San Francisco 49ers Discussion - Page 50

Menardo75 · 02-10-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dan77733

Considering the fact that T.O. is my favorite player and despite his age is still an elite WR in the league, I would love to have T.O. back in a 49ers uniform but it's not going to happen for three reasons -

1) We're in no way, shape or form a SB contender so why would any veteran player want to come here, especially T.O.???

2) With Garcia looking more and more likely to not re-sign with TB, there's a chance that we may go after him and if we sign him, I highly doubt that we'll be seeing a Garcia-T.O. reunion evn though it would be funny as hell.

T.O. - hey rat, throw me the ball
Garcia - fine, here ya go jackass

LOL.

3) None of the above matters because DAL isnt releasing or trading him because doing so would cause an $8m cap hit and cosidering the fact that Jerry Jones wants to sign Ware to a blockbuster long term deal, taking an $8m cap hit isnt going to help matters. Besides, subtract T.O. and aside from Witten, the Cowboys have no threats in the passing game. Roy Williams sucked plain and simple and if he cant kick ass with T.O. opposite him and Witten at TE, how can anyone expect him to do a damn thing without T.O. opposite him.

Plus, T.O. isnt the only problem. There are other players there that are the problem and Romo is one of them. Unlike T.O., Romo doesnt have half the work ethic that T.O. has and after his trip with Jessica Simpson, how anyone can complain about T.O. and NOT Romo is beyond me.

Bottom line is that T.O. isnt going anywhere.

Since when are we looking to bring in Garcia?

Borat · 02-10-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Menardo75

Since when are we looking to bring in Garcia?

Yeah, why would we do that? We have Hill and Smith and Sanchez.

Menardo75 · 02-10-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Borat

Yeah, why would we do that? We have Hill and Smith

Fixed it for you ;)

Borat · 02-10-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Menardo75

Fixed it for you ;)

Umm, thanks? You cut my joke off at its balls.

Menardo75 · 02-10-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Borat

Umm, thanks? You cut my joke off at its balls.

I'm sorry it's a sensitive subject.

Borat · 02-10-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Menardo75

I'm sorry it's a sensitive subject.

Hahah. I know. Notice I referred to the Sanchez portion as the balls? I'm so funny.

thediggler3030 · 02-10-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Menardo75

Watch the Miami game and tell me we don't need a top RT.

I mean, that's not really responsive to most of my comment. I do agree that we should address OT. But I also don't think we have to get one in the right away. I don't think we should get one in the first, as I agree with the people who don't want to over pay for an RT.

Snyder would be a serviceable starter. Does that mean we shouldn't draft an RT in the second to replace him? No, that is definitely an option. But its not a must.

Keep in mind, we should always draft the BPA. My mock reflects the fact that I feel Barwin could be a potential first round pick given more than a year of defensive experience.

I would be pretty comfortable coming into next season with this Oline: Snyder, Staley, Simms, Watkins, Baas, Rachel, Wragge, Rookie OG, Heitmann and Wallace.

That line includes 6 players drafted in the first four rounds. Our line didn't suck last season due to a lack of talent. We really do have a lot of talent on the Oline. A lot of our problems last season were caused by the scheme Martz ran. We all know Simms should have been given more help in the Dolphins game. You cant expect to contain the 8th best passrushing team with the scheme Martz ran.

Something else to consider in the Dolphins game was the complete lack of pressure the Niners D had on Pennington...

Brent · 02-10-2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankGore

Here's my big board for this team:

1 - Matt Stafford
2 - Eugene Monroe
3 - Aaron Curry
4 - Andre Smith
5 - Michael Crabtree
6 - BJ Raji
7 - Brian Orakpo
8 - Michael Oher
9 - Everettte Brown
10 - Mark Sanchez.

I would put Malcolm Jenkins on there before Sanchez. He can be a good corner but it seems that lots of people like him as a FS.

king2am · 02-10-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Borat

Hahah. I know. Notice I referred to the Sanchez portion as the balls? I'm so funny.

I'm rolling over here Borat. That was awesome.

FrankGore · 02-10-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent

I would put Malcolm Jenkins on there before Sanchez. He can be a good corner but it seems that lots of people like him as a FS.

Sounds like a slightly better Reggie Smith...not a pick I would make in the 1st round for us.

Brent · 02-10-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankGore

Sounds like a slightly better Reggie Smith...not a pick I would make in the 1st round for us.

This is in the highly hypothetical situation that all those other guys are gone.

Menardo75 · 02-10-2009, 04:13 PM

The thought of Oher and Staley as our tackles makes me happy in pants.

Brent · 02-10-2009, 04:51 PM

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happy in pants.

As opposed to being happy without wearing pants?

I think Oher, one of the Smiths or Monroe will be the pick. It just makes the most sense. Luckily, two of our biggest needs, pass rush and OT, are two of the deepest positions this year.

diabsoule · 02-10-2009, 05:09 PM

S Keith Lewis and LB Tully Banta-Cain have been released.

Menardo75 · 02-10-2009, 05:20 PM

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S Keith Lewis and LB Tully Banta-Cain have been released.

NOOOO I love Keith.

dan77733 · 02-10-2009, 05:20 PM

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S Keith Lewis and LB Tully Banta-Cain have been released.

