The 2010 Cowboys Draft Thread - Page 63

thule · 03-03-2010, 06:50 PM

I've read like 4 articles about Geathers today. Classic guy with upside but needs molding. Hearing 4th-5th round on him. Not bad if we elect to wait on DE.

LonghornsLegend · 03-03-2010, 07:18 PM

Found this via roto about Wilson & Haden:

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According to former Browns scout Daniel Jeremiah, some NFL teams have Boise State CB Kyle Wilson rated ahead of Florida CB Joe Haden.

Jeremiah indicates that this was the case even before Haden ran poorly at the Scouting Combine. Both CBs are roughly the same build, and Wilson has clearly had a better offseason after standing out as one of the top players at January's Senior Bowl. Wilson seems to be a surefire top-20 selection.
Source: Daniel Jeremiah on Twitter

Is there even the slightest chance just one of these two fall to us? I hope it's not a case of what D was saying in that we want a corner more then the team does, but I would absolutely love either of these 2 at 27 and if not I'd be ok with looking at round 2 options.

UTPATS · 03-03-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

Found this via roto about Wilson & Haden:

Is there even the slightest chance just one of these two fall to us? I hope it's not a case of what D was saying in that we want a corner more then the team does, but I would absolutely love either of these 2 at 27 and if not I'd be ok with looking at round 2 options.

I have said from the first I like Wilson, I think he will be a first rounder!

D-Unit · 03-04-2010, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by UTPATS

I have said from the first I like Wilson, I think he will be a first rounder!

It's better to be loud about this BEFORE it becomes public knowledge. Love the enthusiasm though! :) Well done.

M.O.T.H. · 03-04-2010, 03:30 AM

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Well, if Wade wants him, he better get him before Parcells does. BP loves strong bloodlines.

Thanks for the post.

MOTH... More info... more info!!! Why haven't we heard of Geathers before this week?

Page 61, my friend. :)

Tons of potential, little experience and production.

bluebonnet78 · 03-07-2010, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

Found this via roto about Wilson & Haden:

Is there even the slightest chance just one of these two fall to us? I hope it's not a case of what D was saying in that we want a corner more then the team does, but I would absolutely love either of these 2 at 27 and if not I'd be ok with looking at round 2 options.

even if the value is there, and Wilson does look like he'll be good, it seems unlikely dallas is going corner in the first round this year unless they are thinking of trading/moving one of their current players there. Newman, Jenkins, and Scandrick are a solid group at least for a year or two, but depth is always needed. I could definitely see taking a Donovan Warren/Chris Cook in the 2nd

D-Unit · 03-08-2010, 01:11 PM

http://profootball.scout.com/2/952047.html

Just wanted to say that this kind of pick is exactly what I fear. I can see it being true too.

With the 27th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select OT Roger Saffold.

*AAAAAAAAAAAARRRGH!!!!*

*Punches a new hole in the wall*

crisco0710 · 03-08-2010, 01:53 PM

I dont like that mock at all. He has Kindle going in the 2nd round.

CPS21 · 03-08-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

http://profootball.scout.com/2/952047.html

Just wanted to say that this kind of pick is exactly what I fear. I can see it being true too.

With the 27th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select OT Roger Saffold.

*AAAAAAAAAAAARRRGH!!!!*

*Punches a new hole in the wall*

I've seen another mock that had us taking Charles Brown.

I know some people in here don't like Brown and say he can't fit our scheme but I don't buy that. After a year in the league he'll easily be bigger than Free. So tell me why he doesn't fit since everyone is prepared to crown Free.

I, for one, would be pleased to see us draft a LT. That LT and Free at RT would be the starting pair in 2011 and would set us up for awhile.

The DL depth sucks this year. As much as I wish we would grab a DE -- if it isn't a guy playing out of his natural position (D. Williams, B. Price) then they aren't worth a 1st rounder. Odrick is trash and I'll puke if we draft that scrub.

no Safety worth a 1st will be at 27 -- they will be an overdraft if we do that.

LB and OT are both intriguing for me in the first because those could both have BPA at 27. Charles Brown and Brandon Spikes are both guys who could still be on the board and would fit needs.

LT is a need. Free played half a game there and didn't even look good.

LB is a need. Brooking is gone after this year, Bradie is a JAG again after that 8 sack season, and J. Williams is unproven. Carpenter is scrub. Only Brooking and J. Williams are "wade's guys"

thule · 03-08-2010, 04:33 PM

I'm willing to bet anyone that we won't draft any OT in the first round other than the top 5.

Okung
Williams
Bulaga
Campbell
Davis

Anyone wanna bet?

Iupati and Pouncey aren't OTs so they are eligible.

bluebonnet78 · 03-08-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CPS21

The DL depth sucks this year. As much as I wish we would grab a DE -- if it isn't a guy playing out of his natural position (D. Williams, B. Price) then they aren't worth a 1st rounder. Odrick is trash and I'll puke if we draft that scrub.

