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View Poll Results: AFC East vs. AFC North: Who Would Win In A Head-to-Head Matchup?
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AFC East

QB Tom Brady (NE)
RB Marshawn Lynch (BUF)
FB Tony Richardson (NYJ)
WR Randy Moss (NE)
WR Terrell Owens (BUF)
TE Dustin Keller (NYJ)
RT Jake Long (MIA)
RG Alan Faneca (NYJ)
C Nick Mangold (NYJ)
LG Logan Mankins (NE)
LT Matt Light (NE)

DE Richard Seymour (NE)
NT Vince Wilfork (NE)
DE Ty Warren (NE)
OLB Joey Porter (MIA)
ILB David Harris (NYJ)
ILB Jerod Mayo (NE)
OLB Adalius Thomas (NE)
CB Darrelle Revis (NYJ)
CB Terrence McGee (BUF)
FS Donte Whitner (BUF)
SS Kerry Rhodes (MIA)

7 Notable Reserves WR Wes Welker (NE), OLB/DE Calvin Pace (NYJ), S Gibril Wilson (MIA), NT Kris Jenkins (NYJ), DT Marcus Stroud (BUF), RB Thomas Jones (NYJ), KR/PR Roscoe Parrish


AFC North

QB Ben Roethlisberger (PIT)
RB Willie Parker (PIT)
FB Le'Ron McClain (BAL)
WR Hines Ward (PIT)
WR Chad Ochocinco (CIN)
TE Heath Miller (PIT)
LT Joe Thomas (CLE)
LG Eric Steinbach (CLE)
C Matt Birk (BAL)
RG Ben Grubbs (BAL)
RT Jared Gaither (BAL)

DE Aaron Smith (PIT)
NT Shaun Rogers (CLE)
DE Haloti Ngata (BAL)
OLB James Harrison (PIT)
ILB Ray Lewis (BAL)
ILB James Farrior (PIT)
OLB Terrell Suggs (BAL)
CB Leon Hall (CIN)
CB Ike Taylor (PIT)
FS Ed Reed (BAL)
SS Troy Polamalu (SS)

7 Notable Reserves: DE/OLB LaMarr Woodley (PIT), WR Braylon Edwards (CLE), CB Jonathan Joseph (CLE), LB D'Qwell Jackson (CLE), WR Derrick Mason (BAL), CB Eric Wright (CLE), PR/KR Joshua Cribbs (CLE)
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I'm still saying AFC north and their nasty, nasty defense.

Also the East offense only has 10 players right now.
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I'm still saying AFC north and their nasty, nasty defense.

Also the East offense only has 10 players right now.
Thanks for pointing that out. It's been fixed.
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All about the defense
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I'm going to be Cpt. Obvious but both of you guys are fans of AFC North teams...

However, if the AFC North did beat the AFC South with their offense (P. Manning, D. Clark, R. Wayne, A. Johnson, MJD) then I think they could handily beat the AFC East offense.
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I don't know that there is an OLine that would not get handled by the AFC North's front 7. Ngata, Rogers and arguably Smith need attention from two people at all times so what does it mean when Suggs and Harrison are sent in? Or Reed or Polamalu are sent in?

And if you allow Ed Reed and Polamalu to roam as they please then you can simply count on your passing game getting severely disrupted.

The simple fact of the matter is that you wouldn't be able to run or pass on this defense.

I do like the East team though, especially their D, but that O-Line would not be able to handle it.
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A healthy Brady with those targets and that line in front of him would be ridiculous, and that is a very solid defense too. The AFC North defense would be nasty too.

I would put Nick Mangold over Dan Koppen all day.
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I don't know that there is an OLine that would not get handled by the AFC North's front 7. Ngata, Rogers and arguably Smith need attention from two people at all times so what does it mean when Suggs and Harrison are sent in? Or Reed or Polamalu are sent in?

And if you allow Ed Reed and Polamalu to roam as they please then you can simply count on your passing game getting severely disrupted.

The simple fact of the matter is that you wouldn't be able to run or pass on this defense.

I do like the East team though, especially their D, but that O-Line would not be able to handle it.


Not to mention Farrior/Lewis are 2 of the best Blitzing LB's in the game, toppled with LaMarr Woodley waiting in the wings when a guy needs a breather.

(Not to mention Lawrence Timmons who could attack the QB from Any LB position, or cover teams #3 WR or TE.)

Ike Taylor Shut out TO last season. Not to mention Moss wouldn't be able to get past both Reed AND Polamalu.

