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Old 03-28-2012, 02:53 PM    (permalink
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Oh, oops. In my defense, its definitely possible that Letui could eventually be 547 pounds. LOL.
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Good luck with Jacobs. I personally was never a fan of his. But I wish him the best of luck.
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Good luck with Jacobs. I personally was never a fan of his. But I wish him the best of luck.
I don't get the signing, unless it's meant to inspire Dixon.
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if the jacobs signing is something such as a 1 yr minimum deal i'd be ok with it...gore is the starter with hunter being the future...even if jacobs does stick around past the 53 man roster his role most likely will be short yardage and goal line situations. can't imagine more than that.

with all that being said i still hope they go for vick ballard in the draft.
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He is a great blocker too so you dont have to sacrifice Gore every play you want to block. For a small 1 year deal where we can easily cut him when Dixon steps his game up there is nothing wrong. Just like all the signings except problaby Manningham and Cartwright are going to get a chance in the offseason to compete and depth. Low-risk guys who if they reach there top are good guys to have behind the starters.
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I love that this team is at the point now where it can draft based on depth purposes. It speaks volumes of the front office and coaching staff.

This team has come a VERY long way since 05
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I love that this team is at the point now where it can draft based on depth purposes. It speaks volumes of the front office and coaching staff.

This team has come a VERY long way since 05
The problem with winning a SB or being a very good team, whose players get a lot of awards and such is that it's hard to keep all of them in this free agency era. That makes keeping windows to win open very hard to do. You guys seemed primed to win now before you have to really break open the bank to sign people.
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I wish Jacobs was as good at playing football as he was running his mouth about $#*% that he personally couldn't back up.
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I love that this team is at the point now where it can draft based on depth purposes. It speaks volumes of the front office and coaching staff.

This team has come a VERY long way since 05
Perfect example of this is CJ Spillman/Colin Jones.

Spillman was a lowly waiver wire pick-up, after being released from the Chargers, brought in to shore up the STs. Spillman spends two years as mainly a STs contributor, working his way up enough to see some snaps in our goaline package last year. Baalke has evidently been eyeing his progress and seeing his potential, rewards him by re-signing him this off-season, with a more than likely increased role in the secondary. Now I'm sure Baalke knew Spillman could be pushing for more snaps in the secondary if he progressed the way he had envisioned so last year, he goes out and drafts another safety, Jones, particular for his ability as a STer. So as Spillman may see his role reduced on STs, we already have another ST ace in the fold. So while many are looking at the Colin Jones pick on draft day as a WTF moment, its a move that really is keyed by the developement of one player and domino effect of replacing key contributors in certain areas of the team. So when you move a guy up on the depth chart, you not leaving a hole, in the role he just vacated. And hopefully in a few years, if Jones progresses to point he is ready for a increased role, and Spillman is probably a UFA, looking for his big deal in free agency, if we aren't able to keep Spillman, we have a guy like Jones that we've been grooming. And the cycle continues.....
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Good luck with Jacobs. I personally was never a fan of his. But I wish him the best of luck.
I doubt the Jacobs contract is guaranteed. Even if it is, I expect its cheap.

Underpaying for Brandon Jacobs > overpaying for David Baas...
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I doubt the Jacobs contract is guaranteed. Even if it is, I expect its cheap.

Underpaying for Brandon Jacobs > overpaying for David Baas...
Underpaying for Brandon Jacobs > overpaying for David Baas
Underpaying for Brandon Jacobs > making Bear Pascoe your starting FB
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I doubt the Jacobs contract is guaranteed. Even if it is, I expect its cheap.

Underpaying for Brandon Jacobs > overpaying for David Baas...

From your perspective, within the frame work of your organization, that makes sense. From ours we drafted Jacobs, and paid for Baas and while he was hurt, I am happy with our investments.

It will be interesting to see Jacobs role within your team.
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It will be interesting to see Jacobs role within your team.
Fighting for the 53, having to beat out Dixon and/or quite possibly a mid round draft pick.
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The team still needs a right guard...
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From your perspective, within the frame work of your organization, that makes sense. From ours we drafted Jacobs, and paid for Baas and while he was hurt, I am happy with our investments.

It will be interesting to see Jacobs role within your team.
I'd be surprised if there is one. Unless he takes to the coaching, is highly motivated and embraces his role as a 3rd stringer.....all things, I dont see happening. He can't stay off the trainer's table and has younger, hungrier guys in front of him on the depth chart already. I'd be surprised if he gives us anything honestly.
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Fighting for the 53, having to beat out Dixon and/or quite possibly a mid round draft pick.
If your OL is good at run blocking and can create holes, then Jacobs can be very effective, and in which case Dixon has no shot. If your OL struggles, and the skill set of the RB is to create something out of nothing, then Jacobs has no shot, lol!
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I'd be surprised if there is one. Unless he takes to the coaching, is highly motivated and embraces his role as a 3rd stringer.....all things, I dont see happening. He can't stay off the trainer's table and has younger, hungrier guys in front of him on the depth chart already. I'd be surprised if he gives us anything honestly.
Like I said in a previous post, it comes down to how good your OL can play. How good are the teams you are playing in terms of run defense? If your OL can run block the way we used to in 2007-2008 or near that era, then Jacobs can beat out Gore and be more productive. If not, and jacobs has to create something of nothing, then he will utterly fail.