I can't see Dallas drafting Odrick unless they lose one of their Defensive ends before the draft either to trade or RFA. I don't really see how Odrick's going to be much of an upgrade over what they have. And I think Jerry wants to see Bowen or Hatcher push Spears for the starting position. Plus there's Marcus Dixon on the practice squad who might be able to contribute.

Anyone have hopes for J.D. Walton in the late second? Gurode is a good center, but he's 32 now and I'm starting to wonder how much longer his playing health and skills are going to hold up.

D-Unit · 03-08-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CPS21

I've seen another mock that had us taking Charles Brown.

I know some people in here don't like Brown and say he can't fit our scheme but I don't buy that. After a year in the league he'll easily be bigger than Free. So tell me why he doesn't fit since everyone is prepared to crown Free.

I, for one, would be pleased to see us draft a LT. That LT and Free at RT would be the starting pair in 2011 and would set us up for awhile.

The DL depth sucks this year. As much as I wish we would grab a DE -- if it isn't a guy playing out of his natural position (D. Williams, B. Price) then they aren't worth a 1st rounder. Odrick is trash and I'll puke if we draft that scrub.

no Safety worth a 1st will be at 27 -- they will be an overdraft if we do that.

LB and OT are both intriguing for me in the first because those could both have BPA at 27. Charles Brown and Brandon Spikes are both guys who could still be on the board and would fit needs.

LT is a need. Free played half a game there and didn't even look good.

LB is a need. Brooking is gone after this year, Bradie is a JAG again after that 8 sack season, and J. Williams is unproven. Carpenter is scrub. Only Brooking and J. Williams are "wade's guys"

Well, if you ever read my posts about Charles Brown, you'd know that he's one of my favorite tackles in the draft. Love his balance, movement, fluidity, long arms, athleticism... I think he could improve in power and technique, but those things will naturally come over time. That said, I don't want to spend the 27th pick on him.

D-Unit · 03-08-2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by thule

I'm willing to bet anyone that we won't draft any OT in the first round other than the top 5.

Okung
Williams
Bulaga
Campbell
Davis

Anyone wanna bet?

Iupati and Pouncey aren't OTs so they are eligible.

I'm willing to be we don't draft one in the first 5 even IF those Top 5 reached us. I know you think/or used to think that Trent Williams would be good for us, but I don't buy that we'd draft him if he fell to us.

We really need to stay away from Campbell. He's no where near ready. If he's brought along slowly he could make it in 3-4 years like Doug Free. But any team plugging him in right away will be sorely disappointed. But if they do wait, they could be rewarded very very VERY handsomely. For us, I just don't think we can afford to wait that long. If we can, then drafting an OT outside of Round 1 is sufficient enough.

D-Unit · 03-08-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bluebonnet78

I can't see Dallas drafting Odrick unless they lose one of their Defensive ends before the draft either to trade or RFA. I don't really see how Odrick's going to be much of an upgrade over what they have. And I think Jerry wants to see Bowen or Hatcher push Spears for the starting position. Plus there's Marcus Dixon on the practice squad who might be able to contribute.

Anyone have hopes for J.D. Walton in the late second? Gurode is a good center, but he's 32 now and I'm starting to wonder how much longer his playing health and skills are going to hold up.

I'd rather wait to see if Walton falls to us in the 3rd. I don't like this year's C class. I think next year will be great, so I'd rather wait. Picking up a C in FA wouldn't be a bad idea on a short term contract.

thule · 03-08-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

I'm willing to be we don't draft one in the first 5 even IF those Top 5 reached us. I know you think/or used to think that Trent Williams would be good for us, but I don't buy that we'd draft him if he fell to us.

We really need to stay away from Campbell. He's no where near ready. If he's brought along slowly he could make it in 3-4 years like Doug Free. But any team plugging him in right away will be sorely disappointed. But if they do wait, they could be rewarded very very VERY handsomely. For us, I just don't think we can afford to wait that long. If we can, then drafting an OT outside of Round 1 is sufficient enough.

Trent Williams is one of the highest rising prospects right now imo. People are talking about him upsetting Okung as the #1 OT with a good proday on wednesday. Only 2 that are even a slim possibility to be available are Davis and Campbell. Both guys fit our typical build and have left side potential. I have a feeling if we drafted Davis though he'd play the right side because he is such a great run blocker.

If Williams is on the board I'll also bet that we draft him no matter what over anyone else in the draft. He can play all 5 positions and has elite LT potential. No way Jerry would pass on that. That said he won't be there.

romo4prez415 · 03-09-2010, 01:21 AM

In my opinion Williams stock has never fallen. He played hurt for awhile and was transitioning to LT and improved with every rep he was receiving. He has some technique work that needs to be corrected but he has elite tackle potential as opposed to a guy like Bulaga who is so well coached he's close to being maxed out.

D-Unit · 03-09-2010, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by romo4prez415

In my opinion Williams stock has never fallen. He played hurt for awhile and was transitioning to LT and improved with every rep he was receiving. He has some technique work that needs to be corrected but he has elite tackle potential as opposed to a guy like Bulaga who is so well coached he's close to being maxed out.