Personally, I think the Notables Guys even leans to AFC North (Considering who you had to leave off..

S. Holmes, R. Mendenhall...)

Not to mention Rey Maualuga, Andre Smith, and Michael Johnson just from Cincy alone could make depth even more intriguing in AFCN's favor.
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how is jenkins and rhodes not first team? whered u get these teams from.
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how is jenkins and rhodes not first team? whered u get these teams from.
Not sure why Rhodes isn't but Wilfork would start over Jenkins. Jenkins played very well last year but faded badly down the stretch last year and Wilfork has been a top NT for at least 3 years now.

As for who would win between the teams i'm going to pick the East for one reason. As good as the North's defense is the East's offense could score quickly. As far as best in divisions go, both the East defense and North offense are average at best so then it comes down to East offense and North defense. And while the defense of the North is scary they do have a slight weakness at the CB position and WR is definitely a position of strength for the East.
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Not sure why Rhodes isn't but Wilfork would start over Jenkins. Jenkins played very well last year but faded badly down the stretch last year and Wilfork has been a top NT for at least 3 years now.

As for who would win between the teams i'm going to pick the East for one reason. As good as the North's defense is the East's offense could score quickly. As far as best in divisions go, both the East defense and North offense are average at best so then it comes down to East offense and North defense. And while the defense of the North is scary they do have a slight weakness at the CB position and WR is definitely a position of strength for the East.
I can't see them scoring Quickly.

Ike Taylor shut down TO in Man coverage last year. I'm sure Hall/Joseph/Reed (Some combination) could easily Manage Moss.

That OL isn't that good either.

The CB's for the North are underrated.. but even if they're "Weak" as perceived (which they're not, as I said TO was shut out last year 1 on 1 with Taylor)..

Having the best 2 safeties in the league in the deep field would certainly limit anything Moss/Brady are capable of doing.


CB Darrelle Revis (NYJ)
CB Terrence McGee (BUF)
FS Donte Whitner (BUF)
SS Yeremiah Bell (MIA)

Outside of Revis... that secondary isn't exactly scary either. Whats to say Ward, OchoCinco, mason, Holmes, Etc. wouldn't easily exploit that group?
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I can't see them scoring Quickly.

Ike Taylor shut down TO in Man coverage last year. I'm sure Hall/Joseph/Reed (Some combination) could easily Manage Moss.

That OL isn't that good either.

The CB's for the North are underrated.. but even if they're "Weak" as perceived (which they're not, as I said TO was shut out last year 1 on 1 with Taylor)..

Having the best 2 safeties in the league in the deep field would certainly limit anything Moss/Brady are capable of doing.


CB Darrelle Revis (NYJ)
CB Terrence McGee (BUF)
FS Donte Whitner (BUF)
SS Yeremiah Bell (MIA)

Outside of Revis... that secondary isn't exactly scary either. Whats to say Ward, OchoCinco, mason, Holmes, Etc. wouldn't easily exploit that group?
I didn't say the CBs where weak I was saying compared to the rest of the team and with the WRs they were going against that it is a weakness for their defense. As for Taylor shutting down TO, yea fair enough but it takes more than one game to make a fair judgement that Taylor will shut down TO, plus Brady is on a completely different level to Romo as a QB. As for Ocho Cinco, Mason, Ward, Holmes etc, yes they would have a very good shot at exploiting that group, but I would take Moss, TO, Welker and Lee Evans anyday over them.

And as for saying the East secondary isn't exactly scary, I did mention that their defense in comparison to other Division bests is average at best.
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I didn't say the CBs where weak I was saying compared to the rest of the team and with the WRs they were going against that it is a weakness for their defense. As for Taylor shutting down TO, yea fair enough but it takes more than one game to make a fair judgement that Taylor will shut down TO, plus Brady is on a completely different level to Romo as a QB. As for Ocho Cinco, Mason, Ward, Holmes etc, yes they would have a very good shot at exploiting that group, but I would take Moss, TO, Welker and Lee Evans anyday over them.

