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Old 05-03-2009, 09:49 PM    (permalink
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After the draft, I read (I believe on CBS Sportsline) someone say that Donovan McNabb is a "future Hall of Famer." This seemed preposterous to me when I first read it, but I thought that my memory of his number were errant. After looking at his numbers, coming from such a pass-heavy offense, I feel the claim is just as preposterous as it was before. Donovan McNabb has been a good QB in the NFL, but he has never been good enough in his era to consider him a Hall of Fame player. If he were to retire right now, I would say there is no way that he should get inducted. Even if he continued for the next 4 years along the same path, I do not believe he should be considered any more than a guy like Matt Hasselbeck or Rich Gannon.

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I agree with you completely. He's a franchise QB in that he's a guy who you can trust at the QB position and that you won't have to worry about replacing but he's not an all time great and thus doesn't deserve to be in the HoF.
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I think he can be if he plays 2-3 more years as the starter. He isn't all that different from Jim Kelly. What's the difference? Winning like 2 or 3 more games? Taking him alone, I agree with you both, but I can see the argument as he has provided numbers just as good (with a few more years tacked on,) and had almost as much success as other HOF QBs.
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Right now, McNabb would unquestionably not be a HOF QB, and I am one of his biggest fans. He just hasn't done enough for it, and though he has been one of the top QBs in recent years, he is nowhere near HOF calibur. He will need at least 3 more seasons of great production and a Championship to be in, IMO. He still can get in, but it'd take a lot.
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I have been saying he has a solid shot for years now. He's not in yet, but he could be with a few more years of production.
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I know these things are gonna get kind of old after a while when people just put [insert player name][insert question and question mark] but I feel like McNabb almost has a shot at being a Hall of Famer. Living in the Philadelphia area, I feel like McNabb is greatly underappreciated.

He was drafted in 1999 over Ricky Williams which started the whole thing but he has given the Philadelphia area some consistency, whether they appreciate it or not. You could say the same things you do about Big Ben on how his defense led the team some of these years. Fact is, Andy Reid has drawn up 60 percent passing plays in the last 5 years.

- He is the Eagles' all-time leader in career wins, pass attempts, pass completions, passing yards, and passing touchdowns
- Four consecutive NFC East division championships (2001, 2002, 2003, and 2004)
- Five NFC Championship Games (1-4) Joined Ken Stabler (Raiders), Jim Kelly (Bills) and Troy Aikman (Cowboys), in 2004, as the only QBs since 1970 to take their teams to four or more consecutive conference championship games.
- A Super Bow birth (L to the Pats)
- 194 TDs: 90 INTs (Third Best all time ratio[2.16] behind Brady and Young)
- 29,320 Passing yards
- 58.9 Completion percentage
- 85.9 QB Rating
- In his first full season as a NFL starter in 2000, McNabb finished second in the Associated Press MVP voting (24-11) to St. Louis RB Marshall Faulk, who set the NFL record for most TDs scored in a season.
- Forget the TO controversy, TO carries it everywhere, thats apparent.
- Limited Weapons
- Became the first player in NFL history to finish a season with 30+ TD passes (31) and fewer than 10 INTs (8) in 2004
- Became the 4th-fastest QB in NFL history to reach the 50-win plateau in just 71 starts, vs. Bal. (10/31/04)
- One of 6 players in NFL history to have amassed over 25,000 passing yards (29,320) and 3,000 rushing yards (3,109)
- NFC Pro Bowl squad - 2001-05


They were debating this on the local news last night here. The consensus is if he were to stop playing right now, he would not be. But, 5 more years of production, he would have to be atleast considered. He doesnt have a ring or an MVP award so if he were to get either in the next 4-5 years, does he have a legitimate shot?

I'm generally not a McNabb supporter, or Eagle supporter at that but I found this interesting because if he were to win a Super Bowl then I would consider him having a solid chance at the HOF. Figured it was the offseason and there really isnt anything else to talk about so if a mod thinks it should be in the team forum then by all means move it.
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Already a thread about it. I wouldn't know about it but it's one of the very few threads I started. From February 2, 2009. About 3 months ago.
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He'll get in. If he were to retire today I'm not so sure he would get in, but I have no doubt he'll do enough to finish his career to get in Canton.
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He definately shouldn't get in before someone like Gannon IMO. McNabb has put up good numbers and has led the team to everything but winning a superbowl. If he keeps at this pace (Maclin and Peters can only make things better) then he might get in at some point. Not a first balloter, but one of those 65 year old guys that gets in.