How does one come up with this conclusion? Good coaching = being maxed out???

romo4prez415 · 03-09-2010, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

How does one come up with this conclusion? Good coaching = being maxed out???

His technique is picture perfect and there is not a whole lot he can do to improve. He's never going to be as strong or as fluid and athletic as a guy like Trent Williams. I like Bulaga but I never saw him ever being as talented Trent Williams. That is why I was estatic when he was sliding. Trent Williams needs some technique work but like I said earlier in the season he's the guy with big time tackle ability. I'd compare him favorably with former sooner Jamaal Brown who is a pro bowl tackle when healthy.

JJJ888 · 03-10-2010, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by romo4prez415

His technique is picture perfect and there is not a whole lot he can do to improve. He's never going to be as strong or as fluid and athletic as a guy like Trent Williams. I like Bulaga but I never saw him ever being as talented Trent Williams. That is why I was estatic when he was sliding. Trent Williams needs some technique work but like I said earlier in the season he's the guy with big time tackle ability. I'd compare him favorably with former sooner Jamaal Brown who is a pro bowl tackle when healthy.

I simply have to disagree with that assessment. Technique is not the only thing that guys can improve upon when moving up a level. Yes, you can't teach speed, but you can teach awareness and you can teach NFL level strength and conditioning. Just because a guy has "picture perfect" technique (and I would disagree that ANY college player's technique is even close to perfect in an NFL world), doesn't mean that he doesn't have room to grow. Plus, guys who already have solid technique entering the NFL don't have to focus on their technique while working in practices and games, which allows them to work on developing other skills. If you've ever played a skill sport (personally, I'm thinking of my own experiences with Lacrosse), then you know that if a technique isn't inherent or natural, then it shows up and becomes a preoccupation when you're trying to do other things and you simply don't learn those new skills well.

I guess that's all a wordy way of saying that I view good technique as a fundamental building block for progressing quickly in the NFL. That's why I'd be wary of Tim Tebow for a long time as he develops this new delivery, as without solid, ingrained technique I think he'll have a tough time grasping other elements of the transition to the NFL. (That's not to say that I don't like Tebow--because I think he might be my favorite player in the draft. But I'll save that for later.)

LonghornsLegend · 03-10-2010, 09:42 AM

2 guys I've been seeing moving up to the late 1st round in our area are Patrick Robinson CB from FSU, and Charles Brown LT from USC. I'd be fine with Brown if we opted to go with him and give Flozell one more year, Robinson I think would be a bit of a reach and we may get better value in the 2nd on someone.

Kirwan also just did a mock and has Dez Bryant falling to us at #27 with Demariyus Thomas going before him, not sure what he's smoking :) Would anyone be too upset with Thomas at #27? I like the guy, not sure how I'd feel about taking a WR so early but I do think he'll be a stud. No way Bryant falls that far though.

Though there has been alot of talk of him not going in the first 15, maybe 20 picks. Who knows if it's just fluff or not, but I'd be all for a move up if he came close to our pick, I think it would be time to finally take a WR in the 1st at that point.

D-Unit · 03-10-2010, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

2 guys I've been seeing moving up to the late 1st round in our area are Patrick Robinson CB from FSU, and Charles Brown LT from USC. I'd be fine with Brown if we opted to go with him and give Flozell one more year, Robinson I think would be a bit of a reach and we may get better value in the 2nd on someone.

Kirwan also just did a mock and has Dez Bryant falling to us at #27 with Demariyus Thomas going before him, not sure what he's smoking :) Would anyone be too upset with Thomas at #27? I like the guy, not sure how I'd feel about taking a WR so early but I do think he'll be a stud. No way Bryant falls that far though. He's an embarrassment to NFL.com's draft section. Other commentary... he's fine.

Though there has been alot of talk of him not going in the first 15, maybe 20 picks. Who knows if it's just fluff or not, but I'd be all for a move up if he came close to our pick, I think it would be time to finally take a WR in the 1st at that point.

Kirwan is a nincompoop. His mocks are terrible EVERY year.

herniateddisc · 03-10-2010, 07:00 PM

McClain is in the coversation for late 1

pocketaces · 03-10-2010, 07:57 PM

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McClain is in the coversation for late 1

By who?????

pocketaces · 03-10-2010, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

http://profootball.scout.com/2/952047.html

Just wanted to say that this kind of pick is exactly what I fear. I can see it being true too.

With the 27th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select OT Roger Saffold.

*AAAAAAAAAAAARRRGH!!!!*

*Punches a new hole in the wall*

How about this draft?

http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php

Mike Iupati
Brandon Spikes
Alex Carrington
Major Wright

YUMMMMMMYYYYY!!!!!!

herniateddisc · 03-10-2010, 08:44 PM

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By who?????

For us, his 40 was a bit slow for a Pro Day.