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Old 08-24-2012, 06:47 AM    (permalink
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every time the Rodgers/Smith conversation comes up:

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Don't be a coward Brent. Pick a side. LOL.
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So many variables that its hard to say where they both where when they would have been in the other situation. fact is that Rodgers had a "easier" transition to the NFL with sitting behind Favre with a good HC while Smith had a new OC every year with bad HC's.

Based on that i think Rodgers wouldn't have been as good as he is now while Smith might have been a better career till now.
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i laugh whenever anybody defends Alex Smith over Rodgers.
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My opinion, sad to say is... if you love Aaron Rodgers that much more than Alex Smith.... feel free to be a Packers fan. Alex Smith is the 49ers QB. Eff Aaron Rodgers!
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Interesting tidbit regarding Brandon Jacobs and the feared perception that he is a poor short-yardage runner...

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I was surprised to discover the 49ers ranked 32nd — as in last in the NFL — on third-and-short runs in 2011. San Francisco converted 27.1 percent of their attempts when running on 3rd-and-1 or 3rd-and-2. In addition, their touchdown percentage (35.3) on runs inside the 3-yard line ranked 27th.

Enter Jacobs, who converted 5 of 7 chances on third-and-short (2 yards or fewer) and was 17 of 24 on all short-yardage situations in 2011, according to Pro Football Focus. He was also 4 of 4 in short yardage in the preseason opener against the Vikings.
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/08...s-shortcoming/
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My opinion, sad to say is... if you love Aaron Rodgers that much more than Alex Smith.... feel free to be a Packers fan. Alex Smith is the 49ers QB. Eff Aaron Rodgers!
Well there is no shame in giving credit where it's due. I love Aaron Rodgers the player, and I wish we had him, but we don't. Doesn't mean I love the Packers though. Smith will have to be our stop gap until we can upgrade the position. Either that or Smith magically becomes an All-Pro which I don't see happening.

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I wonder where the 49ers ranked in the passing game on third downs overall.

Can you find that for me? Just curious.
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Well there is no shame in giving credit where it's due.
Then please feel free to give some to your favorite team's QB. He deserves some.

Love ya, Ness but a Smith vs Rodgers debate after last season and the hopes of this offseason are really sour to me.
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Then please feel free to give some to your favorite team's QB. He deserves some.

Love ya, Ness but a Smith vs Rodgers debate after last season and the hopes of this offseason are really sour to me.
He played okay. Sorry my friend, I'm used to the days of Steve Young, and even Jeff Garcia if I have to say so. Quarterbacks that could just take over games and straight up dominate passing for 300 plus yards on less than 40 attempts while having four touchdowns. That's a real quarterback.

Obviously Smith isn't the main problem, but there is a reason why he only got a three year deal instead of those inflated seven year contracts that Brees, Brady, and even Fitzpatrick get. As of this moment he's a game manager. He's not the kind of guy that will carry a team offensively through an entire season if the defense is middle of the pack and the run game falters. He isn't the franchise. We could be doing a lot worse I'll say that. I hate to rain on your parade, but it's how I see it. I hope he certainly proves me wrong, but he has a long way to go...assuming he ever gets there which I have doubts about.
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He played okay. Sorry my friend, I'm used to the days of Steve Young, and even Jeff Garcia if I have to say so. Quarterbacks that could just take over games and straight up dominate passing for 300 plus yards on less than 40 attempts while having four touchdowns. That's a real quarterback.

Obviously Smith isn't the main problem, but there is a reason why he only got a three year deal instead of those inflated seven year contracts that Brees, Brady, and even Fitzpatrick get. As of this moment he's a game manager. He's not the kind of guy that will carry a team offensively through an entire season if the defense is middle of the pack and the run game falters. He isn't the franchise. We could be doing a lot worse I'll say that. I hate to rain on your parade, but it's how I see it. I hope he certainly proves me wrong, but he has a long way to go...assuming he ever gets there which I have doubts about.
Don'tplay the "I'm used to Steve Young" card. I'm used to the days of Joe Montana and Steve Young. It shouldn't affect how I feel about my favorite team's QB 15-25 years later.

It's callled being spoiled and using that as an excuse whenever a QB isn't playing like a 1st ballot HOFer.

I'm not asking you to like Alex Smith. I'm asking that you save the drama about finding an opportunity to passive-aggressively bash your team's QB after they were in the NFC Championship game and are a common favorite to win it all in 2012.

