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We all get it. You're not a fan of your favorite team's QB. We all know it. Unless he puts up video game numbers consistently for several years you will not waver. I'm fine with that. It's your opinion, and you're absolutely entitled to it.

All we're asking is to not passively, yet dramatically find ways to reiterate your opinion of him while disguising it under a cloak of "objectivity."

I'd be much more comfortable if you just said something like, "I really don't like him, and it'd be damn near impossible for him to change my opinion."
He doesn't have to put up video game numbers. Aikman and McNair didn't. Just show the ability to dominate without the assistance of a knock out special team's unit, ground game, and defense that basically make the world a whole lot easier. Basically have success without EVERYTHING having to be in perfect order for him to succeed. Also not have every game come down to the wire in the 4th quarter after getting boatloads of chances the previous three from the other units.

Like I said, there is a reason why people slight him as a game manager and he only got a three year deal. The front office even went after Peyton Manning. How genuine is their faith in Alex? Is he even making more money than Flynn? I don't think money was even an issue for Alex personally, it was the commitment factor to him according to Matt Barrows who believes Alex was initially disappointed in the faith from the 49ers. Of course Alex came back because no one else was going to pay him and he didn't want to be in another system again. He had no choice but to take a three year deal.

So obviously I'm not the only one that believes he isn't the key to the franchise or might not ever be one. And as a 49ers fan, I don't think I should be entitled to put lipstick on a pig just because they are my team. Dashon Goldon is a decent safety, but I'm not going to holler that he deserves All Pro honors because he plays for the 49ers.

As for my objectivity, I don't know what you want me to say that would be aesthetically pleasing to your ears. Watching Alex play last year, he improved, but I wasn't that impressed with his performances from week to week. The team is better, but I'm still going to need a world of convincing to change my opinion on the matter. I'll support him if he does well, but if he doesn't I will bust his balls for it. I have that right as a fan that won't simply get on my knees just because he happens to be on the team.

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Third down passing was bad, Ness. I agree. But 3rd down rushing was WORSE!!! So it's NOT an Alex Smith problem. It's a 3rd down TEAM problem.

You aren't being "objective" and bashing the offensive line and running backs for their putrid 3rd down numbers. Just being "objective" in bashing Alex Smith's 3rd down numbers. I'm assuming then, that you are just being "objective."
I'm just passing the notion that Alex may be apart of the problem. I believe I've stating my feelings on the offensive line a while back. Some quarterbacks have an ability to make their offensive lines look worse or better though. Our right guard position was terrible and Anthony Davis wasn't that great along with Goodwin. Regardless, I've seen quarterbacks with worse offensive lines look fantastic. So it's a wild card for me.

The rushing numbers on third and short were bad, but that is irrelevant for passing the ball on third down. I'm not talking about third and short. I'm talking about third and long when your quarterback needs to get you a conversion and move the chains instead of taking a sack or overthrowing a wide open receiver. The Cowboys also sucked on third downs, and their offensive line sucks. Yet Romo still played well every season because of his natural ability as a passer. Which is why Dallas still ranked 8th in the league on third down conversions through the air despite their problems on the offensive line and converting on third and short via the ground.
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I don't want to argue anymore, brotha. We both want him to be ridiculously good as a 49er.

Bring on the Broncos!
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Agreed. I'll try to be more open minded in the future regarding Alex Smith.
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Agreed. I'll try to be more open minded in the future regarding Alex Smith.
And like I said... I really don't care if you're pessimistic about him, just be more "just" when you decide to call his ability into question. Mentioning that the 49ers open against the Packers isn't the appropriate time to question Alex Smith, especially when the team is so good.

Now if he plays poorly, that's one thing. But just out of the blue without provocation screams agenda...

... and I don't want to think of you as Greg Cosell. ;)
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Kaepernick has looked really good today. That throw to Reuland was really good, where he evaded pressure and threw across his left side. Really unnatural and a good strike under pressue. Good catch by Reuland too. Only bad pass was a deep strike on his first throw.

Dixon has also made a case to stay on the team. Then Cartwight broke free for a 20 yard run.

Biggest disappointments- 1st team Secondary, 1st team pass rush (even with blitzes we Manning had all day, even when he didn't release quick), and 1st team O as a whole. One explosive play and then terrible throughout. 142 QBR for Alex is very misleading. OL struggled. Gore looked slow and IMO started to decline heavily last year. Might decline again.

