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Old 03-20-2014, 11:18 PM    (permalink
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The opposite also happens when a team signs low level free agents. When the 49ers signed Wilhoite, Cook and Wright they added virtually nothing to the 49ers cap number since they move the 51st cap number player down to 52nd removing that player's cap number off the top 51. Teams don't need to worry about those bottom players' salary. Every team will only be able to keep 53 of them and the rest of them will be cut and not count towards the cap. The bottom of the roster have to fight for their job and prove their potential or value in camp and in the preseason.
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The NFL sets up the system so it doesn't do any good to cut low level veterans to save cap money before teams have to start trimming their rosters down after players have had a chance to prove themselves in the preseason.

If you cut a player somewhere in the top 51 like Baldwin who has a cap hit of $645K it will come off the books. When that happens the player who was the 52nd highest cap hit becomes the 51st so he is then counted in the top 51. In the 49ers case the 52nd highest cap hit is $570K and would be added. They would subtract $645K and add $570K for a mere $75K savings. You let those lower paid players fight it out in the preseason. Any of the players who get cut before week 1 of the season don't count towards the cap except for signing bonuses which haven't hit the cap yet.

You simply don't save money by cutting players below the top 35 or so players.
Well, this I didnt know. Appreciate the info. I'll have to remember this. There goes my plan about getting Jackson. Oh well.
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Odell Thurman, Brandin Cooks, or Marqise Lee could be drafted at a 2014 cap figure of around $1.3M which is much more manageable than DeSean Jackson at $10.5M. He is way too expensive to fit in under the cap. I don't really think any WRs outside of Megatron are worth $10M. Having one of those players would be nice, but it is far from proven that they would help the 49ers offense. A player like that only helps if you work him into the offense. We heard how James was drafted to take a Sproles role in the offense only to never really fit that role into the 49ers offensive scheme. The 49ers have 3 WR sets less often than any team in the league. If the 49ers intend on keeping either a 2nd TE or FB on the field, a 3rd WR doesn't add too much value.

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Odell Thurman, Brandin Cooks, or Marqise Lee could be drafted at a 2014 cap figure of around $1.3M which is much more manageable than DeSean Jackson at $10.5M. He is way too expensive to fit in under the cap. I don't really think any WRs outside of Megatron are worth $10M. Having one of those players would be nice, but it is far from proven that they would help the 49ers offense. A player like that only helps if you work him into the offense. We heard how James was drafted to take a Sproles role in the offense only to never really fit that role into the 49ers offensive scheme. The 49ers have 3 WR sets less often than any team in the league. If the 49ers intend on keeping either a 2nd TE or FB on the field, a 3rd WR doesn't add too much value.
The reason why James doesnt fit into the offense is because they're running too many different offenses as opposed to just sticking with one and trying to perfect it.

I agree in regards to no WR being worth more than $10m except for Calvin Johnson (and possibly A.J. Green and Josh Gordon if they continue to have great seasons) but paying a player isnt for what they've done, its for what they're expected to do which is why Kaepernick is looking for $18m a year.

Draft wise, quite honestly, if the team is going after a WR in round one, I would try to trade up for Sammy Watkins. Going to make a move, mind as well go after the best receiver prospect.
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Bruce Miller signed an extension through 2017 today. Great Move. Haven't seen the numbers yet but I think it was one of the obvious next moves they were going to make. He caught a lot of check-down passes last year but he also may be able to get some short yardage situational touches with Dixon gone should they not bring in another bigger RB through the Draft.
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Vic Fangio got a raise and an extension. Great.
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Hes fine we need Roman gone imo...
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Osgood re-signed to 1 year deal so special teams won't take too much of a hit, even with Dixon gone. Osgood was an excellent special teams player last year.
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Except that goof in I believe New Orleans was it?
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Per Maiocco we got a 3rd round comp pick. Pick 100.

So we have 6 picks in the top 100- 30, 56 (Chiefs), 61, 77 (Titans), 94, 100 (compensatory).

We also have a 4th, 5th, 7th, 7th (Saints), 7th (Panthers). Traded our 6th for Gabbert.

So 11 picks in total. Quite a bounty. I expect Baalke to do a little bit of everything- trade up, trade down, and trade for future picks. Thats what he did last year and it seems like he likes to move around the board in a number of different ways.
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Per Maiocco we got a 3rd round comp pick. Pick 100.

So we have 6 picks in the top 100- 30, 56 (Chiefs), 61, 77 (Titans), 94, 100 (compensatory).

We also have a 4th, 5th, 7th, 7th (Saints), 7th (Panthers). Traded our 6th for Gabbert.

So 11 picks in total. Quite a bounty. I expect Baalke to do a little bit of everything- trade up, trade down, and trade for future picks. Thats what he did last year and it seems like he likes to move around the board in a number of different ways.
Nice. Third round compensation pick allows us to trade away 94 and still have a draft pick six picks later.

11 total picks is great and I still feel like we got ripped off by Jacksonville. UGH. Dont know about anyone else but would love to trade up for WR Marquise Lee and then trade up again for CB Kyle Fuller. Lee and Fuller plus our third round compensation pick would be an A+ from me. :)
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Nice. Third round compensation pick allows us to trade away 94 and still have a draft pick six picks later.