It's sour grapes without any foreseeable way for your opinion to change. If he did all of the things you want (which he has already crushed many of the things you used to say he'd NEVER do) then you'd just come up with another list of ideals you'd want in your QB that he doesn't fulfill.
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I wonder where the 49ers ranked in the passing game on third downs overall.

Can you find that for me? Just curious.
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/t...e=NFL&rank=098
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Don'tplay the "I'm used to Steve Young" card. I'm used to the days of Joe Montana and Steve Young. It shouldn't affect how I feel about my favorite team's QB 15-25 years later.

It's callled being spoiled and using that as an excuse whenever a QB isn't playing like a 1st ballot HOFer.

I'm not asking you to like Alex Smith. I'm asking that you save the drama about finding an opportunity to passive-aggressively bash your team's QB after they were in the NFC Championship game and are a common favorite to win it all in 2012.

It's sour grapes without any foreseeable way for your opinion to change. If he did all of the things you want (which he has already crushed many of the things you used to say he'd NEVER do) then you'd just come up with another list of ideals you'd want in your QB that he doesn't fulfill.
This!!!! Stop making so much sense!
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#12 in NFC on 3rd down passing conversions, #23 overall.
#16 in NFC on 3rd and <3 yards, #32 overall.
#11 in NFC on 3rd and 3-7 yards, #23 overall.
#11 in NFC on 3rd and 8+ yards, #20 overall.
#12 in % First Downs/Attempt, #20 overall.
Here's the links for rushing stats on 3rd down...

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/t...e=NFL&rank=016

Yet they ranked 10th overall in rushing 1st downs. Just can't convert the short ones. Smith's 3rd down % was actually higher than the short-yardage rushing conversion % but many still believe 3rd down was an Alex Smith problem. Clearly it was a team problem.
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Don'tplay the "I'm used to Steve Young" card. I'm used to the days of Joe Montana and Steve Young. It shouldn't affect how I feel about my favorite team's QB 15-25 years later.

It's callled being spoiled and using that as an excuse whenever a QB isn't playing like a 1st ballot HOFer.

I'm not asking you to like Alex Smith. I'm asking that you save the drama about finding an opportunity to passive-aggressively bash your team's QB after they were in the NFC Championship game and are a common favorite to win it all in 2012.

It's sour grapes without any foreseeable way for your opinion to change. If he did all of the things you want (which he has already crushed many of the things you used to say he'd NEVER do) then you'd just come up with another list of ideals you'd want in your QB that he doesn't fulfill.
Why not use that card? As as fan you should be used to greatness at the position that provides your team the best chance to win every year. So you're going to tolerate less as a fan just because they're you're team? Newsflash you can still be a fan without being a homer. There is nothing wrong about being objective about your team's current situation good or bad.

You're acting like I have a bias and would never support anything Alex will or has ever done. This isn't true. But I'm not going to pretend like he's playing better than he actually is, until he proves it on a consistent basis. Even Scott Mitchell had one good season in the NFL. A lot of players had one good moment or year.

You can it being spoiled as a fan. I call it wanting continued success year after year for my team. And the only that realistically is going to happen is consistently good play at the quarterback position. Sue me.

By the way Alex doesn't have to play like a 1st ballot Hall of Famer. Just someone that convert their fair share of third downs and not have to depend on a running game, special teams unit, and shut down defense to be successful. Someone that has the potential to even make the friggin Pro Bowl for crying out loud.

Again, I'll support Alex when he plays well, but I'm not ready to crown his ass just because he was in the NFC Championship game. The man still has A LOT to prove.

Sorry my friend, but my opinion is the facts. If you have an issue with that, well...