Basically, our entire 1st team O and D looked shaky, besides our run D (which was only OK though). For all the hoopla, our 1st team passing O looks average at best. 1 explosive play to VD and a lot of struggling otherwise. Although i think our 1st team O would look better with Hunter at this point.

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Aldon Smith might be more important than I previously thought. This is the second straight game that getting pressure on the quarterback with our starting unit has been a problem, and it's the second straight game that Aldon has missed snaps with the starting unit. He's obviously a good player, but I'm hoping that if he does get hurt down the line it won't be the end of the world for our front seven.
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Aldon Smith might be more important than I previously thought. This is the second straight game that getting pressure on the quarterback with our starting unit has been a problem, and it's the second straight game that Aldon has missed snaps with the starting unit. He's obviously a good player, but I'm hoping that if he does get hurt down the line it won't be the end of the world for our front seven.
And they don't blitz or run stunts with the 1st team. Missing Smith, Brooks, Bowman etc for the majority of snaps.

Relax a bit.
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I didn't say we would suck ass in the regular season brah, just pointing out poor preseason play. Why don't you tell me what you specifically disagreed with.
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I didn't say we would suck ass in the regular season brah, just pointing out poor preseason play. Why don't you tell me what you specifically disagreed with.
I didn't really agree with much of anything.

Defense - Everything is vanilla. No blitz schemes, no stunts, no disguised coverages, no Aldon smith/NaVorro Bowman/Chris Culliver.

Offense - Everything is vaniilla. Two pass plays beyond 10 yards. One resulted in a TD. Scored 10 points in 3 possessions. Staley and Miller missed big blocks but that stuff happens. Gore may be slower (not sure he is) but Hunter surely isn't. James surely isn't.

Also... Peyton Manning's Colts teams were winless nearly every year in Preseason. Saints and Packers SB years were winless in preseason. Lions were 4-0 and 0-16. Did you see how absolutely terrible the Patriots offense looked? Doubt they'll be a poor offensive team.

Things can always improve. But preseason doesn't translate to regular season.
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I didn't really agree with much of anything.

Defense - Everything is vanilla. No blitz schemes, no stunts, no disguised coverages, no Aldon smith/NaVorro Bowman/Chris Culliver.

Offense - Everything is vaniilla. Two pass plays beyond 10 yards. One resulted in a TD. Scored 10 points in 3 possessions. Staley and Miller missed big blocks but that stuff happens. Gore may be slower (not sure he is) but Hunter surely isn't. James surely isn't.

Also... Peyton Manning's Colts teams were winless nearly every year in Preseason. Saints and Packers SB years were winless in preseason. Lions were 4-0 and 0-16. Did you see how absolutely terrible the Patriots offense looked? Doubt they'll be a poor offensive team.

Things can always improve. But preseason doesn't translate to regular season.
I agree, which is why i didn't say "OMG 49ers suck again" or some random BS. I think most issues will get worked on/fixed by Week 1, like last preseason. I even said as much in the general preseason week 3 thread in the NFL forum.

Only thing i am worried about for the regular season is 1st team passing O. They don't get the benefit of the doubt. And thats not bagging on Alex only, that includes the poor OL protection and WR's too.

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I agree, which is why i didn't say "OMG 49ers suck again" or some random BS. I think most issues will get worked on/fixed by Week 1, like last preseason. I even said as much in the general preseason week 3 thread in the NFL forum.

Only thing i am worried about for the regular season is 1st team passing O. They don't get the benefit of the doubt. And thats not bagging on Alex only, that includes the poor OL protection and WR's too.
At the same time it's easy to be hypercritical. The 1st team O has scored on 5 of 8 possessions this preseason. They've done that will a very vanilla scheme and zero gameplanning. Breakdowns in protection/blocking this game... Miller missed a cut block on Von Miller. Fix it, but Miller is legit. Staley missed a cut block on Dumerville. Fix it, but Dumerville lead the NFL in sacks in 2010.

