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Old 05-17-2009, 02:13 PM    (permalink
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AFC North

Record: 2-0
Defeated AFC South & AFC East


QB Ben Roethlisberger (PIT)
RB Willie Parker (PIT)
FB Le'Ron McClain (BAL)
WR Hines Ward (PIT)
WR Chad Ochocinco (CIN)
TE Heath Miller (PIT)
LT Joe Thomas (CLE)
LG Eric Steinbach (CLE)
C Matt Birk (BAL)
RG Ben Grubbs (BAL)
RT Jared Gaither (BAL)

DE Aaron Smith (PIT)
NT Shaun Rogers (CLE)
DE Haloti Ngata (BAL)
OLB James Harrison (PIT)
ILB Ray Lewis (BAL)
ILB James Farrior (PIT)
OLB Terrell Suggs (BAL)
CB Leon Hall (CIN)
CB Ike Taylor (PIT)
FS Ed Reed (BAL)
SS Troy Polamalu (SS)

10 Notable Reserves: DE/OLB LaMarr Woodley (PIT), WR Braylon Edwards (CLE), CB Jonathan Joseph (CLE), LB D'Qwell Jackson (CLE), WR Derrick Mason (BAL), CB Eric Wright (CLE), PR/KR Joshua Cribbs (CLE), DE Trevor Pryce (BAL), QB Carson Palmer (CIN), WR Santonio Holmes (PIT)


NFC North

Record: 2-0
Defeated NFC South & NFC East


QB Jay Cutler (CHI)
RB Adrian Peterson (MIN)
FB Naufahu Tahi (MIN)
WR Calvin Johnson (DET)
WR Greg Jennings (GB)
TE Greg Olsen (CHI)
LT Bryant McKinney (MIN)
LG Steve Hutchinson (MIN)
C Olin Kreutz (CHI)
G Anthony Herrera (MIN)
RT Orlando Pace (CHI)

DE Jared Allen (MIN)
DT Pat Williams (MIN)
DT Kevin Williams (MIN)
DE Aaron Kampman (GB)
OLB Lance Briggs (CHI)
MLB Brian Urlacher (CHI)
OLB Chad Greenway (MIN)
CB Charles Woodson (GB)
CB Antoine Winfield (MIN)
FS Nick Collins (GB)
SS Kevin Payne (CHI)

10 Notable Reserves: QB Aaron Rodgers (GB), RB Matt Forte (CHI), KR/PR Devin Hester (CHI), CB Charles Tillman (CHI), WR Bernard Berrian (MIN), WR Donald Driver (GB), LB A.J. Hawk (GB), LB Nick Barnett (GB), RB Chester Taylor (MIN), OT Kevin Shaffer (CHI)
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this will be easy....the AFC North by far
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I don't trust Cutler or the NFCN secondary enough to vote for them. The AFCN front 7 and safety combo would be impossible to move the ball. AFC has great receivers, backs and OL, and Ben just wins games. I'd love to see him play behind that line.
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Once again it is a very good offense but the AFCN defense is just insane
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Defensive game for sure. Perfect smash mouth game. I don't think Parker would do much running, maybe he breaks one big one, if a NFC safety misses a tackle.

The three keys are Ngata with Harrison blitzing on McKinnie. Cutlers blind side is in serious jeopardy. Second key is those 2 safeties for the AFC just take away any deep game for Calvin and Berrian along with the blindside issue taking away the deep threats.The final key is Big Ben is very very clutch.

Any chance through the NFC North goes through Adrian Peterson and Shaun Rogers getting gassed. Although Hampton coming in for that might be an upgrade. Hampton and Rogers played together at Texas. That is sick.

AFC North 10-7.
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This is a close one. But the AFC North wins the battle in the trenches and to me, that is more important than winning the skill position players.
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NFC North no doubt. Their skill positions blow away the AFC North's skill positions.

QB- NFC
RB- NFC
WR- NFC
OL- AFC
DL- push
LB- AFC
CB- NFC
S- AFC
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Yeah, I just realised the afc would have a better o-line but the NFC is still better as a whole.
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I went with the NFC North.
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Shaun Rogers and Ray Lewis up the middle with Taylor and Hall at CB. That's gonna allow the NFC North's offense to produce.
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These defenses are just plain sick.

I give the AFCN a slight defensive edge and the NFCN a slightly bigger offensive edge. I think the fact that the AFC's edge is on defense to make up for the NFC's slightly large edge. But I see this as essentially a coin flip, so I chose to be a homer and picked the NFCN.
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This would be one hell of a matchup. I went with the NFC North, b/c of the big difference to the skill position players. I see things this way:
QB- push
RB- NFC by a lot
WR-NFC by quite a bit
TE- push
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DL- NFC slightly, due to 4 vs. 3
LB- AFC, but the NFC North has very good LBs as well
CB- NFC by a good margin
S- AFC by a lot
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I would grant a push to the DL's as well. Both are absolutely epic for their styles of play.
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Still like the NFC North's front 7 plus AP. Uber pwnage. The d-line alone would run stop better that some entire defenses.

