The 2010 Cowboys Draft Thread

[M.O.T.H.]

Originally Posted by BaLLiN72

yeah, but theres a very good chance he goes in the early teens

Eagles have a stockpile of picks...if anyone could make a move, it's them. They've been drooling over Berry and Thomas. It could happen.

[LonghornsLegend]

Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

I think the Eagles are going to target Thomas in the first and go at that pretty hard. They have plenty of picks to trade up if they have to.

I think so too, but I keep telling myself they may settle for Pouncey, Kyle Wilson, or Everson Griffen who all fit needs and are great picks for them. I guess I just hate seeing my favorite prospects go to division rivals, but maybe they like Marlin Jackson at FS, and go after the 2nd tier FS's.


At this point you could make the argument CB is a bigger need then FS though for them.

[M.O.T.H.]

Lets just hope so. haha.

I cant wait for this thing.

[romo4prez415]

Originally Posted by D-Unit

Darn. It won't surprise me one bit to see the Steelers draft Mays now. Count me in as one who doesn't believe in coach speak leading up to days before the draft.

Put it this way. Desean Jackson NEVER had success against Mays.

Lol that had more to do with USC's front 7 and Nate Longshore's noodle arm. If we draft him I hope your right but in my opinion this guy doesn't belong in the top 100 picks. He's big and straightline fast but he has poor change of directional skills, lacks instincts, takes poor pursuit angles, and is an inconsistent tackler. He is very raw and I really question his upside considering he hasnt improved the way you would like for someone who has started for 4 years. He's big, straight line fast, and can make a youtube type of hit but he's not nearly the football player everyone is making him out to be. I've seen this guy since high school in hopes that he'd rep Seattle but the hype surpasses the actual play on the field. A bit of a project.

[pocketaces]

Originally Posted by romo4prez415

Lol that had more to do with USC's front 7 and Nate Longshore's noodle arm. If we draft him I hope your right but in my opinion this guy doesn't belong in the top 100 picks. He's big and straightline fast but he has poor change of directional skills, lacks instincts, takes poor pursuit angles, and is an inconsistent tackler. He is very raw and I really question his upside considering he hasnt improved the way you would like for someone who has started for 4 years. He's big, straight line fast, and can make a youtube type of hit but he's not nearly the football player everyone is making him out to be. I've seen this guy since high school in hopes that he'd rep Seattle but the hype surpasses the actual play on the field. A bit of a project.

I agree. I always love D's input and opinions but I think he's way off on May's. Usually D is very good at evaluating player's but this has man crush written all over it.;)

[Sniper]

Originally Posted by pocketaces

May's. player's

WHY? FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WHY????????????????

I'm a Mays fan. I think D's onto something about him.

[thule]

Odrick is getting so much hype right now. Definitely don't think we have a shot at him. Interesting to see how this draft is going to fall.

Anthony Davis is the only top tier OT that we may have a shot at. I'm still not buying it.

Iupati shouldn't fall past the Steelers so that will be a problem to land him.

Earl Thomas is such a wild card...Kiper has him falling to us but seems to be the only one. He shouldn't be around for us.

Guys like Charles Brown don't fit our scheme so it's not happening...I'll put my nfldc username on the line.

Bruce Campbell is a nice upside guy but does anyone really think we'll draft a OT early? I'm having doubts with the cut of Flozell prior to the draft.

We are sitting in a spot where it is to early to draft Ducasse and even Allen and Burnett at this point.

The only thing I can see us from reaching on a player is. A- hoping a team falls in love with Colt McCoy and move down for a couple of picks. I'm thinking Cleveland is the one place he could be value to. But we don't have a ton of leverage here...Minnesota picks 29...which means San Diego is in the prime position to move down. I'm not sure where else we have trade value. Do we really buy a team moving up for a RB to land one in front of SD...maybe a NT like Cody perhaps if someone wanted to have him. I'm just not buying us being in a great position to move down. However with the 27th pick....some teams only have about 21-25 1st round prospects so if the end of the tier prospect is there maybe we can get some value. I still don't buy us getting a 2nd and 3rd though unless it's a team that wants McCoy.

I still think we are going to target and draft Benn if we are forced to make a pick at 27 and our guys aren't there.

[thule]

I don't think some of us fans understand why Benn maybe the pick if he is BPA at 27. I know a lot of people don't get to watch many Illinios games. Unless you live up in the midwest. So here is my take on why Benn makes perfect sense to us at 27.