The rust is perfect for learning and growing. I'd prefer rustiness to complacency.
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Sounds like Harbaugh's not happy with the O today

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Sounds like Harbaugh's not happy with the O today



https://twitter.com/CGin49ers/status/239872591924453376
Lucky that it was blown coverage, yes. But that's the name of the game. Taking advantage of other team's mistakes.

But I hope Harbaugh doesn't let up. Always improve. Always try to be great.
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http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-s...99&feedID=5936

Even if we aren't throwing that many blitzes in, this is still quite sad.
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Even if we aren't throwing that many blitzes in, this is still quite sad.
Projected starters have played 5 or 6 possessions. Aldon Smith has played 2. Ahmad Brooks has played 3.

That's the equivalent of one half of football. One half of football without blitzes, stunts, or disguised coverages. Not sad at all.
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It's as simple as this...



which is it?
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Come on you're telling me the 49ers haven't sent any blitzes in this preseason? They've sent a decent amount (at least five rushers) on several occasions with their starting unit.

Last season they depended on their defensive lines getting a good amount of pressure too without always sending the house a la Greg Williams. But just from one on ones, the defensive starters aren't getting much of a push. There really isn't an excuse for that. They just aren't playing well. I'm of course giving Just Smith and Ray McDonald the benefit of the doubt heading into the season, but I just haven't been impressed with what I've seen with one on one's.
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which is it?
It's a two toned empty cup.

J/k.

Haven't watched the game yet, but I'm not worried about this too much. There's no point wasting all of the team's effort and energy in winning preseason games when they don't count.
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Considering Harbaugh is paranoid about practice to the point that the Niners use the furthest field from where the beat writers can see, I imagine that in a preseason game, he's even less likely to show the slightest hint at what they've got in the playbook.
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Come on you're telling me the 49ers haven't sent any blitzes in this preseason? They've sent a decent amount (at least five rushers) on several occasions with their starting unit.

Last season they depended on their defensive lines getting a good amount of pressure too without always sending the house a la Greg Williams. But just from one on ones, the defensive starters aren't getting much of a push. There really isn't an excuse for that. They just aren't playing well. I'm of course giving Just Smith and Ray McDonald the benefit of the doubt heading into the season, but I just haven't been impressed with what I've seen with one on one's.
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This all, of course, could be as meaningless as these preseason games, which can disinterest fans and players alike. The 49ers, after all, aren’t game-planning for their opponents or trotting out exotic schemes. They have also had four starters – defensive tackle Justin Smith and linebackers Aldon Smith, NaVorro Bowman and Ahmad Brooks – combine to miss five games. On Sunday, Aldon Smith and Bowman were out and No. 3 cornerback Chris Culliver didn’t make the trip to Denver.
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Considering Harbaugh is paranoid about practice to the point that the Niners use the furthest field from where the beat writers can see, I imagine that in a preseason game, he's even less likely to show the slightest hint at what they've got in the playbook.
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Safety Donte Whitner suggested life wouldn’t be so easy for the Packers’ Aaron Rodgers in the regular-season opener Sept. 9 at Green Bay.

It’s going to be easy to clean up,” Whitner said. “We didn’t really game plan for this. You can really tell that they game planned for us. They did a good job on what they do. But we’re all geared up for Week 1. That’s what we’re focused on.
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/08/26/lb-brooks-on-defense-its-been-a-scary-start-to-this-point/
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Didn't Whitner also say Tolzein was "baby Drew Brees". Okay...

In any case exotic schemes or not, that still isn't an excuse for not getting push up front one on one.

By the way Whitner is the first person I'll want to hear from if it's a blowout at Lambeau. Honestly Whinter should just stop talking. I highly doubt the Broncos gameplanned for the 49ers in the preseason. He just comes off as butthurt that their first unit got owned. Yes we know you didn't gameplan for this game Whitner, but don't try to one-up the Broncos by saying they gameplanned. Just stop.
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i remember last year when the niners were destroyed by the saints in the preseason in what seemed like a ploy by Harbaugh to see a bigger portion of the saint's playbook. Preseason doesn't mean much, at least the first team threw a TD in this game. I will hold my judgement until the season starts. The team is facing a tough schedule right at the get-go so we will know what the team is made up of early.
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Whitner said the same thing after HOU beat SF 30-7 last preseason, about no gameplanning. At the time people thought he was making excuses but we were 10x better in the regular season. So i believe him.
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