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**** that.. we don't have to see Rogers. He has to see this defense!
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Yet they ranked 10th overall in rushing 1st downs. Just can't convert the short ones. Smith's 3rd down % was actually higher than the short-yardage rushing conversion % but many still believe 3rd down was an Alex Smith problem. Clearly it was a team problem.
Well Alex is a part of the team. But if you take rushing out of the equation and just compare the passing third down percentage where did he rank amongst his peers? This would be more an evaluation of him.
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What are you trying to get out of us? Rogers is better than Smith. OK he is, thank you captain obvious! He DID win a sb.. we all watched it. But, hes not on our team nor will he ever be so **** him. He's a great qb that was put in a great position, no doubt, but he's not on our team so I don't support him. Alex Smith for MVP 2012!!
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What are you trying to get out of us? Rogers is better than Smith. OK he is, thank you captain obvious! He DID win a sb.. we all watched it. But, hes not on our team nor will he ever be so **** him. He's a great qb that was put in a great position, no doubt, but he's not on our team so I don't support him. Alex Smith for MVP 2012!!
LOL. This discussion moved beyond Rodgers a while back. I was talking with phlysac about something which evolved into basic support for a player on your team. My point is that I'm not going to bend over and act like Smith is better than what he really is until he proves it on a consistent basis. Doesn't matter if he was in the NFC Championship game. How many scrub quarterbacks have been there in the NFL's history? My standards are higher. But I guess that makes me a hater and apparently my fan association is in jeopardy. Being objective FTL.
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LOL. This discussion moved beyond Rodgers a while back. I was talking with phlysac about something which evolved into basic support for a player on your team. My point is that I'm not going to bend over and act like Smith is better than what he really is until he proves it on a consistent basis. Doesn't matter if he was in the NFC Championship game. How many scrub quarterbacks have been there in the NFL's history? My standards are higher. But I guess that makes me a hater and apparently my fan association is in jeopardy. Being objective FTL.
Objectivity is recognizing both the good AND the bad. You have a "I don't think he can" approach. That's not objectivity. It's pessimism.
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Well Alex is a part of the team. But if you take rushing out of the equation and just compare the passing third down percentage where did he rank amongst his peers? This would be more an evaluation of him.
Third down passing was bad, Ness. I agree. But 3rd down rushing was WORSE!!! So it's NOT an Alex Smith problem. It's a 3rd down TEAM problem.

You aren't being "objective" and bashing the offensive line and running backs for their putrid 3rd down numbers. Just being "objective" in bashing Alex Smith's 3rd down numbers. I'm assuming then, that you are just being "objective."
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Objectivity is recognizing both the good AND the bad. You have a "I don't think he can" approach. That's not objectivity. It's pessimism.
No it's objectivity. From what I've observed up to this point he hasn't shown that he can succeed on consistent basis unless everything is working for him. I'm NOT saying that he'll never turn it around or can't. But as of now I'm not going to crown him. There is a reason everyone slights him as a game manager and there is a reason why he only got a three year deal.
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If Alex Smith went to the Packers he could very well be out of the NFL right now.
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Smith will have to be our stop gap until we can upgrade the position. Either that or Smith magically becomes an All-Pro which I don't see happening.
Your objectivity caused you to state that Alex Smith would in no way be back in 2011. And if he were to come back it would be "awful for the franchise and humiliating."

Your objectivity caused you to state that you had no idea why Nate Davis was cut and Alex Smith was re-signed.

Your objectivity caused you to say this...

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Alex will never be a good quarterback. I'm willing to bet you 100 dollars that within the next five years he won't do anything significant anywhere.
Your objectivity caused you to say that Alex Smith wasn't even "average." You said that he was "downright terrible."


I don't feel I need to go on with how consistently "objective" you've been in your opinion of Alex Smith.
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We all get it. You're not a fan of your favorite team's QB. We all know it. Unless he puts up video game numbers consistently for several years you will not waver. I'm fine with that. It's your opinion, and you're absolutely entitled to it.

All we're asking is to not passively, yet dramatically find ways to reiterate your opinion of him while disguising it under a cloak of "objectivity."

I'd be much more comfortable if you just said something like, "I really don't like him, and it'd be damn near impossible for him to change my opinion."
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Your objectivity caused you to state that Alex Smith would in no way be back in 2011. And if he were to come back it would be "awful for the franchise and humiliating."

Your objectivity caused you to state that you had no idea why Nate Davis was cut and Alex Smith was re-signed.

Your objectivity caused you to say this...



Your objectivity caused you to say that Alex Smith wasn't even "average." You said that he was "downright terrible."


I don't feel I need to go on with how consistently "objective" you've been in your opinion of Alex Smith.
So you're going to take something that was said two years ago and try to run with it to make a point? Yeah, because people's opinions never change.

I'm telling you how I feel about Alex Smith up to this point as of right now based on what I've seen recently. That should be all that matters.

You can keep going back and wasting your time digging through comments that are two years old. I'm sure I could find something that you had a completely different opinion about that far back than you do now if I wanted to actually waste my time.
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I can end this discussion easily.

Arguing with Ness about Smith is like everyone here arguing with me about T.O.

Quite simply, nothing more than a waste of everyone's time.
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