If you've ever watched Illinois play you'll know that Benn played the majority of his time in the slot. He runs in driven routes the best. His best route is the quick slant. Much like Miles Austin last year Benn is very similar to Austin. Except he does it more between the hashes. Benn understands zone coverages....all you have to do is watch a highlight video...he constantly gets the ball right behind the backers...he knows how to get into the soft spot behind the corner and the safety. Another thing you wouldn't know about him unless you watched a couple of games is how Illinois used him. He isn't a guy who lined up outside of the hashes hardly ever...he is constantly in motion....lining up at RB...running bubble screens. The guy is a fierce runner with the ball in his hands. Has one hell of a stiff arm and isn't afraid to take on players on contact...he'll squeeze every yard out of a play. He is not a jump ball guy...people note his lack of TD's but he isn't that guy. If he is going to score a TD it's from a blown coverage or a broken tackle. So if you wanna knock him I guess that is it...also he has had injury concerns that seem to plague him throughout his career...this is because of how physical he is on the field...I don't see these going away.

So after that why would the cowboys draft him....because he excels in the slot...he runs a great quick slant (which seemed to be our go to pass at the end of the year on third and short). He can be moved all over the field and adds tremendous value in the yards after contact department. He knows how to run with the ball in his hands...hello bubble screen again. He is a premier talent and has been a top recruit...so it's not like he is a scrub athlete ever. And last of all with Austin and Felix getting increased production Benn will give us a kickoff returner and potential slot guy.

He will see the field a ton as a rookie...and he is essentially going to be viewed by the organization as the replacement to Crayton. He is not going to replace Roy in my eyes. I don't think you leave him out wide 60 snaps a game...he is a difference maker.

[LonghornsLegend]

He's a good player, but as MOTH has been saying, I don't think Jerry wants to admit failure on the Roy trade so soon, taking a WR in 1st round says that. Plus how often do we take WR's in the 1st round anyway?


Combine with how in love he is with Ogletree, Wr in the 1st round is very very slim. We just don't see lineman, or WR's in the 1st round with Jerry too often, it would have to be a huge need to ever do it, which is isn't this year.


Roy is going to get 1 more chance to prove himself, and I don't think Benn is good enough to take over a Safety, or CB which are both more pressing needs IMO.

[LonghornsLegend]

Originally Posted by pocketaces

I agree. I always love D's input and opinions but I think he's way off on May's. Usually D is very good at evaluating player's but this has man crush written all over it.;)

I'm gonna hope this is like the Felix Jones thing, D is usually good with scouting safeties and he loved Jarius Byrd so we'll see. I was much happier when we weren't supposed to have a chance at Mays, if he's on the board when our pick is up I think I'm gonna go crazy in anticipation.



I need to review an updated trade chart thread, if we wanted to move from 27 to 18 anyone know what it would take off the top of their head?

[thule]

Benn would not be seen by the organization as a replacement to Roy. He would be seen as a replacement of Crayton and as a KOR. I thought I made that clear in my post above but I want to reiterate it here unless you just skimmed perhaps.

He would be our Percy Harvin although I'm not sure he'd return punts. But he would line up all over the field and be a yards after contact guy.

Ogletree got his looks outside the hash as did Hurd. So I think we do have a roster spot to compete with Crayton. Crayton and Romo have good chemistry but you have to wonder if all his rumblings wouldn't be enough to allow him to be replaced by a younger high profile guy. Crayton is in the last year of his deal if I'm not mistaken.

Jerry and Stephen have both said on multiple occasions this offseason that we will be going BPA. The only position we wouldn't atleast consider is QB. So count me in as someone who could buy Benn being the BPA at 27. I can't think of many guys we'd have rated above him that will be available if any.

[M.O.T.H.]

Pretty sure most of the people who hated on Jones, barely even saw him play in college. :P

Being a big SEC guy, I knew how scary that Felix Jones was with the ball. :) I saw tons of Chris Johnson as well, thought he'd be good...not this good. But I still think we made the right choice and no offense to Chris, but the character of the players, isnt even close. Felix is a real great kid.

[thule]

Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

I'm gonna hope this is like the Felix Jones thing, D is usually good with scouting safeties and he loved Jarius Byrd so we'll see. I was much happier when we weren't supposed to have a chance at Mays, if he's on the board when our pick is up I think I'm gonna go crazy in anticipation.



I need to review an updated trade chart thread, if we wanted to move from 27 to 18 anyone know what it would take off the top of their head?

Using just the value chart it is a 220 pt difference. If you went straight on chart value. It'd be our 3/4/5 to get that value.

However i think it's important to note that the chart is outdated since there has been a salary cap. And it should be used more as a guideline than an actual measuring stick.

