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Old 12-13-2011, 01:10 AM    (permalink
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To solve our red zone scoring problems, I have a solution. Release WR Braylon Edwards and sign both WR Terrell Owens and WR Randy Moss.

That should give you guys something else to talk about. LOL.
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To solve our red zone scoring problems, I have a solution. Release WR Braylon Edwards and sign both WR Terrell Owens and WR Randy Moss.

That should give you guys something else to talk about. LOL.
Way too much to talk about. Get 3 vertical threats assuming great matchups (VD, Walker, Moss) and 2-3 timing route players (TO, Williams, Crab).

Probably will give Roman a headache trying to incorporate them.
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Alex Smith is the #1 reason we have won three of our closest games this season (Cincinnati, Philadelphia and New York), he sucks.

Alex Smith is one of the main reasons, though still not the main reason, we lose one of our closest games this season (Arizona), he sucks.

He just can't win with some 49er fans.
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Us losing or being ineffective in regards to scoring TD's in the redzone isnt all on Smith. The OL is the biggest factor. They should be dominate but instead, they're average at best. The play-calling is questionable at times and we dont have a threat at WR who can quite simply, out jump his defenders. The defense hasnt been good at stopping the pass. Cardinals have ONE major threat and he kicked our asses on Sunday. I wish Fangio would play more man coverage on the outside and press the receivers at the LOS which would give our front seven more time to get to the opposing QB. And when we play a WR like Fitzgerald, he needs to be covered by Rogers and have either Whitner or Goldson double teaming up top. That way, you have a defender in front and in back of the receiver. Subtract Fitzgerald and we win this past Sunday.

Back to the problems scoring TD's in the redzone, I wasnt even thinking about it until after Sunday's loss because come playoff time, if we cant score TD's in the redzone, we'll lose our first game at home regardless of whether its in the wildcard or divisional round.

I seriously believe that Harbaugh/Baalke should bring in Owens AND Moss this week...as in NOW for a workout and a physical because the team has an opportunity to get to the Super Bowl and win it but we dont have a threat in the redzone. Davis is our biggest threat and either he's covered, doubled or drops the ball. When that happens, we're screwed because everyone knows that we're running the ball.

Owens and/or Moss would give us more offensive weapons and a legitimate threat in the redzone. For two regular season games and between a maximum of 3-4 playoff games, I think that the gamble is worth it because if we end the season crappy (like we did in 2002), its not going to be as easy to recover in 2012 as people think it will be.

Even if there was to be an outburst by Owens and/or Moss, I think that it would be a good thing because maybe, it will light a fire under everyone's ass which is what we need. Personally, I wouldnt be surprised if we lose the next three games, finish 10-6 and get trounched in the playoffs in the wildcard round because we need to score TD's, not FG's. We get more TD's outside of the redzone than we do inside it and thats just not going to get it done especially in the playoffs against high scoring offensive teams like the Giants, Saints, Packers and Falcons. Our defense and running game will only get us so far. Eventually, we'll have our running game shutdown, our defense will have an off day (worse than Sunday) and we'll need to pass to catch up and win a game. Not having a redzone threat is going to be our downfall.

Edwards is either injured, done or both and either way, should be gone because right now, Williams and even Ginn are better options than he is. Releasing Edwards and signing Owens and/or Moss would be a far better option for us in the redzone and if Edwards is still injured, then I dont even know why he's playing. He should be placed on IR instead of being released if he's still injured and not 100% because he's not helping us.

And im not just saying this because im an Owens fanboy, im saying this because we're horrible in the redzone, we need a legitimate scoring threat in the redzone and if we dont get one (or two) by the Seahawks game, we're not going to go far in the playoffs and we have a great opportunity to get to the Super Bowl and win it but without a legitimate receiving threat in the redzone, we wont even get past our first playoff game.
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10 yard line to Goal. 34 rushes 27 yards 0.8 avg

You can look at the splits. Smith had been fine in 09-10 in getting the TDs when in close.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...009/alex-smith
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10 yard line to Goal. 34 rushes 27 yards 0.8 avg

You can look at the splits. Smith had been fine in 09-10 in getting the TDs when in close.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...009/alex-smith
Then why don't they take more shots? I can see their general conservative "don't screw it up" philosophy being applied, but when you're in the red zone, you have to take some shots at TDs. Even if they run less risky plays, they have to take some more shots. This team has weapons.

You can't live and die by the FG, as sooner or later, you'll play an offense and/or special teams that puts enough on the board to beat you. It's more like trying not to lose than trying to win at times.
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James* Harrison suspended for one game. Filing for appeal but he is more then likely out for the 49ers game.

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Jerome Harrison suspended for one game. Filing for appeal but he is more then likely out for the 49ers game.
Nice. Is Roethlisberger playing or is he out too?
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Nice. Is Roethlisberger playing or is he out too?
Report from Steelers reporter was Big Ben still had boot on and was getting treatment. Batch took most of the 1st string snaps and Dennis Dixon even got a few snaps in with the starters. I still think he plays but interesting they are getting Dixon prepared as well.
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Please stop throwing the ball to Braylon Edwards. He's terrible. Especially in the redzone. How about we try our big tight in in Vernon Davis?
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I would like to see that back shoulder to Crabtree instead of Braylon. Where are the slants? We can't run the ball for crap in the redzone either...maybe Dixon?
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Listening to Ted Robinson on KNBR on The Razor and Mr.T, they came with a good point. Something I had noticed as well. And that is in the redzone or even near the goal line, Alex hasn't really thrown towards the middle of the field into the endzone. And it's been like this the majority of his career unfortunately. I'm not sure if this year it was by design or whatever, but all of the great quarterbacks, or even good ones, can do this.
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You mean that guy Alex actually has chemistry with?
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You mean that guy Alex actually has chemistry with?
Right. You know I think Roman's playcalling for who we have on the roster has been pretty good. Except when it comes to the redzone. I'm definitely taking my chances throwing to Vernon Davis instead of Braylon Edwards.
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You mean that guy Alex actually has chemistry with?
Yeah, the ONLY guy he could hit for a TD pass a couple seasons ago on the SAME play down the middle?! Why would they get the crazy idea to do that? LOL