11 total picks is great and I still feel like we got ripped off by Jacksonville. UGH. Dont know about anyone else but would love to trade up for WR Marquise Lee and then trade up again for CB Kyle Fuller. Lee and Fuller plus our third round compensation pick would be an A+ from me. :)
I can see scenarios where Fuller and Lee could be added without moving picks.
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Perish Cox also brought back to the team today on a 1 year deal to add to the secondary competition.

Miller's extension also freed up about $300K in salary cap, leaving the Niners with just over $4M (before the impacts of Cox's salary and when they'll gain the additional $6M+ in June from releasing Rogers).
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I believe Miller's deal was like 4 years/6.5 million or something for its total value. An absolute steal. Miller likely took a bit of a hometown discount, but he gets a little security, will probably get all 6.5 million dollars (minus taxes and agent fees, etc) and plays in an environment that maximizes his skill-set, as well as a chance to compete for rings.
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I can see scenarios where Fuller and Lee could be added without moving picks.
I can too but between 30 and 56 is a pretty big gap. I do think that at least one of them will be gone before 30 and can definitely see both being gone by 56. If Lee falls to 20, I trade up to snatch him regardless of what other receivers are still available. I wouldnt mind trading up twice to get both players but if we can snatch both at 30 and 56, that would be ******* awesome. Have to wait and see what happens come draft day.

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Perish Cox also brought back to the team today on a 1 year deal to add to the secondary competition.

Miller's extension also freed up about $300K in salary cap, leaving the Niners with just over $4M (before the impacts of Cox's salary and when they'll gain the additional $6M+ in June from releasing Rogers).
Yes!!! I'm happy that they brought back Cox. He should easily beat out Wright and possibly Cook as well. With this move though, I definitely see us going after a WR in round one. Just comes down to which WR and at what spot.

While getting that extra $6m+ in cap room will be great, I would have preferred the team releasing Rogers outright and taking the full cap hit this year instead of spreading it out over two years.

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I believe Miller's deal was like 4 years/6.5 million or something for its total value. An absolute steal. Miller likely took a bit of a hometown discount, but he gets a little security, will probably get all 6.5 million dollars (minus taxes and agent fees, etc) and plays in an environment that maximizes his skill-set, as well as a chance to compete for rings.
Agreed. Great extension by Baalke.
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For some reason i really can't see us trading up for a Lee or a Fuller with the amount of good receiver and corner prospects. Unless we really go all out and trade in the 5-15 range i would stay put and see what comes to us or maybe move up 1 or 2 spots depending on how it shakes out. Receiver and Corner are the deepest positions in this class and the difference will be mostly decided by scheme fit.

There is really only 6 guys i would trade up for big and that is Dennard, Gilbert, Watkins, Evans, Clinton-Dix and Pryor. The rest its really not worth it for me.
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Bruce Miller coming back was huge. His role was expanded last year and he played very well. It was noticeable when he was not on the field.

As for the draft I really think Mike Evans is the guy they need to and will get. Evans can be the vertical and jump ball threat that the Niners offense needs. Not a burner by any means but very good speed. Also has a 6'7" wingspan on his 6'5" frame and we have seen Baalke loves long wingspans. Between his length and speed he can be the vertical guy that they need. They made need to give up three maybe four draft picks, but if he's the guy then it is worth it. I know the Falcons are not complaining about what they gave up for Julio Jones.
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Bruce Miller coming back was huge. His role was expanded last year and he played very well. It was noticeable when he was not on the field.

As for the draft I really think Mike Evans is the guy they need to and will get. Evans can be the vertical and jump ball threat that the Niners offense needs. Not a burner by any means but very good speed. Also has a 6'7" wingspan on his 6'5" frame and we have seen Baalke loves long wingspans. Between his length and speed he can be the vertical guy that they need. They made need to give up three maybe four draft picks, but if he's the guy then it is worth it. I know the Falcons are not complaining about what they gave up for Julio Jones.
Problem is Evans is nowehere near the freakish athlete Julio is. Nice, big target with some intangibles but Julio he is not.

I would be extremely upset if Baalke wasted picks to move up for any WR in this draft. The talent just isn't there. There is no AJ Green/Julio Jones type in this class. A guy you just KNOW is destined to be a problem in the pros. Much rather he wait until the 2nd or 3rd and see what value he can get. I still say Moncrief is going the best WR out of this enitre draft class had he can be had staying pat@30. Might even be there in the second.

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Problem is Evans is nowehere near the freakish athlete Julio is. Nice, big target with some intangibles but Julio he is not.

I would be extremely upset if Baalke wasted picks to move up for any WR in this draft. The talent just isn't there. There is no AJ Green/Julio Jones type in this class. A guy you just KNKW is destined to be a problem in the prods. Much rather he wait until the 2nd or 3rd and see what value he can get. I still say Moncrief is going the best WR out of this enitre draft class had he can be had staying pat@30. Might even be there in the second.
Evans might end up better than Jones or Green. He looks like a matchup nightmare and the next Vincent Jackson. If we move up to nab him and he ends up becoming that would you really be disappointed? I think it's worth it. Especially since we have 6 picks in the first 100 selections. This group of core players won't be together much longer. You don't have to acquire 10+ picks every single offseason. There is a time and a place not to be conservative in the draft. This may be one of those times.
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Problem is Evans is nowehere near the freakish athlete Julio is. Nice, big target with some intangibles but Julio he is not.

