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Old 10-18-2011, 12:04 AM    (permalink
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Trading for receivers usually doesn't work. First, the coach has to figure out his skillset, second, he has to figure out where said skillset fits into his offense, third, the quarterback and receiver need to learn how to work together.
By the time all of those things are figured out, the season's almost done. Unless you're trading for a guy who you know is going to stay around for a few years, it's not really a good idea.
There are plenty of good receivers in this year's draft. Harbaugh has done an excellent job this season, so all they need to do is keep building.
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Trading for receivers usually doesn't work. First, the coach has to figure out his skillset, second, he has to figure out where said skillset fits into his offense, third, the quarterback and receiver need to learn how to work together.
By the time all of those things are figured out, the season's almost done. Unless you're trading for a guy who you know is going to stay around for a few years, it's not really a good idea.
There are plenty of good receivers in this year's draft. Harbaugh has done an excellent job this season, so all they need to do is keep building.
Exactly. Keep building.

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Matt Maiocco made a few good points regarding the rumor of Brandon Lloyd. He thought there was no chance they would trade for him. He isn't going to come in and start over Edwards and Crabtree, and maybe even Ginn. So you have a 30 year old receiver that may be fourth string. And our tight ends get so much work, especially Davis and Walker. And then you have Bruce Miller. Our third receiver is basically Walker. Not to mention the 49ers like guys like Kyle Williams and they just signed Swain.
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I wouldn't be surprised if all they were doing was trying to drive the price up.
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I know this is irrelevant but, Lol Raiders ****** up.
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I know this is irrelevant but, Lol Raiders ****** up.
TWO 1st Round picks for Carson Palmer?! They don't have many picks left in next year's draft and now, the year after.

They're laying their nuts out there but I still think San Diego will be the team to go the furthest in that division.
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For all those doubting Alex Smith is anything more than a manager manager these are his stats when we are trailing in the second half, which has happened three times this year.

- 28/39 (71.8%)
- 343 yards
- 8.8 Y/A
- 3 TD
- 0 INT
- 124.2 QB rating
- Three 4th Quarter comebacks, all on the road against teams a combined 11-4 not including losses to the 49ers

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I'm still not sold or wanting Smith back next he only hit 300 yards ONE game this season.We still need some one who has a stronger arm , more accurate and run as well. But it won't happen so miss our mobile QB.Mayne CK can set up to plate next year.Just his realase is the only problem.
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I'm still not sold or wanting Smith back next he only hit 300 yards ONE game this season.We still need some one who has a stronger arm , more accurate and run as well. But it won't happen so miss our mobile QB.Mayne CK can set up to plate next year.Just his realase is the only problem.
Smith didn't even through for 300 yards in a game this season. It was 291 against the Eagles.

That's not the issue with me. I'm hoping as time goes on, the passing game will mature more with Alex and we won't have to depend on the run game as the main threat on offense all the time. Defensive coordinators are staying up all night game planning for Alex Smith. They're up game planning for Frank Gore and Kendall Hunter.
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I'm still not sold or wanting Smith back next he only hit 300 yards ONE game this season.We still need some one who has a stronger arm , more accurate and run as well. But it won't happen so miss our mobile QB.Mayne CK can set up to plate next year.Just his realase is the only problem.
Dude for the love of god enroll in an english class or proof read your posts.
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I'm still not sold or wanting Smith back next he only hit 300 yards ONE game this season.We still need some one who has a stronger arm , more accurate and run as well. But it won't happen so miss our mobile QB.Mayne CK can set up to plate next year.Just his realase is the only problem.
I don't understand this at all. Why break up a formula that's working. He's been serviceable and he's lead the 49ers to a few victories. Why draft a QB, spend time to let him learn the system rather than just keep strengthening the team and try to win. You don't need a Manning or Brady if you have a great defense and a awesome run game. Look at the Ravens when they won their SB.
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I don't understand this at all. Why break up a formula that's working. He's been serviceable and he's lead the 49ers to a few victories. Why draft a QB, spend time to let him learn the system rather than just keep strengthening the team and try to win. You don't need a Manning or Brady if you have a great defense and a awesome run game. Look at the Ravens when they won their SB.
I hate this justification. That Ravens defense was one of the best EVER, and it's the only time it has happened. The Niners defense is excellent but it's not one of the best ever.

