AFC North vs. AFC South: Best Division All Pro Team - Page 2

eaglesalltheway · 05-13-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DoughBoy

Ill make my case and say the titans O- line handled the Ravens and the Steelers when they played- nobody is going to be touching Peyton.

Unfortunately, no RBs are going to reach the LBs with that line though...

terribletowel39 · 05-13-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DoughBoy

Ill make my case and say the titans O- line handled the Ravens and the Steelers when they played- nobody is going to be touching Peyton.

Except the last time the Titans played the Ravens, Suggs got a sack and the last time the Titans played the Steelers, Harrison got a sack....so not a very good case. Peyton getting sacked twice is a pretty rare occasion and when it does happen, he gets rattled. Just something to think about when saying Peyton won't get touched.

And neither three times was any RB allowed over 76 yards. So that line couldn't get Johnson over 76 yards against either and this time it is their combined strengths?? C'mon, its not happening.

TitanHope · 05-13-2009, 04:02 PM

I went with the AFC South, obviously.

The AFCS offense is better in almost every area, though the OL may be a wash.

Manning behind the Titans OL would rape the AFCN defense. The Titans OL gave up a grand total of 2 sacks in 2 games against the Ravens and 1 game against the Steelers. Peyton Manning having all day to throw the ball to Andre Johnson and Reggie Wayne would carve up any defense.

I like the AFCN front 7 more, but I like the AFCS secondary more. Reed is the best FS in the NFL, but Griffin is the second best. Polamalu and Sanders are a wash, but Sanders is a DPOY in '07. Finny and Mathis are a better CB tandem than Taylor and Hall, and will make more plays.

Chris Johnson should also at least be in the AFC reserves. He ran for 185 yards in the 3 games against Pitt/BMore, averaged 4.1 YPC, and scored 2 TD's.

The Colts also went 1-0 against Baltimore (W 31-3) and 1-0 against Pitt (W 24-20). The Titans went 1-1 against Baltimore (W 13-10, L 10-13) and 1-0 against Pittsburgh (W 31-14). The South matches up better against the North.

CashmoneyDrew · 05-13-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by terribletowel39

Except the last time the Titans played the Ravens, Suggs got a sack and the last time the Titans played the Steelers, Harrison got a sack....so not a very good case. Peyton getting sacked twice is a pretty rare occasion and when it does happen, he gets rattled. Just something to think about when saying Peyton won't get touched.

And neither three times was any RB allowed over 76 yards. So that line couldn't get Johnson over 76 yards against either and this time it is their combined strengths?? C'mon, its not happening.

Johnson was running wild in that playoff game before his first half injury though. And the Steelers definitely earned every thing they got this season, but had Johnson stayed healthy for that second half against the Ravens, it's entirely possible we could've had a different Super Bowl champion this past season.

But I'm not bitter or anything........

terribletowel39 · 05-13-2009, 04:07 PM

The fact you just said Sanders is on the same level as Polamalu makes the rest of your post unnoticeable. And there is a world of difference between Reed and Griffin, even if Griffin is the second best SS in the NFL, which he is not.

And like I said in the post above yours, 2 sacks against Manning and he starts to get jumpy.

Ravens1991 · 05-13-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DoughBoy

Ill make my case and say the titans O- line handled the Ravens and the Steelers when they played- nobody is going to be touching Peyton.

I doubt they could handle the Ravens and Pitts front 7 together tough

terribletowel39 · 05-13-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by VoodooMonkey

Johnson was running wild in that playoff game before his first half injury though. And the Steelers definitely earned every thing they got this season, but had Johnson stayed healthy for that second half against the Ravens, it's entirely possible we could've had a different Super Bowl champion this past season.

But I'm not bitter or anything........

I actually, probably, would have preferred to play yall in the AFCCG. Just because of what Kearse and White did 5-6 weeks prior. It would NOT have been the same game. Our players take the towel very seriously.

TitanHope · 05-13-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by terribletowel39

The fact you just said Sanders is on the same level as Polamalu makes the rest of your post unnoticeable. And there is a world of difference between Reed and Griffin, even if Griffin is the second best SS in the NFL, which he is not.

And like I said in the post above yours, 2 sacks against Manning and he starts to get jumpy.

The fact that you listed Griffin as a SS makes your post look like what?

It's cute though. Pick out one part of my post that you disagree with, then calling the rest irrelevant.

The Titans OL allowed 2 sacks in 3 games. If you think that's enough to rattle Peyton Manning, you're mistaken. It wasn't even enough to shake Kerry frickin' Collins.

