The 2010 Cowboys Draft Thread

[T-NewFan41]

Hello everybody. It's been a while but with the draft mayhem i just needed to join back up and involve myself in the discussion for a little while. It is me, TNewFan41. I just wanted to say that im not like i was before, with the immature posts and what not, and i thank you for tolerating that in the past. that was a while ago. I'd be glad to talk some football again. Oh and Newman sucks a big black **** now lol.

Anyway, As you can tell by my name, I love the Dez pick. If he becomes the player everyone thinks he is, to go along with our already #2 ranked offense, and we can get just a bit more production from roy where then teams need to account for him, I don't see how you can stop this offense. All homerism aside, seriously, its impossible. I think the character concerns are stupid, he has none. He got suspended for talking to deion. he hasnt raped a girl, blown up a locker room, or been arrested once. The kid is gonna be a perennial pro-bowler.

As for sean lee, with some quality o-lineman still on the board, it had me baffled. But the kid is a player and its decent value, and the organizations that STAY in the playoffs take value, not need. And hey, who knows where an injury could occur.

As for "AOA" as he is called, the kid is an animal, just will need some time to get adjusted. Alan Ball does have me worried, but you cant have a pro-bowler at every position. I wouldve liked to move back up and get rashad jones in the top of the 5th, trading one of the players mentioned like hurd, carp, spears, barber, etc. But it didn't happen.

All in all i give it a B+. I've been casually reading for a while, and its nice to be back.

[M.O.T.H.]

I'd be pretty shocked if Carpenter isnt cut. Lee isnt the type you just sit, he's ready to play right now, and he's already better than Bobby. Carp is done in Dallas.

[M.O.T.H.]

Originally Posted by Sniper

I think Williams is gone. This would be the year to get rid of.

We cant get rid of him...next year would be that year, sadly. Granted, if he keeps sucking he may just keep getting lower and lower on the depth chart. But he's more than likely sticking around...and starting.

[D-Unit]

Originally Posted by DezFTW!!

Hello everybody. It's been a while but with the draft mayhem i just needed to join back up and involve myself in the discussion for a little while. It is me, TNewFan41. I just wanted to say that im not like i was before, with the immature posts and what not, and i thank you for tolerating that in the past. that was a while ago. I'd be glad to talk some football again. Oh and Newman sucks a big black **** now lol.

Anyway, As you can tell by my name, I love the Dez pick. If he becomes the player everyone thinks he is, to go along with our already #2 ranked offense, and we can get just a bit more production from roy where then teams need to account for him, I don't see how you can stop this offense. All homerism aside, seriously, its impossible. I think the character concerns are stupid, he has none. He got suspended for talking to deion. he hasnt raped a girl, blown up a locker room, or been arrested once. The kid is gonna be a perennial pro-bowler.

As for sean lee, with some quality o-lineman still on the board, it had me baffled. But the kid is a player and its decent value, and the organizations that STAY in the playoffs take value, not need. And hey, who knows where an injury could occur.

As for "AOA" as he is called, the kid is an animal, just will need some time to get adjusted. Alan Ball does have me worried, but you cant have a pro-bowler at every position. I wouldve liked to move back up and get rashad jones in the top of the 5th, trading one of the players mentioned like hurd, carp, spears, barber, etc. But it didn't happen.

All in all i give it a B+. I've been casually reading for a while, and its nice to be back.

Welcome back Tnew. We'll welcome you back! :)

I'm not gonna call you Dez though. That name is too hallowed right now.

[D-Unit]

Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

I'd be pretty shocked if Carpenter isnt cut. Lee isnt the type you just sit, he's ready to play right now, and he's already better than Bobby. Carp is done in Dallas.

I hope you're right. I'm more than soured on Carp.

As for Roy... we should figure out a way to trade him. I don't know why St. Louis would want him. Their WR corps is terrible. Swap for Atogwe FTW!!!

[JoeyHeisman]

Originally Posted by DezFTW!!

I just wanted to say that im not like i was before, with the immature posts and what not, and i thank you for tolerating that in the past. that was a while ago. I'd be glad to talk some football again. Oh and Newman sucks a big black **** now lol.