If he gets in before TD and Atwater, I am boycotting the HoF
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if i had a team of all time players i wouldn't be upset at all if mcnabb was my QB. his qb presence is one of the best ive ever seen and he has a great arm. i mean his resume may not be HOF worthy, but i wouldn't be picky if he was my QB on an all time team
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I think McNabb is appreciated more outside of Philly than he is by Eagles fans.

He probably needs a couple more years of solid production, but I wouldn't be surprised, 5 - 10 years after he reaches eligibility, to see McNabb voted into Canton.

If he played for the Redskins, we would be ready to knock someone out if they said McNabb didn't belong in the HOF when he retired!!
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I think the consensus is that after 3-5 more years of solid production, and he has the tools for it now, he could have a shot. But right now, he doesn't have the credentials.
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if he plays a few more years, he could (could) get in. He'll need to win a ring if he wants to be semi-sure.
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if he plays a few more years, he could (could) get in. He'll need to win a ring if he wants to be semi-sure.
Well I think this year is the best oppurtunity he'll have to win that ring.
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Well I think this year is the best oppurtunity he'll have to win that ring.
he's got a good chance, although obviously we don't know what he'll have around him a year from now... :D
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he's got a good chance, although obviously we don't know what he'll have around him a year from now... :D
It can't be any better than what they could've had (Boldin) this year, can it?
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I think its important to remember how he influenced the game...not that he was the first ever QB to run prolifically (Steve Young, Randall Cunningham) but he was one of the guys who ushered in that new era of a mobile athletic QB...He has great numbers, has led his team to a SB, and like I said, he influenced the game in a great way, so I can definitely see him getting in someday.
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He definately shouldn't get in before someone like Gannon IMO. McNabb has put up good numbers and has led the team to everything but winning a superbowl. If he keeps at this pace (Maclin and Peters can only make things better) then he might get in at some point. Not a first balloter, but one of those 65 year old guys that gets in.

If he gets in before TD and Atwater, I am boycotting the HoF
He definitely should get in before Gannon. Gannon was a good QB, but McNabb is way better than him, and thats no homer on my part.
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I don't think he is a HOF QB. The Eagles were clearly the dominent NFC team of the early 2000's and they won 1 Championship over that period failing year after year to advance to the SB. During this period, the Eagles were the only NFC team to have a franchise QB in McNabb but he rarely got them over the hump.
To make to the HOF, he will have to win a SB IMO or at least get there 1 or 2 more times.
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I think its important to remember how he influenced the game...not that he was the first ever QB to run prolifically (Steve Young, Randall Cunningham) but he was one of the guys who ushered in that new era of a mobile athletic QB...He has great numbers, has led his team to a SB, and like I said, he influenced the game in a great way, so I can definitely see him getting in someday.
That's actually a very valid point, that and to be honest the guy hasn't had much help over his career. There are so many QB's who I won't name who IMO are in the HOF because they played with 5+ HOF's on their offense alone.
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^^^ Agreed.

I think his influence and achievements should get him in.
That of course is assuming he continues to play at a high level for the next couple of years.
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Mobile QBs was never an era... it's a fad that comes and goes.

When it comes down to the eyeball test for McNabb, he's not a Hall of Famer.
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he's not getting in unless they allow more inductees every year. with all the crap with art monk, i just don't see him ever getting in.
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McNabb would be in the Hall of Very Good right now but not sure of the Hall of Fame. He needs to get to another Super Bowl IMO and then we'll see. He can still get to the Hall of Fame though.

Getting to the NFCC 5 times is very nice, but only 1 win in those and that was with a relatively weak NFC most of those times (All of those teams lost in the super bowl except the Bucs)

In his defense, I will say that he is probably the greatest Philly Eagle of all-time. He's brought them more playoff wins than anyone else and gotten closer to a super bowl ring than anyone else. That's gotta count for something.

He's never had great WR's to throw to (exception of TO) but his teams always have a solid D and he does have Westbrook.

He's borderline to me right now. You could argue that he gets in after a couple more solid years and I wouldn't mind. He's better than some QB's that are in the HoF.
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Basically I think he's got a chance if he wins a title. If not, I don't think he gets in.
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