With that said I don't see a reason to move on from Alex yet either as long as the team is winning.
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I hate this justification. That Ravens defense was one of the best EVER, and it's the only time it has happened. The Niners defense is excellent but it's not one of the best ever.
Yea or look at the 2004 Steelers if you want a team that's close to the way the 49ers are formulated at the moment. Stout running game, QB manager who can pull off a victory if needed, and a stout defense. Like I said you don't need a Manning or Brady to win the superbowl.
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I don't understand this at all. Why break up a formula that's working. He's been serviceable and he's lead the 49ers to a few victories. Why draft a QB, spend time to let him learn the system rather than just keep strengthening the team and try to win. You don't need a Manning or Brady if you have a great defense and a awesome run game. Look at the Ravens when they won their SB.
I think it's more along the lines of getting a QB that will allow the team to come from behind or get those big plays when needed. We've seen that the scheme works. Unfortunately, we don't know what will happen if the 49ers repeatedly go up against other teams with good to great systems and play well on a consistent basis.
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I think it's more along the lines of getting a QB that will allow the team to come from behind or get those big plays when needed. We've seen that the scheme works. Unfortunately, we don't know what will happen if the 49ers repeatedly go up against other teams with good to great systems and play well on a consistent basis.
Has this not been Alex through the first 6 weeks of the season? Clutch plays, on the road, in critical situations to win games? Saying DC's are game-plannng to stop Gore and Hunter is music to my ears. Because that means Alex will continue to exploit their ignorance and we will continue to stack "W's". We couldnt run the ball the first three weeks of the season. We still managed to put points on the board, make plays, and win 2 out of those 3 games, all while our O-Line was hermorging pressure and sacks. AND with the play-calling very conserative.

That's the beauty of this offense. Harbaughs system is nothing more than taking what the defense gives. Thats all it really is. Whether its slants over the middle, runs between the tackles, end-around to Ginn...WHATEVER space on the field the D will yield, thats where the ball is going. If they double Vernon and scheme him out of the game... he becomes the the decoy and Delanie + crabtree get the calls.

Against the Lions, they ran Gore between the tackles , sending Delanie in motion one way and (nearly) cracking him back against a tackle or DE. But that was the space on the field that DET was willing giving up and it netted HUGE yardage for Gore. Harbaugh ran that at least 3-4 times. It was Harbugh/Roman's ability to recognize the open space in the defense... even on a "simple" run play, thats what sets him apart from his predecessor. That's what smart, TATICAL football will do for good players. With Harbaugh its the ability to dissect the open space in a defense and call plays to exploit it.

And that's why Alex can be sucessful in this offense because he will continually be put in positions to exploit defenses, not just merely make a play. When was the last time we had a offense that exploited anything? And the beauty of our offense is that out of one single personel pacakge(2-TE, 2 WR) we can gouge you with the run or exploit your base D with the mismatches our TEs create. There's no need for a Aaron Rodgers type of QB perfromance every week because we aren't spreading teams out and attacking downfield. We're drawing teams into the box, then taking what open space on the field their giving up trying to stop run. Same WCO, totally different philosophy. We dont need to throw for over 300 yards every week to win in this offense. That's the beauty of it. People need to stop comparing us to other offenses because we don't do what they do and they can't do what we do. Sure its a QB driven league but its a also a offensive-driven league and we don't lacked for scheme or creativity on that side of the ball. And we have a QB that is smart with the ball, on time with his reads and his throws, and is making plays when they present themselves. He was off for the first 3 quarters Sunday but when he had to make a throw, he stuck a beautiful ball into a very tight window, in a clutch situation. That's a throw you expext a good QB to make. Looked almost identical to Brady's throw to beat Dallas.