And as for saying the East secondary isn't exactly scary, I did mention that their defense in comparison to other Division bests is average at best.
So if you rate:

AFCN Offense: 8
AFCE Offense: 10

AFCN Defense: 10
AFCE Defense: 5

I would think the AFCN offense would have an easier time driving on the AFCE defense... than Vice Versa.
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I said the east. That offense could be unstoppable and the north's cornerbacks are a tad underwhelming. Their safeties are just beastly though.
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So if you rate:

AFCN Offense: 8
AFCE Offense: 10

AFCN Defense: 10
AFCE Defense: 5

I would think the AFCN offense would have an easier time driving on the AFCE defense... than Vice Versa.
Ok but if you rate the AFC East defense 6 and the offense 10, then AFC North Defense 10 and the offense 6 then it's not as clear cut.The North's offense is just not very explosive
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Ok but if you rate the AFC East defense 6 and the offense 10, then AFC North Defense 10 and the offense 6 then it's not as clear cut.The North's offense is just not very explosive
Not explosive?

Perhaps not, but there is power, speed, and a wide array of both young guns and talented Vets.



I don't know why everyone keeps finding the AFCN DB's "Underwhelming". Ike Taylor has terrible hands, but he just shuts people down. And Jonathon Joseph when healthy is a force, not to mention Fabian Washington/Leon Hall who are 2 younger studs.

You also have to figure as well, the 2 most dangerous safeties in the game in the deep field.


I would say Ward/Ochocinco/Mason/Holmes/Edwards/Clayton/etc would have a much easier time exploiting the AFCE defense than Moss/Welker/Owens would have trying to exploit the AFCN defense.

Not to mention, against the AFCN Front 7, there is no threat from the AFCE run game.

The OL is Underwhelming too. That many Passrushers (Ngata, Rogers, Harrison, Woodley, Timmons, Farrior, Lewis, Suggs)...

Did everyone forget how Tom Terrific did merely 2 seasons ago in the Superbowl against a powerful defense?
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Everyones trashing the AFC North CB's but that front 7 and Reed and Polumalu (best safety tandem in the NFL)more than makes up for it. Defense with a balanced offense wins championships, so the North gets my vote.
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Not explosive?

Perhaps not, but there is power, speed, and a wide array of both young guns and talented Vets.

I would say Ward/Ochocinco/Mason/Holmes/Edwards/Clayton/etc would have a much easier time exploiting the AFCE defense than Moss/Welker/Owens would have trying to exploit the AFCN defense.


Did everyone forget how Tom Terrific did merely 2 seasons ago in the Superbowl against a powerful defense?
But the strength of the AFCE defense is power and stopping the run game. The front 3 (plus Jenkins as a reserve) is designed to stop a running game like that. Revis is a very good corner, outside of him there is alot to be desired, but so are the WR's from the north. They are all solid, but not spectacular (for the most part).

Did you forget how Tom Terrific did against the Steeler, Raven, Giant (first game), Cowboy, and Charger defenses that year? One game doesn't make a case.

Everyone seems to be underrating the AFCE's front 7. The front 3 are beastly, and with Harris and Mayo in the middle and Porter (I hate him but he's good) and Thomas on the outside, that front 7 is beastly in its own right.
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I have to go with the AFC North and that amazing defense on this one. I don't see Marshawn Lynch do anything on the against the north's defense. Even with Tom Brady throwing to T.O. and Randy Moss, I don't see him being able get them too much with both Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu free to roam.

The AFC East has an excellent defense of it's own but I see the AFC North offense being able to do good enough against that defense to get the win.
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I'm going to be Cpt. Obvious but both of you guys are fans of AFC North teams...

However, if the AFC North did beat the AFC South with their offense (P. Manning, D. Clark, R. Wayne, A. Johnson, MJD) then I think they could handily beat the AFC East offense.
The AFC South offense is the best among the AFC Divisions, but their defense was their weak link. The AFC East offense is very good in it's own right, but their defensive Front-7 rivals the AFC North unit. Gonna be hard to run the ball on either defense.

I vastly under-estimated the AFC East squad. It's easily the most balanced Division in the AFC.
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You really get a feel for how deep these divisions are the more reseves you toss in. I should have been doing that all along. I went 7 deep this round just so you can get a better feel for each squad.
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However, if the AFC North did beat the AFC South with their offense (P. Manning, D. Clark, R. Wayne, A. Johnson, MJD) then I think they could handily beat the AFC East offense.
That's my reasoning, that last offense was much stronger, this one would be easier to contain.
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Channing Crowder would be a nice ILB for the East along with Mayo and Harris. Jason Taylor is back too so he could get some time at OLB with Adailus, Porter, and Pace. The North defense is more star studded but I think the East defense would be very, very good. The 3-4 DL would be insane, the LBs would be talented with some really nice depth, and the secondary would be very good too. Meriweather would be a valuable backup because he can play anywhere in the secondary.
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