the job but I think there are things he brings to the table Alex doesn't and with normal prep time, those traits could be heighten and his technique stuff repped out through early off-season work.
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In other news, Jed York opens his mouth and makes an ass out of himself....

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In what way does he look "mega raw"? He looks no different than most rookie QBs in pre-season, some good moments, some bad ones. He has command in the pocket, has good feel for pressure, unlike Alex and seems to be going from his first read if its not there quicker than all the other rookies I have seen. He's accuracy has been as well as advertised and he doesnt drop his eyes when he's pressured. Most of his issues are technique-driven and just the normal rookie learning curve. I see nothing that suggests in a normal off-season he wouldn't be able to challenge Alex as starter. Notice I said nothing about winning the job but I think there are things he brings to the table Alex doesn't and with normal prep time, those traits could be heighten and his technique stuff repped out through early off-season work.
Kaepernick doesn't seem that raw to me. Just seems inexperienced at the NFL level. But he's throwing the ball well, taking snaps from under center alright and everything else. I think he just needs more time. I really like what I've seen from these first two preseason games. He shows promise.
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