Anyone else find this absolutely hysterical?

[thule]

Originally Posted by D-Unit

I hope you're right. I'm more than soured on Carp.

As for Roy... we should figure out a way to trade him. I don't know why St. Louis would want him. Their WR corps is terrible. Swap for Atogwe FTW!!!

Roy isn't going anywhere...even in your dreams D.

Speaking of Atogwe...STL is in a very tough spot now...I believe June 1st is the deadline to get a deal done...I still think we try to bring him in.

[LizardState]

Let's not get all gaga over Dez yet, he has a lot to prove on the field to earn the accolades that come with being the Dallas #1 pick. He must have really impressed Jerry & the assts. in his interviews when he visited, & looking at his Combine workout footage he does look good I have to admit.

While I'm not crazy about the rest of the Dallas draft picks I don't think it's a 1-superstar draft & the rest are garbage like some have implied. Here's hoping Lee & his studliness can threaten Carpenter's (starting?) ILB job & eventually take it from him, Brooking will need a replacement sometime soon anyway b/c he's on the cusp of retirement, & although Carp did finish strong last season no one will forget his many costly mistakes & missed tackles early last yr. He's a Parcells leftover anyway & expendable, no surprise there were no takers for Spears or him if they really were trade bait, p/o it's bad timing to float them on the trade mkt. at draft time.

[LonghornsLegend]

Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

We cant get rid of him...next year would be that year, sadly. Granted, if he keeps sucking he may just keep getting lower and lower on the depth chart. But he's more than likely sticking around...and starting.

CANT, or WONT? I definately think we can cut him if need be, just don't think it's likely.


But let's look at it realistically. After Austin emerged, and Roy started to drop some key passes, how many games did we see go by where Roy ended up having 1-2 looks MAX during the game? I can think of at least 5 where he literally maybe had one ball thrown his way. Playoff games, he was an afterthought and those were the most important game.



Now quite frankly adding in Dez it's hard to see Roy really contributing much if things stay the same, for arguments sake if Dez is ready to play sooner then later and really has a strong pre-season Roy could lose his starting job pretty quick. It would be tough to envision keeping him knowing all that.



I don't think he gets cut either, but he can and it's still likely, and there have been bigger surprises then it would be to cut him. Cutting TO was a much bigger shock and surprise then it would be to cut Roy now.

[LizardState]

OK, here's question worth asking -- what exactly was the offense Dez Bryant committed at Oklahoma St. that suspended him fro the season? He talked to an agent before he legally could under NCAA rules, right? No criminal activity, no police blotter.....

Maybe the missed last yr. in college ensures he won't hold out or miss any OTAs in camp.

Those who interviewed him said he is cocky, but a rookie yr. in that locker room that placed 13 Pro Bowlers 2 yrs ago will wear some of that off him & give him a dose of humility, especially after he gets chewed by the assts. in camp for blowing a route or 2.

Another worthwhile question: After Austin's spectacular yr. is he going to be a highly paid decoy to allow Romo to develop some chemistry with Bryant?

[LonghornsLegend]

Originally Posted by LizardState

OK, here's question worth asking -- what exactly was the offense Dez Bryant committed at Oklahoma St. that suspended him fro the season? He talked to an agent before he legally could under NCAA rules, right? No criminal activity, no police blotter.....

Maybe the missed last yr. in college ensures he won't hold out or miss any OTAs in camp.

Those who interviewed him said he is cocky, but a rookie yr. in that locker room that placed 13 Pro Bowlers 2 yrs ago will wear some of that off him & give him a dose of humility, especially after he gets chewed by the assts. in camp for blowing a route or 2.

Another worthwhile question: After Austin's spectacular yr. is he going to be a highly paid decoy to allow Romo to develop some chemistry with Bryant?

He went to Deion Sanders house, the NCAA asked about it and he said he never went. Stupid decision, but there have been far far worse, it didn't involve an agent, taking money or cars, stealing, failing a drug test or school work, it was just blown up even more because he was suspended for the season and all the stuff about him being late etc.


