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Old 03-07-2007, 12:27 PM    (permalink
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1. Calvin Johnson
2. LaRon Landry
3. Jamaal Anderson
4. Joe Thomas
5. Alan Branch
6. Amobi Okoye
7. Brandon Meriweather
8. Chris Houston
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1. Calvin Johnson
2. Gaines Adams
3. Joe Thomas
4. Jamaal Anderson
5. Brady Quinn
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1. CJ
2. LaRon Landry
3. Amobi Okoye

thats all i care about lol
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Whoa too much Brady Quinn love. He will be a great QB but it seems like you guys have forgotten how good Simms still is. CK16 knows what I'm talking about.

To remind you all, we do have needs-QB isn't one of them.
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1. Joe Thomas
2. Calvin Johnson
3. Brady Quinn
4. Gaines Adams
5. Laron Landry

As far as Quinn goes, he is a definite improvement over Simms, who is likely relegated to back-up for the next two years. This is hopefully as high as we pick for the near future, and this may be our shot at a true "Franchise" QB. Simms would likely fetch a day 1 pick in a trade.
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1. Calvin Johnson
2. LaRon Landry
3. Jamaal Anderson
4. Joe Thomas
5. Alan Branch
6. Amobi Okoye
7. Brandon Meriweather
8. Chris Houston
9. Gaines Adams
10. Ryan Kalil
So if we picked 7th overall, you would want to take Meriweather?

I assume not, but isnt that what a big board is?
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So if we picked 7th overall, you would want to take Meriweather?

I assume not, but isnt that what a big board is?
Yes I would. It's rankings of the top players you want for your team. His consensus value might not be higher than late first round, but he is the 7th bets player for our team IMO. Same deal with Kalil. If you think a 7th round prospect is better than anyone else, he could be in your top 10 too.
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1. CJ
2. Thomas
3. Gaines
4. Quinn - Simms is a decent QB at best, you can't say Simms is great or Gruden wouldn't have brought in 2 old veteran mediocre QBs.
5. Landry
6. Oko
7. Anderson
8. Branch

For teams draft board would they also put a score next to each player? Because slots alone doesn't accuratly reflect how each player rates to the others. Theres only 1 difference between CJ and Thomas, and between Anderson and Branch but theres a much bigger diffence in skill for 1-2 than 7-8.
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3. CJ
4. Okoye
5. Quinn
6. Anderson
7. Branch
8. Landry
9. Levi Brown
10. Kalil
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7. Branch
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That's pretty high for Thomas & Brown considering the signing of Petitgout. We don't need 3 young tackles.
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That's it for the first round, really.
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That's pretty high for Thomas & Brown considering the signing of Petitgout. We don't need 3 young tackles.
Who is the 3rd? Petitgout?

Joe Thomas would be an outstanding selection, and if he is good enough to start day 1, Petitgout could play LG.
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Buenning is a fine LG, and the three young tackles would be Davis, Trueblood & Thomas/Brown. You could make it four if you count Chris Colmer. The point is that we are not gonna take any LTs at all this year. Petitgout and Davis make up that spot, but we still have a hole at RT behind Trueblood after releasing Kenyatta. Obviously we could upgrade our tackles, but if you think from a realistic draft standpoint, that won't happen. We are not gonna pass up any of the main 4 D-Linemen for a LT. If we did draft a LT, we would have to cut Davis who was our starter all of last year and he is young so it makes no sense.
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i think of thomas was available at 4 we would try and get as much as we could out of a team like arizona, and move back
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Yes I would. It's rankings of the top players you want for your team. His consensus value might not be higher than late first round, but he is the 7th bets player for our team IMO. Same deal with Kalil. If you think a 7th round prospect is better than anyone else, he could be in your top 10 too.
I think the point of a 1st round draft boad is for players that you intend on picking with your 1st pick in the draft. You realistically wouldn't have 7th round prospects in your 1st round big board, and all the Bucs really need is 4 players in their list.
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1a - CJ
1b - Quinn
I'm finding it difficult to choose? CJ is obviously an incredable talent, but looking at the current situation, to allow Quinn to sit behind Garcia for a year, would IMO, be the perfect synario for the future of our franchise.

3 - Thomas

The three above are who I would pick using our #4 over all pick in the 1st.

If we traded down.