Also that said...I can't see Jerry moving up for any position outside of QB or Pass Rusher....that seems to be his MO. I suppose you could group elite corner in there as well.

[M.O.T.H.]

Any WR selection in the 1st round is going to garner JJ major media flack. Because of Roy Williams. I dont care who the WR would be. I just dont think it's all that likely that we go 1st round receiver at all. JJ doesnt like to look stupid or wrong, he talks up Roy and Ogletree all the time. It just goes against everything he's been saying.

[LonghornsLegend]

Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

Pretty sure most of the people who hated on Jones, barely even saw him play in college. :P

Being a big SEC guy, I knew how scary that Felix Jones was with the ball. :) I saw tons of Chris Johnson as well, thought he'd be good...not this good. But I still think we made the right choice and no offense to Chris, but the character of the players, isnt even close. Felix is a real great kid.

Oh boooo, that's just your Felix and SEC homer coming out in you :D



If Tennessee wanted to trade us CJ for Felix straight up, we would be dumb as hell to say no. Granted, I really do want to give Felix a shot to start, and be healthy, and see what he does. But come on MOTH, look at what CJ did the past 2 seasons.


Dude just broke Marshall Faulk's yards from scrimmage record, in his second year in the league, on a team with nowhere near as many weapons as we have, and literally no downfield passing attack or RB to share carries with.


Dude had already put himself in territory with the all-time greats, had he not had a long run called back for holding week 17 he could of broken Eric Dickerson's rushing record. It gives me chills to imagine CJ on our team with our huge offensive line, and downfield passing threat. Were still going off of potential right now with Felix in what we "think" he'd do, CJ is in the record books numerous times and is as healthy as can be.


Health is a big part of things, and Felix has shown he's pretty brittle, and CJ is sturdy as a rock, he wouldn't be breaking those records here but he's easily the much better pick for us.

[M.O.T.H.]

Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

Oh boooo, that's just your Felix and SEC homer coming out in you :D



If Tennessee wanted to trade us CJ for Felix straight up, we would be dumb as hell to say no. Granted, I really do want to give Felix a shot to start, and be healthy, and see what he does. But come on MOTH, look at what CJ did the past 2 seasons.


Dude just broke Marshall Faulk's yards from scrimmage record, in his second year in the league, on a team with nowhere near as many weapons as we have, and literally no downfield passing attack or RB to share carries with.


Dude had already put himself in territory with the all-time greats, had he not had a long run called back for holding week 17 he could of broken Eric Dickerson's rushing record. It gives me chills to imagine CJ on our team with our huge offensive line, and downfield passing threat. Were still going off of potential right now with Felix in what we "think" he'd do, CJ is in the record books numerous times and is as healthy as can be.


Health is a big part of things, and Felix has shown he's pretty brittle, and CJ is sturdy as a rock, he wouldn't be breaking those records here but he's easily the much better pick for us.

Meh. I still think Felix can be pretty damn special. When we're talking about Felix and CJ, we're talking about the two best YPC guys in the league, I dont see Felix's numbers dropping off when he becomes the starter. (funny enough Charles is right there as well) We couldn't have gone wrong either way. And we've yet to see what Felix could do with CJ carries. Factor in overall character...I'm glad we took Felix.

Dont get me wrong...I'm a big fan of CJ, the player, and would be happy to have him. But, the guy is pretty damn stupid off the field, and way too cocky for his own good. He sure can back it up, though. I just think Felix is the total all-around package and he can be close to as good as CJ. I dont see him running for 2,000 yards a year. lol. But I think, if he stays healthy, which I think is non-issue now...he can be in that conversation for top RBs in the league. No question. We have a special back in our own right.

[D-Unit]

Just gimme a guy who won't get hurt ALL THE TIME.

[M.O.T.H.]

I think he'll be good to go. He's had some freak injuries and getting plenty of action in the latter part of the year, he looked plenty durable. A small sample size but, injuries have never been a big concern for him.

[thule]

Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

Any WR selection in the 1st round is going to garner JJ major media flack. Because of Roy Williams. I dont care who the WR would be. I just dont think it's all that likely that we go 1st round receiver at all. JJ doesnt like to look stupid or wrong, he talks up Roy and Ogletree all the time. It just goes against everything he's been saying.

How much flack do you have to take when you go BPA? Something along the lines of "We had hoped we'd have a top OL/S drop to us...however when they didn't we took the best player on the board...he will not replace Roy or Austin...but he will see the field in 3 wide sets and also on special teams".