I think he'll be ok here for a few reasons. He's a TEXAS kid, loves it here, loves Dallas and the Cowboys, and will really want to be great for us. Those things I think will help when it's time for his rookie contract and 2nd contract. He should also have that chip on his shoulder that he was passed over too much. Also as I've said before a few teams could of taken him to be the #1 WR right away and down the line, here he doesn't have to even start immediately nor does he have to be the #1 WR later.



I definately think Austin is in no way a decoy. Romo knows thats his man now, their chemistry was great all year which shows they trust eachother, and Dez isn't really the downfield speed threat Austin is. They compliment each other greatly, Austin is still going to produce 1300 yards and 11+ TD's easily. This year he'll be starting from week 1 with the added experience, two things he didn't do or have last year.


Now when Dez is in, say year 3, it'll be interesting to see how the yardage or looks are distributed.

[herniateddisc]

Dez is no Miles.

[D-Unit]

Originally Posted by herniateddisc

Dez is no Miles.

Luckily we don't have to compare the 2. ;)

[thule]

Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

CANT, or WONT? I definately think we can cut him if need be, just don't think it's likely.


But let's look at it realistically. After Austin emerged, and Roy started to drop some key passes, how many games did we see go by where Roy ended up having 1-2 looks MAX during the game? I can think of at least 5 where he literally maybe had one ball thrown his way. Playoff games, he was an afterthought and those were the most important game.



Now quite frankly adding in Dez it's hard to see Roy really contributing much if things stay the same, for arguments sake if Dez is ready to play sooner then later and really has a strong pre-season Roy could lose his starting job pretty quick. It would be tough to envision keeping him knowing all that.



I don't think he gets cut either, but he can and it's still likely, and there have been bigger surprises then it would be to cut him. Cutting TO was a much bigger shock and surprise then it would be to cut Roy now.

No...Jerry didn't have to pay TO a penny. We just had to suffer with the cap hit. However Jerry has to pay 9 million to Roy to not be here. The NFL is a business. This is the same reason why Roy Williams was here till the very end....you don't cut players that you owe a significant amount of money to for 0 return. It's basic economics. Even at worst Roy is a good red zone target. I'll bet anything in the world that Roy is on the cowboys this year. 0% chance on being cut...unless a guy is causing some locker room tension or tension within the organization (which Roy is not) you don't throw 9 million dollars away.

[E-Man]

Originally Posted by herniateddisc

Dez is no Miles.

That's true. They are two totally different types of players. Miles is also more proven than Dez is right now. Miles is a Pro Bowler while Dez is a guy with a ton of potential. If Dez reaches his potential, it's scary to think of what type of combo him and Miles would make.

[herniateddisc]

Originally Posted by E-Man

That's true. They are two totally different types of players. Miles is also more proven than Dez is right now. Miles is a Pro Bowler while Dez is a guy with a ton of potential. If Dez reaches his potential, it's scary to think of what type of combo him and Miles would make.

I still want an "in the box fast" WR. Oggletree I hope.

[D-Unit]

Originally Posted by herniateddisc

I still want an "in the box fast" WR. Oggletree I hope.

You hope? You may want to reword that. NOW is the time to make grand predictions on him. ;)

Afterall, you're the credit seeking guy. I'm just the guy hoping for the best, and then when it happens, I'm supposed to praise you endlessly...along with the rest of the forum. ;)

[Go Cowboys]

Maybe Dez will take some pressure off of Williams, who is to say that Williams doesn't come out of his slump and turn into the guy he once was in Detroit? He was the only one, of the 3 receivers that they drafted 3 years in a row, that looked really good. So Crayton and Hurd are fighting for #4, and the other #5, With Ogeltree maybe the #6 if we keep 6? I figure we only keep 5 but if we don't keep 2 Kickers then we can afford to keep an extra guy somewhere.


We are all talking about the Receiver corp filling up, take a look at what our Linebacker Corp looks like.

OLB-Ware,Spencer, Octavian, Williams, Butler, Johnson, Woods
MLB-Brooking, James, Carpenter, Jaison Williams, Lee, Hodge, Leon Williams
That is 14 linebackers, I'm sure I forgot someone but that could make it a little difficult to keep all of them. Who is gone? Octavian is one that we didn't have a whole lot invested in but he played like a great fill in last year.