DoughBoy · 05-13-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by terribletowel39

Except the last time the Titans played the Ravens, Suggs got a sack and the last time the Titans played the Steelers, Harrison got a sack....so not a very good case. Peyton getting sacked twice is a pretty rare occasion and when it does happen, he gets rattled. Just something to think about when saying Peyton won't get touched.

And neither three times was any RB allowed over 76 yards. So that line couldn't get Johnson over 76 yards against either and this time it is their combined strengths?? C'mon, its not happening.

Wow 1 sack in each game . You really want to sit there and tell me you got after kerry in that game? PLEASE. I like how you combine 2 games to make yourself look good. And if I remember correctly( and I do) James Harrison Got his lights knocked out in the game agianst us.

TitanHope · 05-13-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravens1991

I doubt they could handle the Ravens and Pitts front 7 together tough

You're talking about the NFL MVP being blocked by an offensive line that had 3 NFL All-Pro's and passing to one of the top two WR' in the NFL. That's without including Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, and MJD/Chris Johnson/Steve Slaton.

The Pitt/Bal Front-7 combo is beastly, but we're talking about combining the trenches of the Titans and Jaguars and the skill of the Colts and Texans. It's unanimous that the AFCN Front-7 is better than the AFCS, although the most talented DE in the NFL and one of the best pure-pass-rushers aren't anything to scoff at, but it's demonstrable that the AFCS OL matches up very well with them.

falloutboy14 · 05-13-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by terribletowel39

Peyton getting sacked twice is a pretty rare occasion and when it does happen, he gets rattled. Just something to think about when saying Peyton won't get touched.

Rattled enough to throw the ball 40 times for 3 TDs & 0 Ints? Yeah you got to him all right.

The last 3 games vs the Steelers/Ravens(9 of the 11 defenders come from) Peyton's thrown 10 TDs, and 0 picks. Well, maybe I should say 2.5 games, since Peyton sat out most of the 2nd half in Baltimore after throwing 13/17 for 271 yards & 4 TDs. In those three games, 0 turnovers committed by the Colts offense.

Now shall we talk about how well Roethlisberger handled the Colts pass rush?

Sacked twice, and threw 0 TDs, 3 picks. Now to me ... that sounds rattled.:)

coordinator0 · 05-13-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TitanHope

You're talking about the NFL MVP being blocked by an offensive line that had 3 NFL All-Pro's and passing to one of the top two WR' in the NFL. That's without including Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, and MJD/Chris Johnson/Steve Slaton.

The Pitt/Bal Front-7 combo is beastly, but we're talking about combining the trenches of the Titans and Jaguars and the skill of the Colts and Texans. It's unanimous that the AFCN Front-7 is better than the AFCS, although the most talented DE in the NFL and one of the best pure-pass-rushers aren't anything to scoff at, but it's demonstrable that the AFCS OL matches up very well with them.

I would also say the AFCN offensive line also matches up extremely well with the AFCS defensive line. Joe Thomas and Jared Gaither blocking on the outside is beastly. The inside lineman aren't too shabby in their own right.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES · 05-13-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DoughBoy

Ill make my case and say the titans O- line handled the Ravens and the Steelers when they played- nobody is going to be touching Peyton.

Yea but together it will be a disaster.

falloutboy14 · 05-13-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES

Yea but together it will be a disaster.

The Titans O-line with the Colts/others skill positions would be up to the task. You may be able to cover Gage & McCareins in single coverage and get away with it, but not Wayne/Johnson. That would be a disaster.

CashmoneyDrew · 05-13-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by falloutboy14

The Titans O-line with the Colts/others skill positions would be up to the task. You may be able to cover Gage & McCareins in single coverage and get away with it, but not Wayne/Johnson. That would be a disaster.

Yeah, Ike Taylor and Leon Hall are solid, but Manning with those WRs would rape those corners.

TitanHope · 05-13-2009, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by coordinator0

I would also say the AFCN offensive line also matches up extremely well with the AFCS defensive line. Joe Thomas and Jared Gaither blocking on the outside is beastly. The inside lineman aren't too shabby in their own right.

It's hard to compare the AFCN OL/AFCS DL aside from what you see on paper, since 2 OL's are from Bal, 2 OL's are from Cle, and 1 OL is a new FA, and all four AFCS teams are represented along the DL. But, the Colts sacked Flacco 4 times and Derek Anderson 3 times. Houston sacked Flacco 3 times and Anderson 0 times. Tennessee sacked Flacco 0 times and Ken Dorsey 1 time. And Jacksonville sacked Flacco 2 times and Anderson 1 time. So they've had some success in their own right.