Like I said before...I don't think Benn is in our top 5 guys we want to draft at 27. However if the draft gobbles up OL and Thomas...where else is the value? We've brought in a ton of 2nd round WRs...Benn being one of them...but the trade partner needs to be there. If we CAN'T find a trade partner and our need positions are gone Benn will be BPA.

[LonghornsLegend]

Why is CJ pretty damn stupid off the field? Of course he's a cocky SOB, but he backs it up. It's only a problem or annoying when your cocky and your trash on the field. Nothing CJ has done has been stupid off the field, he went and trained with Tim Shaw on his own after the 1st season and improved his all around game/endurance/health/speed and it showed.


Granted as you said Charles is a monster in his own right who would of been nice in the 2nd. Then we could of had Jenkins at 22, DeSean Jackson at 28, and Charles in the 2nd

[M.O.T.H.]

Originally Posted by thule

How much flack do you have to take when you go BPA? Something along the lines of "We had hoped we'd have a top OL/S drop to us...however when they didn't we took the best player on the board...he will not replace Roy or Austin...but he will see the field in 3 wide sets and also on special teams".

Like I said before...I don't think Benn is in our top 5 guys we want to draft at 27. However if the draft gobbles up OL and Thomas...where else is the value? We've brought in a ton of 2nd round WRs...Benn being one of them...but the trade partner needs to be there. If we CAN'T find a trade partner and our need positions are gone Benn will be BPA.

Again I just dont see it. Given our team's 1st round WR history and his constant defending of the Roy Williams trade. It just will reflect poorly on him, through his eyes, I'd imagine. The guy doesnt like to look bad, he's put a lot of eggs in the Roy Williams' basket. Roy probably gets another year before we tackle WR that early.

[M.O.T.H.]

Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

Why is CJ pretty damn stupid off the field? Of course he's a cocky SOB, but he backs it up. It's only a problem or annoying when your cocky and your trash on the field. Nothing CJ has done has been stupid off the field, he went and trained with Tim Shaw on his own after the 1st season and improved his all around game/endurance/health/speed and it showed.


Granted as you said Charles is a monster in his own right who would of been nice in the 2nd. Then we could of had Jenkins at 22, DeSean Jackson at 28, and Charles in the 2nd

I mean more so, intelligence. The literal meaning of the word stupid. Not like doing bad things off the field. I'm trying not to bash the guy, he just seems pretty dumb. lol. He's a natural on the field, but he isnt the brightest guy. I just think Felix offers more there. Not that, that matters to a lot of people. Felix fits in better with the group of guys we have, imo.

[UTPATS]

What about this OT from Texas who could be a swing guy?

Texas has a good track record, especially recently, with offensive linemen in the NFL.

This guy has the experience, he started quite a few games while at Texas. He also has the size to move inside if needed. I like his versatility and intelligence. He isn't the best athlete, but could be a nice back-up for us with some 4th round value.

[Sniper]

Originally Posted by UTPATS

What about this OT from Texas who could be a swing guy?

Texas has a good track record, especially recently, with offensive linemen in the NFL.

This guy has the experience, he started quite a few games while at Texas. He also has the size to move inside if needed. I like his versatility and intelligence. He isn't the best athlete, but could be a nice back-up for us with some 4th round value.

If he could get the lead surgically removed from his feet, he'd an okay backup RT.

[thule]

Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

Again I just dont see it. Given our team's 1st round WR history and his constant defending of the Roy Williams trade. It just will reflect poorly on him, through his eyes, I'd imagine. The guy doesnt like to look bad, he's put a lot of eggs in the Roy Williams' basket. Roy probably gets another year before we tackle WR that early.

I can't see Jerry putting him image in front of player selection. I don't think we want to draft Benn at 27. However if you can't find a trade partner moving up for a RB/NT/QB/OT I just can't see "that" player that will work.

In my head this is my big board. If the guys above him are gone and we can't find a trade partner you tell me who we take.

Anthony Davis
Dez Bryant
Earl Thomas
Iupati
Jared Odrick
Maukice Pouncey
Dan Williams
Sean Weatherspoon
Benn

Obviously that isn't a great list but I can't see us drafting any other guy over Benn. My name list that would be in consideration if those guys over Been are taken are.

Ducasse/Allen/Burnett/McCourtney/Aluala/Campbell/Cody

I just can't see us going CB in the 1st. Campbell would be nice but I'm sold on us being sold on Free. Cody is a pick I'd love but I think the organization is satisfied at NT. The rest of the guys are not first round talent...I hate reaching for need when we have a team that is already a superbowl contender. Depth and Talent is why we have an advantage over teams in the top 10. You don't box yourself in with needs.