I would be extremely upset if Baalke wasted picks to move up for any WR in this draft. The talent just isn't there. There is no AJ Green/Julio Jones type in this class. A guy you just KNKW is destined to be a problem in the prods. Much rather he wait until the 2nd or 3rd and see what value he can get. I still say Moncrief is going the best WR out of this enitre draft class had he can be had staying pat@30. Might even be there in the second.
There is nobody like Mike Evans in this class. Moncrief looks like DHB all over to me. Big athletic, but doesn't have natural hands and body catches everything. I don't think the conservative approach is going to fix this need for San Francisco. Go get him.
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Evans might end up better than Jones or Green. He looks like a matchup nightmare and the next Vincent Jackson. If we move up to nab him and he ends up becoming that would you really be disappointed? I think it's worth it. Especially since we have 6 picks in the first 100 selections. This group of core players won't be together much longer. You don't have to acquire 10+ picks every single offseason. There is a time and a place not to be conservative in the draft. This may be one of those times.
Isn't my place obviously...but I was amazed when I saw Menardo posted on here again.

I dont think hes on par or will be better than either of those 2 but he would absolutely be an X factor and big weapon in the 9ers offense. He offers something that you guys don't have outside of Boldin, and even they are quite different. Evans is going to be a stud in this league, and while I dont think they will have to give up quite as much, or go up quite as high...I think he is worth going up to get....

....and to be honest, if you guys don't. I could really see Seattle looking into it as well.
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Evans might end up better than Jones or Green. He looks like a matchup nightmare and the next Vincent Jackson. If we move up to nab him and he ends up becoming that would you really be disappointed? I think it's worth it. Especially since we have 6 picks in the first 100 selections. This group of core players won't be together much longer. You don't have to acquire 10+ picks every single offseason. There is a time and a place not to be conservative in the draft. This may be one of those times.
Evans better than Jones or Green? If you say so. Just beacsue your tall and have decent speed doesn't make you Vincent Jackson, who had sub 4.4 speed coming out of college may I remind you. I don't see what everyone else sees with Evans. To me he is Malcom Flyod....a nice complimet WR, but not a number 1. And if Baalke whiffs on Evans, you and the rest of the fanbase will be one of the first to bash him and talk about how he can't draft WRs so the question is can you live with it? Our WR corps needs a vertical threat to compliment the WRs we already have, not a big redzone target. With the Osgood saying, what rookie is going to realistically see snaps on Sunday? We rarely run 3-WRs. You have Boldin and Crabs getting the bulk of the snaps with probably Patton getting the majority of the work as the 3rd WR. Makes no sense to move up and draft a player who probably won't be used all that much. That's just how I see it.
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There is nobody like Mike Evans in this class. Moncrief looks like DHB all over to me. Big athletic, but doesn't have natural hands and body catches everything. I don't think the conservative approach is going to fix this need for San Francisco. Go get him.
It's about talent evaluation, not being conservative. If I thought Evans was as talented as Green I would totally agree with you...but I don't. I have no problem with Baalke moving up, just move up for the right prospect. And no rookie WR is going come in and set the world on fire in this offense. Not until the offensive philosophy changes.
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Evans better than Jones or Green? If you say so. Just beacsue your tall and have decent speed doesn't make you Vincent Jackson, who had sub 4.4 speed coming out of college may I remind you. I don't see what everyone else sees with Evans. To me he is Malcom Flyod....a nice complimet WR, but not a number 1. And if Baalke whiffs on Evans, you and the rest of the fanbase will be one of the first to bash him and talk about how he can't draft WRs so the question is can you live with it? Our WR corps needs a vertical threat to compliment the WRs we already have, not a big redzone target. With the Osgood saying, what rookie is going to realistically see snaps on Sunday? We rarely run 3-WRs. You have Boldin and Crabs getting the bulk of the snaps with probably Patton getting the majority of the work as the 3rd WR. Makes no sense to move up and draft a player who probably won't be used all that much. That's just how I see it.
Well I didn't say that is the only reason why he may end up being better. It's not just his size. And if Baalke misses, I could live with it because Mike Evans at this moment in time is thought to be one of the top two receivers in this draft class and a true difference maker. It's not the same situation with someone like AJ Jenkins.

Sure we need a vertical threat. We also need someone who has hops and can get a jump ball since we have knack to throw those once we get in the redzone. Especially with Seattle's defensive backs. And I don't see why Evans can't be a vertical threat. And even if someone like Evans doesn't play much in 2014, we have Boldin who is really at the end of his rope and Crabtree who I don't think will becoming back. We could be without our two receivers realistically at the end of the 2014 season. If we were going to redshirt a highly touted rookie, this would be the season to do so.
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