[Trogdor]

Originally Posted by D-Unit

You hope? You may want to reword that. NOW is the time to make grand predictions on him. ;)

Afterall, you're the credit seeking guy. I'm just the guy hoping for the best, and then when it happens, I'm supposed to praise you endlessly...along with the rest of the forum. ;)

I'll bite. I bet Ogletree's emergence will be the primary reason RW is let go after the season. Miles / Dez / Ogletree with special packages pushing Ogletree outside and Dez back into the slot. -_- Hell I hope they already will craft special packages for him and see how RW looks on the sideline :)

[D-Unit]

Originally Posted by Go Cowboys

Maybe Dez will take some pressure off of Williams, who is to say that Williams doesn't come out of his slump and turn into the guy he once was in Detroit? He was the only one, of the 3 receivers that they drafted 3 years in a row, that looked really good. So Crayton and Hurd are fighting for #4, and the other #5, With Ogeltree maybe the #6 if we keep 6? I figure we only keep 5 but if we don't keep 2 Kickers then we can afford to keep an extra guy somewhere.


We are all talking about the Receiver corp filling up, take a look at what our Linebacker Corp looks like.

OLB-Ware,Spencer, Octavian, Williams, Butler, Johnson, Woods
MLB-Brooking, James, Carpenter, Jaison Williams, Lee, Hodge, Leon Williams
That is 14 linebackers, I'm sure I forgot someone but that could make it a little difficult to keep all of them. Who is gone? Octavian is one that we didn't have a whole lot invested in but he played like a great fill in last year.

Who is Jaison Williams?

[Go Cowboys]

Originally Posted by D-Unit

Who is Jaison Williams?

Not sure how the I snuck in there, darn keyboard.........

[thule]

Well if anyone wants to see our draft board decipered a bunch of fans did it on btb. Key names not on our board are awesome.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/...ys-draft-board

List of Notable Missing Players

* Tebow, Tim [QB] (1,25)
* Cook, Chris [CB] (2,34)
* Benn, Arrelious [WR] (2,39)
* Dunlap, Carlos [OLB] (2,54)
* Cody, Terrence [NT] (2,57)
* Spikes, Brandon [ILB] (2,62)
* Angerer, Pat [ILB] (2,63)
* Brown, Charles [OT] (2,64)
* Walton, JD [C] (3,80)
* Griffen, Everson [OLB] (4,100)
* Campbell, Bruce [OT] (4,106)
* Thomas, Cam [DL] (5,146)

[Ward]

Originally Posted by thule

Well if anyone wants to see our draft board decipered a bunch of fans did it on btb. Key names not on our board are awesome.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/...ys-draft-board

List of Notable Missing Players

* Tebow, Tim [QB] (1,25)
* Cook, Chris [CB] (2,34)
* Benn, Arrelious [WR] (2,39)
* Dunlap, Carlos [OLB] (2,54)
* Cody, Terrence [NT] (2,57)
* Spikes, Brandon [ILB] (2,62)
* Angerer, Pat [ILB] (2,63)
* Brown, Charles [OT] (2,64)
* Walton, JD [C] (3,80)
* Griffen, Everson [OLB] (4,100)
* Campbell, Bruce [OT] (4,106)
* Thomas, Cam [DL] (5,146)

If someone can connect all these guys together and tell us something they have in common, they should work for an NFL team.

[herniateddisc]

Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

I'd be pretty shocked if Carpenter isnt cut. Lee isnt the type you just sit, he's ready to play right now, and he's already better than Bobby. Carp is done in Dallas.

You must be a fortune teller or Jerrah b/c what you write is sheer nonsense.

[herniateddisc]

Originally Posted by D-Unit

You hope? You may want to reword that. NOW is the time to make grand predictions on him. ;)

Afterall, you're the credit seeking guy. I'm just the guy hoping for the best, and then when it happens, I'm supposed to praise you endlessly...along with the rest of the forum. ;)

The fact I am right really kills you. The endless list....... anyway.

As I said, I hope Oggletree is the one. I know he is better than Roy Williams (I wrote this last year by game 7) but we will see.

Need to see him run something other than a bubble screen.