Our OL went downhill, so the skill set of vision and creating something out of nothing was more important. That's where Jacobs became useless. However, when it comes to pass blocking he is one of the best. No LB or safety wants to run full speed into a 6'4 264 lb RB waiting there.
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Like I said in a previous post, it comes down to how good your OL can play. How good are the teams you are playing in terms of run defense? If your OL can run block the way we used to in 2007-2008 or near that era, then Jacobs can beat out Gore and be more productive. If not, and jacobs has to create something of nothing, then he will utterly fail.

Our OL went downhill, so the skill set of vision and creating something out of nothing was more important. That's where Jacobs became useless. However, when it comes to pass blocking he is one of the best. No LB or safety wants to run full speed into a 6'4 264 lb RB waiting there.
This is where I could no longer take you serious.
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That's your choice, I been around football, at the college level, and worked with people in the NFL. When we had our OL run blocking at an elite level he got 5.0 yard s a carry and did well.

You highlighted a specific sent. but the part before that is the conditional part. If your OL is as productive in run block as our OL was back then, then Jacobs can do very well. If not, the fails. And I am speaking as someone who couldn't stand the guy. I thought he was the most over rated Giant in years. But, he gets his props, but like I said if your OL can run block like we used to Jacobs can do very well.

I am confident in my opinion from having coached and worked with NFL people. So take it as you may.
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I refuse to accept that Jacobs could beat out Frank Gore. If the OL is creating the holes you suggest, you don't think Gore will be wildly successful?
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I refuse to accept that Jacobs could beat out Frank Gore. If the OL is creating the holes you suggest, you don't think Gore will be wildly successful?
That's fine your choice. Having seen what he can do when the table is set, and when an OL creates great running lane like we did, I know what he can bring to the table. That was the time period when we had a plug and play system, with Earth, wind, and fire.

Oh, I am sure he can do well. But then you can really see how physical a RB Jacobs can be and the way he can set the tone of a game due to his physical ability.

Like I said, I am probably Jacobs biggest critic, I am probably one of the few who can't stand the guy, but again, I am not afraid to give him props in the strengths of his game.
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Gore is 10x better than Jacobs no matter how the Oline performs.
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Gore is 10x better than Jacobs no matter how the Oline performs.
I agree, being more talented and that being translated into production are two different issues. I think Nicks, Dez Bryant are much more talented than Victor Cruz, however Cruz was more productive.

Look at my post, I was careful to say productive, and never said anything about talent. Jacobs is not that talented. I was waiting for the day when Bradshaw passed his arse on the depth chart. However, one thing Jacobs did well was being productive. If he wasn't that, he would have been cut ages ago. So again, talent and production are two different things.
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I agree, being more talented and that being translated into production are two different issues. I think Nicks, Dez Bryant are much more talented than Victor Cruz, however Cruz was more productive.

Look at my post, I was careful to say productive, and never said anything about talent. Jacobs is not that talented. I was waiting for the day when Bradshaw passed his arse on the depth chart. However, one thing Jacobs did well was being productive. If he wasn't that, he would have been cut ages ago. So again, talent and production are two different things.
Jacobs isn't more productive than Gore either. You are way off base when comparing the two. There is not one more thing that Jacobs is more productive at than Gore. Gore is a just as physical, more explosive, better receiver, and better blocker. I don't doubt that Jacobs can be very productive behind a good offensive line. He better be you shouldn't be playing running back if you can't.
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Jacobs isn't more productive than Gore either. You are way off base when comparing the two. There is not one more thing that Jacobs is more productive at than Gore. Gore is a just as physical, more explosive, better receiver, and better blocker. I don't doubt that Jacobs can be very productive behind a good offensive line. He better be you shouldn't be playing running back if you can't.
Jacobs is a much more physical RB than Gore. That's his only thing he is good at. He can't catch the ball well, and he is useless in any other running concept but except for LEAD and ISO. Zone, stretch, and toss is a waste of a play.

I am not comparing the two.. I said in a prior post, Gore had more talent. I'd take jacobs as a blocker any day over Gore. Outside of his physical ability, he is useless and I am glad he is gone.

Jacobs had 5.6 yards in 2010, and when our OL was god like, he was averaging 5.0 yards of carry. So he was very productive, unless you think that's not good. But outside of that, I never was a fan of his. So saying Gore is better, is not shocking. I agree... I was waiting until Jacobs would get cut. I never was a fan of his.

I never said Jacobs was better than Gore. I said if your OL was like ours at that given time period, Jacobs can be very productive, and could even be more productive than Gore.

I doubt your OL was like ours back then, so this renders the whole thing pointless anyways. I don't think, as of now, Jacobs being productive anyways, unless your OL, like I mentioned is as good as ours was back then. I don't see your OL being anywhere near as good as ours in 2007 and 2008 in rushing. So, having said that I doubt Jacobs would do anything anyways. So fear not, I expect Jacobs to be number 2 or 3.
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