I maintain that the Niners need a BIG WR to add to their corps as a red zone threat. I'm talking 6'4''+ with leaping ability and athleticism. He doesn't need to be a burner at all; just a possession type that can muscle the tough yards out on short throws. I GUARANTEE it would help 3rd down conversion rates and red zone TD efficiency/ratios to FGs.
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Right. You know I think Roman's playcalling for who we have on the roster has been pretty good. Except when it comes to the redzone. I'm definitely taking my chances throwing to Vernon Davis instead of Braylon Edwards.
Maybe it's just me but the first person I throw to in the redzone is my biggest match up nightmare.
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Nice. Is Roethlisberger playing or is he out too?
He and Willis will both be gametime decisions.
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Davis does have a lot of drops this year.
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Davis does have a lot of drops this year.
But Braylon hasn't done anything all season long. Vernon Davis has had a case of dropping balls this season, but at the end of the day he's a potential playmaker. More so than Vernon Davis. I'll take my chances with him every time. What they are doing now definitely isn't working.
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I think we need to have more of Alex Smith on the edge with the option to run in the redzone.
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Alex Smith needs to start hitting guys in the middle of the field in the redzone, he's done it in the past.

Here's a great article on our redzone woes:

http://forums.warriorsworld.net/main/msgs/3091203.phtml

Basically, our running game is incredibly ineffective in the redzone, and it leads to wasted downs. Ironically, we have one of the highest rushing rates in the redzone as well. I think we need to ditch the conservative attitude down there and go attack mode. It's really the last piece of the puzzle.
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Right. You know I think Roman's playcalling for who we have on the roster has been pretty good. Except when it comes to the redzone. I'm definitely taking my chances throwing to Vernon Davis instead of Braylon Edwards.
Its real simple. Teams are not going to let VD beat them in the red-zone. He's been doubled-teamed the second we cross the opponent's 30 yard line. I mean, its a no-brainer. That little skinny post VD caught so many TDs from the last two years, oppposing defenses have keyed on that and have taken that away. And the few opportunties VD has seen single covergae, he hasn't captialized on those opportunities as he has droped some would-be TDs. And now teams are starting to take away Crabs, who is starting to show himself as a playmaker. So that leaves guys like Braylon, who isnt a 100% and lacks the reps with Alex and stonehands Ginn locked up in one-on-one coverage. Now Alex isnt going to force passes into double coverage inside the red-zone. So he's going to go where he sees one-on-one, and thats usually to a guy who isnt neccessarily a primary option, on a route which is usually short of the first down marker or the goal line.

Part of the problem IMO, is that I think Roman and Harbs are out-thinking themselves. All these personel packages and subbing in and out is cool and all to try and get mis-matches but your best players need to be on the field AT ALL TIMES in the red-zone. There is no reason Crabs, VD, Walker, or Gore need to be sitting out any plays inside the 20 unless their injured. No reason you should be calling any play that these guys are not in the package. Like I said, that's overthinking. No team can defend our 2 WR, 2 TE set if we use it creatively.

Another thing is I think we've gone max protect alot to help defend against the blitz, which mean you leaves a big weapon like Delaine, in to block. We're allowing defenses to dictate to us what we're doing instead of the opposite. And that means we have to stop crawling into the fetal position against the blitz and guys have to man-up and make something happen. All it takes is one quick hot route pass for a huge gain to change our fortune agaisnt the blitz. But the mindset has to change. We have to attack, not sit back and hope for the best. You can't just max protect your way around good defense. You have to evetually line up and make a play and move the chains.

Of course Braylon hasn't played great, but he's been hurt virtually the entire season. They should have did him like they did Spencer....put him at the end of the depth chart until he got healthy, then let him work his way back up the depth chart. Seems like Fangio has handled injuries to his side better than Roman has on the other side of the ball. Spencer is now healthy and has moved past Brock as the 4th CB, just as nagging injuries are starting to creep up on guys like Brown and Rodgers. Now its looks as if we'll 4 capable CBs at a time in the year when they'll be needed the most. If they would have taken the long view approach to Edwards injuries, he'd be healthy right now and ready to get in sync with Alex as we head into the playoffs.

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Wow, this place has become a ghost town, lol.....

In other news, Paul Chryst becomes the new HC at Pitt. For those who don't know, his brother Geep is our QB coach. He got the job over our very own Jim Tomsula, who interviewed for the position. He takes over for Todd Graham, who left Pitt after only a year to take over at ASU, where our LB coach Jim Leavitt interviewed for the HC position as well. Talk about six degrees of seperation....
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Wow, this place has become a ghost town, lol.....

In other news, Paul Chryst becomes the new HC at Pitt. For those who don't know, his brother Geep is our QB coach. He got the job over our very own Jim Tomsula, who interviewed for the position. He takes over for Todd Graham, who left Pitt after only a year to take over at ASU, where our LB coach Jim Leavitt interviewed for the HC position as well. Talk about six degrees of seperation....
Turns out the Tomsula interview was just a rumor and never happened. It is interesting, however, that Paul Chryst runs an offense very similar to that of Jim Harbaugh and Harbaugh tried to get him to join his brother on the 49ers' staff this past offseason.
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