4 - Okoye
5 - Adams
6 - Landry
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Brady Quinn could potentially be the franchise QB the Buccaneers franchise has never really had, but with Grudens coaching future undetermined I am unsure of how it would work out.
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I'm finding it difficult to choose? CJ is obviously an incredable talent, but looking at the current situation, to allow Quinn to sit behind Garcia for a year, would IMO, be the perfect synario for the future of our franchise.
Goddamit Chris Simms is the future of our franchise. Our line has improved and as long as he stays healthy he will be solid all year and he will get an extension. If we draft CJ I will go as far as to say he will be a Pro Bowler. If Romo can be one despite having a couple bad games and missing a few others, Simms can. In the long run Quinn will be better, but by how much?. Having Simms & CJ is a lot better than Quinn & Clayton, I think you all can agree on that.
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4.Amobi Okoye
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6.Jaamal Anderson
7.Gaines Adams
8.Eric Weddle (for a 2nd rounder)
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Goddamit Chris Simms is the future of our franchise. Our line has improved and as long as he stays healthy he will be solid all year and he will get an extension. If we draft CJ I will go as far as to say he will be a Pro Bowler. If Romo can be one despite having a couple bad games and missing a few others, Simms can. In the long run Quinn will be better, but by how much?. Having Simms & CJ is a lot better than Quinn & Clayton, I think you all can agree on that.
if you think simms is the future of the franchise, then you know nothing about this team

Simms obviously doesnt fit into our system, we need a little more mobile QB that has more than one skill of just chucking the ball down the field, if CJ and JT were gone, I would love for us to pick up Quinn

Simms is not the future, sorry to break it to yeah, but unless our offensive scheme changes he doesnt fit here
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if you think simms is the future of the franchise, then you know nothing about this team

Simms obviously doesnt fit into our system, we need a little more mobile QB that has more than one skill of just chucking the ball down the field, if CJ and JT were gone, I would love for us to pick up Quinn

Simms is not the future, sorry to break it to yeah, but unless our offensive scheme changes he doesnt fit here
Mhm I know nothing about this team......you are ********

We drafted him because he fits our system. His mobility is fine, and we need our QBs to chuck the ball down the field, that's why Gradkowski was so disappointing. You know nothing about this team, because you have no clue what our "system" is, and you have no clue who Chris Simms is. As a young QB he got thrown into the fire and played admirably two years ago behind one of the worst lines with basically one target to throw to. He led us to the playoffs in a tough division and played well against the Redskins. It's not his fault that those passes were tipped or that Edell Shepherd can't catch, but you probably wouldn't know that because you have probably never even seen a Bucs game live. Chris Simms has all the tools needed to be a great QB, and with an improved supporting cast he will make idiots like you eat your words. Why do you think that even after his spleen injury we brought him back? Why do you think teams have been inquiring constantly about trading for him for the past 2 years? Because he is the future of our franchise.

Sorry to break it to ya, but you know nothing about this team or the game of football.
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We drafted him because he fits our system. His mobility is fine, and we need our QBs to chuck the ball down the field, that's why Gradkowski was so disappointing. You know nothing about this team, because you have no clue what our "system" is, and you have no clue who Chris Simms is. As a young QB he got thrown into the fire and played admirably two years ago behind one of the worst lines with basically one target to throw to. He led us to the playoffs in a tough division and played well against the Redskins. It's not his fault that those passes were tipped or that Edell Shepherd can't catch, but you probably wouldn't know that because you have probably never even seen a Bucs game live. Chris Simms has all the tools needed to be a great QB, and with an improved supporting cast he will make idiots like you eat your words. Why do you think that even after his spleen injury we brought him back? Why do you think teams have been inquiring constantly about trading for him for the past 2 years? Because he is the future of our franchise.
Chris Simms was a Rich McKay draft selection, not a Jon Gruden pick. I have heard reports that Gruden wanted Brian Westbrook at that selection (no link, not confirmed by any means).

Throwing the deep ball is not a big requirement of Grudens offense, it is far more important to be accurate and quick on your reads (two things that Simms has struggled with).

While Chris Simms played well in 2005, he was arguably the worst starting QB in the NFL during the time he played last season.

How is it not his fault that passes get tipped? Some of it lies on the shoulders of the OL, but Simms gets some blame for sure. And to bring up the Edell Shephard play, yes Shephard dropped the first pass, but Simms missed him wide-open on the next play.

The Bucs obviously like him, and actually so do I. But there are clearly big question marks surrounding him, hence the two year deal loaded with performance incentives. Not only will he not be a Pro Bowl QB this season, but I dont think that he will even be the starter.

Simms has a rocket arm, but he needs to be quicker on his reads/check downs. He has a bad tendency to stare down his intended receiver (part of the reason for knock downs). I hope that you are right, and he beats out Garcia, and becomes the staple at QB we have long desired. I was a lot more confident in Simms going into last season than I am today.

If JT and CJ are gone, I would take a long look at Quinn. As you said, there is a trade market for Simms, and he could be dealt.
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Goddamit, I would also add, that it seems very strange to me, that we should only re-sign our future QB for two years...lols

Simms is a back-up at best!
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