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Say what you will about our offense passing game but it IMO it needs to be bigger and more explosive.A.Smith only pass for 125 yards against Det,really that is all we can dig up?His ratings may be descent but his yards are terrible.We should or at least I hope we move forward next season.You guys will be disappointing when we lose in the play offs because don't have high numbers for passing yards.
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Say what you will about our offense passing game but it IMO it needs to be bigger and more explosive.A.Smith only pass for 125 yards against Det,really that is all we can dig up?His ratings may be descent but his yards are terrible.We should or at least I hope we move forward next season.You guys will be disappointing when we lose in the play offs because don't have high numbers for passing yards.
So you rather have Kyle Orton and his 4000+ passing yards with a terrible record than what you have now?
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So you rather have Kyle Orton and his 4000+ passing yards with a terrible record than what you have now?
1. Orton never had 4,000 yards passing.

2. Orton passed the ball a ton because the Broncos were always behind.

3. Orton had a terrible team around him.

4. Orton doesn't have the luxury of a Jim Harbaugh staff.

This doesn't mean I would like Orton on the 49ers, but the variables aren't as black and white as you're making them out to be.
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By the way did you hear about Anthony Davis and his tweeting issues? If you watch his interview on CSN Bay Area's website when he's with reporters he really just comes off as an arrogant jerk. And if you look at his twitter page and put two and two together, it's not painting a pretty picture for this guy's reputation. Honestly he comes off as an idiot to me. As long as he plays well it's not a problem, but at the same time I feel like he should have a little more class before going nuclear on his twitter page to random people.
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1. Orton never had 4,000 yards passing.

2. Orton passed the ball a ton because the Broncos were always behind.

3. Orton had a terrible team around him.

4. Orton doesn't have the luxury of a Jim Harbaugh staff.

This doesn't mean I would like Orton on the 49ers, but the variables aren't as black and white as you're making them out to be.
I'm sorry 3802 yards. I thought for sure he went over 4k with all the passing that he did. I wasn't really trying to make any point tbh honest other than it doesn't matter how you win as long as you win. A blowout win = lucky win. As long as your team is winning it really doesn't matter.
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I'm sorry 3802 yards. I thought for sure he went over 4k with all the passing that he did. I wasn't really trying to make any point tbh honest other than it doesn't matter how you win as long as you win. A blowout win = lucky win. As long as your team is winning it really doesn't matter.
I'm always of the notion that you can always do better. Winning is above all else, but I'm always looking beyond just this season, and if you want to win consistently in the NFL, you're going to need a good quarterback. I don't want us to turn into the stupid Chicago Bears that is all about running the football and playing good defense while "getting by" with pedestrian quarterback play. Especially in this era. I doubt Harbaugh is going to let this happen though and I expect Alex to put up better numbers and performances as the season progress. I'm hoping for a huge day against the Browns. At least give me 250 yards passing Christ.
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Say what you will about our offense passing game but it IMO it needs to be bigger and more explosive.A.Smith only pass for 125 yards against Det,really that is all we can dig up?His ratings may be descent but his yards are terrible.We should or at least I hope we move forward next season.You guys will be disappointing when we lose in the play offs because don't have high numbers for passing yards.
It doesn't need to be bigger or more explosive. It needs to help us win games and it has done that. Few teams can run the ball as we do. Few teams have a defense that is as stout as ours in the red-zone. We held a red-hot Detroit team to under 20 points for the first time all year, at their place. Our defense will keep us in games, even against elite offenses. Sure we might give up alot of yards but we get off the field on 3rd downs now, we don't give up TDs in the red-zone, and we can now pressure the QB with four rushers and allow our secondary to more oppurtunistic. Those facts alone mean that we can continue the ball-control on offense and still win games. Do people think if we had Aaron Rodgers, our offense would look like the Packers? I hope not, because it wouldn't. Harbs had one of the elite QBs in college football and he still was a run-heavy, 3 TE-scheming coach he is with the Niners. Sorry to burst bubbles around here, but he isn't McCarthy. Harbs is much more of a physical, power run, heavy personel guy. I think people are missing that in there evaluation of our offense.
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