The thing is that the AFCS DL isn't the unit that had to play well to win. The AFCN DL would have to play well in order to stop the AFCS offense.

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Originally Posted by RWO

Yea but together it will be a disaster.

Based on what, RWO?

Bucs_Rule · 05-13-2009, 06:12 PM

Everyone is talking about the South O vs North D because their the 2 best units. The other matchup is just as important, I just think the North O will struggle vs the South D. Chad Johnson and Ward aren't the WRs that they used to be.

OzTitan · 05-13-2009, 06:30 PM

The Titans OL is good at pass blocking, but is it silly good? because that front 7 of the AFCN is silly good. When one team makes up 4 players in a 5 player unit like the OL in a fantasy team like this, to me it is probably too realistic to seriously think they can take on a pure fantasy front 7. I mean, it's basically the Titans offensive line vs the best 3-4 front 7 you can think of - it seems like reality vs fantasy. What the AFC South team needed was the Titans 08 OL and the Colts OL in their prime and then you'd have a fantasy OL unit capable of taking on that front 7, even if it's just because it would be a fantasy OL and not basically a real OL.

Anyway, as a regular season game the AFCS win, as a playoff game, probably the AFCN.

LonghornsLegend · 05-13-2009, 06:33 PM

I voted AFC South.

I find it hard to vote against Peyton with All-Pro Offensive Lineman, Reggie Wayne & Andre Johnson at WR, and a backfield combo of MJD/Chris Johnson...Yes I know the North has an incredible defense but that offense would need to score points and I think the AFCS defense would have a huge advantage over the offense of the AFCN.

The South D-Line is pretty strong anytime you have Mario, Freeney, and John Henderson on it, a strong set of corners, and two pro bowl safeties who are playing at an elite level.

The South is more well rounded on both sides of the ball, the North is just incredible on defense and that would be good enough except vs Peyton with so many weapons.

TitanHope · 05-13-2009, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OzTitan

The Titans OL is good at pass blocking, but is it silly good? because that front 7 of the AFCN is silly good. When one team makes up 4 players in a 5 player unit like the OL in a fantasy team like this, to me it is probably too realistic to seriously think they can take on a pure fantasy front 7. I mean, it's basically the Titans offensive line vs the best 3-4 front 7 you can think of - it seems like reality vs fantasy. What the AFC South team needed was the Titans 08 OL and the Colts OL in their prime and then you'd have a fantasy OL unit capable of taking on that front 7, even if it's just because it would be a fantasy OL and not basically a real OL.

I think the Steelers LB's could very well be the All-AFCN LB corps. They already have Harrison and Farrior, so it'd be the difference between Lawrence Timmons/Ray Lewis and Lamarr Woodley/Terrell Suggs. Lewis is better than Timmons, but Timmons can provide some things that Lewis can't, especially in coverage. And I can't say that Suggs is measurably better than Woodley. So even if it's fantasy, they're only players taken from 4 teams, so I can believe a fantasy unit can be from one team - Boldin and Fitz could make up the NFCW WR's, and Jared Allen, Pat Williams, and Kevin Williams could make up the NFCN DL.

Besides, aside from the statistics from the games, the Titans OL had two 1st Team All-Pro's in Roos and Mawae, and one 2nd Team All-Pro in David Stewart. If our OL isn't silly good, it's pretty close. We're really spoiled in that regard.

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

I voted AFC North...

You voted South though, LL...

LonghornsLegend · 05-13-2009, 07:10 PM

That's what I meant to say, I voted for the AFC South, and that's what my post was supposed to be describing, but seeing AFCN and AFCS so many times on one page threw me off :(

DoughBoy · 05-13-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES

Yea but together it will be a disaster.

Good point, you won me over.

TitanHope · 05-13-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

That's what I meant to say, I voted for the AFC South, and that's what my post was supposed to be describing, but seeing AFCN and AFCS so many times on one page threw me off :(

Not to mention, the Titans/Oilers used to be in the same division as the AFC North teams when they all were in the old AFC Central.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES · 05-13-2009, 07:20 PM

Aaron Smith/Shaun Rodgers/Haloti Ngata would eat that O-line alive. You can say well when they played this team they did this or did that because having those 3 guys at one time would be totally different than having one at a time. I don't think that o-line could handle it.

etk · 05-13-2009, 07:44 PM

Peyton Manning

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