The AFC North's front 7 looks a little old in spots....and I don't love their run game with just Parker.
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It's easily the NFC North for me. I like their 4-3 Front-7 over the AFCN Front-7, and the CB's more. The AFCN has better safeties, but with worse corners, they're not as significant of a difference as they would be. The NFCN has the better offense, and while their OL isn't as good as the AFCN's, they can run-block. Adrian Peterson just clinches things for me.
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Ed Reed+Troy Polamalu=



Thus, AFC North...
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It's easily the NFC North for me. I like their 4-3 Front-7 over the AFCN Front-7, and the CB's more. The AFCN has better safeties, but with worse corners, they're not as significant of a difference as they would be. The NFCN has the better offense, and while their OL isn't as good as the AFCN's, they can run-block. Adrian Peterson just clinches things for me.
I don't see how anyone could easily say it is one or the other. I like the 3-4 front 7 over the 4-3 of the NFCN. The linebackers for the AFCN are made for stopping the run and getting to the QB. Yes the NFCN corners might be better than the AFCN corners but the AFCN safeties are better than the NFCN safeties and IMO are on a whole other level than the NFCN safeties. I don't think the NFCN corners are on a whole other lever than the AFCN corners so I think DB's would go in favor of the AFCN. Ed Reed+Troy P.= WIN
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I don't see how anyone could easily say it is one or the other. I like the 3-4 front 7 over the 4-3 of the NFCN. The linebackers for the AFCN are made for stopping the run and getting to the QB. Yes the NFCN corners might be better than the AFCN corners but the AFCN safeties are better than the NFCN safeties and IMO are on a whole other level than the NFCN safeties. I don't think the NFCN corners are on a whole other lever than the AFCN corners so I think DB's would go in favor of the AFCN. Ed Reed+Troy P.= WIN
Well, I have a thing for 4-3 fronts like you do for 3-4 fronts! ;) And I was just being dramatic with the easy part.

That 4-3 line is just gobble-gobble-gobble, for the lack of a better term. Kevin Williams, in my opinion, is the 2nd best DT in the NFL behind Albert Haynesworth. They have the best defensive lineman, along with Pat Williams who can anchor, and two excellent pass-rushers with non-stop motors in Allen and Kampman. Having a DL that can stop the run and stop the passer allows you to do a lot on defense.

I'd just rather have the best talent along the DL and CB's. The AFCN has the sexy blitz aspect, but if that isn't successful, I don't want Ike Taylor vs Calvin Johnson to be the deciding matchup.

But, as I said before, with Adrian Peterson they have the superior rushing attack and can wear down a defense - even one as vaunted as the AFCN...

...AD will definitely need an icebath afterwards though. :D
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The AFC North's offense is WEAK. They really should have lost to the AFC South and East.
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The AFC North's offense is WEAK. They really should have lost to the AFC South and East.
How are they weak? I mean it is not as flashy as the other teams but they are not weak. A huge O-line to get Willis and Willie good yards. Hines Ward and 85 and if you add Mason it is all about 1st downs when it comes to passing. Yea we won't have huge passes but it would be about clock management and playing defense. With Ed Reed and Troy P. in coverage I can see at least 2 interceptions and one for a TD.
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How are they weak? I mean it is not as flashy as the other teams but they are not weak. A huge O-line to get Willis and Willie good yards. Hines Ward and 85 and if you add Mason it is all about 1st downs when it comes to passing. Yea we won't have huge passes but it would be about clock management and playing defense. With Ed Reed and Troy P. in coverage I can see at least 2 interceptions and one for a TD.
For a normal NFL team, that would be a great offense...but for a division All-Pro team, facing the amazing defenses that other division all-pro teams field, it is very weak.
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Kevin Williams+ Pat Williams + Tommie Harris (How was he left out) + Aaron Kampman + Jared Allen=



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RB Adrian Peterson (MIN)
RB Matt Forte (CHI)
WR Calvin Johnson (DET)
WR Greg Jennings (GB)
WR Bernard Berrian (MIN)
WR Donald Driver (GB)
TE Greg Olsen (CHI)
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Thus, NFC North...
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How are they weak? I mean it is not as flashy as the other teams but they are not weak. A huge O-line to get Willis and Willie good yards. Hines Ward and 85 and if you add Mason it is all about 1st downs when it comes to passing. Yea we won't have huge passes but it would be about clock management and playing defense. With Ed Reed and Troy P. in coverage I can see at least 2 interceptions and one for a TD.
It can be tough to have clock management if you can't run the ball. The Williams brothers are great against the run, if they can't run it will be very tough for a weak passing game.

The NFC North has a very good passing offense, the AFC can't mainly focus on the run like the NFC defense can.
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The NFC North for me, both have great defenses albeit AFC North is better on that side, but it's not as huge of a gap as it is for the offenses on both sides, and the NFC North would score more then 7 points very easily even against that defense.
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