Dont know if this has been confirmed or not but releasing Lewis isnt a good move since he's one of our best special teamers.

Cain on the other hand was crap before he came to SF and will continue to be crap after he's long gone.

Menardo75 · 02-10-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dan77733

Dont know if this has been confirmed or not but releasing Lewis isnt a good move since he's one of our best special teamers.

Cain on the other hand was crap before he came to SF and will continue to be crap after he's long gone.

If that's true we cut the wrong safety.

dan77733 · 02-10-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankGore

Here's my big board for this team:

1 - Matt Stafford
2 - Eugene Monroe
3 - Aaron Curry
4 - Andre Smith
5 - Michael Crabtree
6 - BJ Raji
7 - Brian Orakpo
8 - Michael Oher
9 - Everettte Brown
10 - Mark Sanchez

I think the team would be happy to get any one of those guys...Sanchez being a sort of last option at #10 if all the other guys are gone, but not a bad one. Any one of those guys other than the QBs and Crabtree would either help the team get bigger/better in the trenches or improve the pass rush which are continuing needs for this team.

I still want CB Malcolm Jenkins the most and im surprised he's not on your top ten. Sanchez, Crabtree and Stafford shouldnt even be mentioned for us period. It looks like a repeat of 2005 in regards to QB's in my opinion. The rest I agree with but not exactly in that order but Jenkins should be in there. If Jenkins is there at 10, we should definitely draft him and then draft an OT in the 2nd round since the position is deep where as after Jenkins, the quality drops off badly.

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Free agency targets:
1. OJ Atogwe - I have a feeling he'll be an early target for us. I'd like to give Goldson and Smith an opportunity to duke it out but when a ballhawk like this is available, and we have the money, it's hard to pass. Smith can remain at corner and Goldson can be a platoon guy.

2. Vernon Carey - We'll give it a shot, but the money may be out of our desired range. Someone may ask him to play left tackle and pay him accordingly.

3. A fullback. I'm having a hard time deciding whether the team should go with an older, pure power blocking FB (Neal, Richardson) or a younger guy who can also tote the ball (Weaver). Weaver would be a good guy to give a few carries...Rathman may help him actually. That'd be a fine signing. It killed me when he burned us for two huge TDs last year.

4. Mark Tauscher - Not the best long term option at RT, but a good enough one to play well for a couple years until we can groom another solution. This would free us up to take Raji or a pass rusher in the early 1st.

I think that's about it for realistic, good targets for me. The team doesn't need to do a ton in FA. Just a few smart moves here and there and then get whatever they still need in the draft.

Instead of signing O.J., I would much rather see Reggie Smith moved to and start at FS because thats what his long term position will be. Carey wouldnt be bad but if we're going to pay him close to what Gross will most likely get, mine as well just go after Gross and I have no interest in Tauscher. FB wise, I wouldnt complain about Weaver whatsoever but regardless of who our starting FB will be in 2009, he sure as hell cant be worse than Keasey. UGH.

Brent · 02-10-2009, 05:41 PM

The 49ers made their first offseason moves under head coach Mike Singletary and released linebacker Tully Banta-Cain and safety Keith Lewis. Banta-Cain came to the 49ers as a free agent a couple of seasons ago. Lewis was a sixth-round pick of the 49ers in 2004. Their releases save the 49ers $2.275 million of cap room.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/...e=clayton_john

Madirishman · 02-10-2009, 05:59 PM

The other somewhat noteworthy part of the article form the link above:

"New home for QB: Bruce Gradkowski, who was released by the Cleveland Browns Monday, wasn't out of work very long. The Raiders and 49ers each put in waiver claims on him, and on Tuesday he was awarded to the Raiders. Gradkowski, who has started game when he was with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, was signed by the Browns late last season when Brady Quinn was hurt."

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This is in the highly hypothetical situation that all those other guys are gone.

Mathematically speaking, at least ONE, if not TWO of those guys would have to remain if you add Jenkins to the mix, because the list would be 11 guys, and the Niners have the 10th pick. Just thought I'd point that out. ;)

edgrenade · 02-10-2009, 06:03 PM

I would love it if we got Loadhalt in the 2nd.

Brent · 02-10-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Madirishman

The other somewhat noteworthy part of the article form the link above:

"New home for QB: Bruce Gradkowski, who was released by the Cleveland Browns Monday, wasn't out of work very long. The Raiders and 49ers each put in waiver claims on him, and on Tuesday he was awarded to the Raiders. Gradkowski, who has started game when he was with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, was signed by the Browns late last season when Brady Quinn was hurt.

They must think that Alex is the guy if they are going to bring in someone else to be the #3 or they don't think he is going re-structure... the plot thickens!

Menardo75 · 02-10-2009, 06:22 PM

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They must think that Alex is the guy if they are going to bring in someone else to be the #3 or they don't think he is going re-structure... the plot thickens!

I hope that report of Jennings getting released soon is true :)

Brent · 02-10-2009, 06:33 PM

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I hope that report of Jennings getting released soon is true :)

Undoubtedly. Why pay him that much when we all know he is going to get hurt?

chapo123 · 02-10-2009, 06:55 PM

who has all been let go of?