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Old 05-19-2009, 02:12 PM    (permalink
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Lies. Nothing makes Charles Woodson less effective.
not even Charles Woodson?
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not even Charles Woodson?
Charles Woodson is like a fine wine. He gets better with age. He won the Heisman at the age of 20. Now he's a Pro Bowl corner. Imagine when he's, like, 65? He'll be picking off 30 passes per year.
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How can you make the determination that the NFC North would play a Cover 2?
I just figured that Det/Chi/Minn played some form of the Tampa2 led me to believe that the players involved would likely be best set in one?
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I just figured that Det/Chi/Minn played some form of the Tampa2 led me to believe that the players involved would likely be best set in one?
The Tampa 2 is a dying breed. Sure, the NFC North teams implement some Cover 2/Tampa 2 concepts into their schemes like all defenses but they definitely aren't "pure" Cover 2/Tampa 2 teams. Those teams are few and far between in today's NFL.
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The Tampa 2 is a dying breed. Sure, the NFC North teams implement some Cover 2/Tampa 2 concepts into their schemes like all defenses but they definitely aren't "pure" Cover 2/Tampa 2 teams. Those teams are few and far between in today's NFL.
Define "pure" Cover/Tampa 2. Because I really don't know what else Chicago plays, or why they keep drafting defensive players that are best fit for that type of defense. At the very least, the great majority of Chicago's defense is made up of it.
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Define "pure" Cover/Tampa 2. Because I really don't know what else Chicago plays, or why they keep drafting defensive players that are best fit for that type of defense. At the very least, the great majority of Chicago's defense is made up of it.
Well Urlacher and Briggs are certainly not linebackers who are confined to the Cover 2 or Tampa 2 and they are really the only significant players on the NFCN's defense. Guys like Winfield and Woodson are made for man defense anyway.
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because that would make Woodson less effective
Not really. Woodson would still be damn good in a cover 2.
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Well Urlacher and Briggs are certainly not linebackers who are confined to the Cover 2 or Tampa 2 and they are really the only significant players on the NFCN's defense. Guys like Winfield and Woodson are made for man defense anyway.
I'm pretty sure the Bears run exclusively the Tampa 2. Our safeties play a huge part in the passing game, with the corners usually covering specific zones, either short or out.

Idk what Urlacher you are talking about, but Brian Urlacher is a perfect MLB for a cover/tampa 2. He does his best work when dropping into the zone. We use our OLBs to cover short routes with the CBs, with Urlacher sitting to cover the middle that is left void by our safeties covering so much ground. If you watch big passing plays we give up, they are always to the middle, over Urlacher and between the safeties. That is the big weakness in a cover/tampa 2.

Again, I'm not sure what you were referring to, but the Bears pretty much always run a tampa 2 and Urlacher is a perfect MLB for it (idk now that he's getting older, but in his prime he was).
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I'm pretty sure the Bears run exclusively the Tampa 2. Our safeties play a huge part in the passing game, with the corners usually covering specific zones, either short or out.

Idk what Urlacher you are talking about, but Brian Urlacher is a perfect MLB for a cover/tampa 2. He does his best work when dropping into the zone. We use our OLBs to cover short routes with the CBs, with Urlacher sitting to cover the middle that is left void by our safeties covering so much ground. If you watch big passing plays we give up, they are always to the middle, over Urlacher and between the safeties. That is the big weakness in a cover/tampa 2.

Again, I'm not sure what you were referring to, but the Bears pretty much always run a tampa 2 and Urlacher is a perfect MLB for it (idk now that he's getting older, but in his prime he was).
I was making the point that Urlacher isn't confined to a Cover 2/Tampa 2, not that he isn't a good player in that scheme.
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I was making the point that Urlacher isn't confined to a Cover 2/Tampa 2, not that he isn't a good player in that scheme.
Ah, my mistake, I misread. But still, they may not be confined to it, but they, especially Urlacher, do their best work in it. Also, with the strength of the NFCN's DL, I think it would most likely be the best choice for them to play a Cover 2 scheme. If they did, the safeties would still be a big liability, but the skill/strength we have at corner would be able to make up for it.
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AFCN won right? Polls are closed? and like always, the people are right!
AFCN is too nasty for flashy players to play like their expected. My rookie RBs shoulder (Mendenhall), proves that all it takes is one good Ray Lewis hit to put AP on the ground!
And I understand your love for Cutler; I was so happy to see him leave Denver for Soldier Field, but Big Ben is freakin awesome! And our (Steelers) below-average line did a pretty good job of handling the Williams/Allen trio, so I imagine the AFCN All Pro team Oline could do better.
On paper, C. Johnson and Jennings are scary, but punch them in the mouth and see what happens; we are the AFC North after all...and that's how we do!
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Not really. Woodson would still be damn good in a cover 2.
not saying he wouldnt, but his man coverage is better than his zone isnt it
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AFCN won right? Polls are closed? and like always, the people are right!
No, it isn't. For whatever reason there isn't a close time set on the poll.

There isn't anything saying when it was supposed to close either.
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AFCN won right? Polls are closed? and like always, the people are right!
AFCN is too nasty for flashy players to play like their expected. My rookie RBs shoulder (Mendenhall), proves that all it takes is one good Ray Lewis hit to put AP on the ground!
And I understand your love for Cutler; I was so happy to see him leave Denver for Soldier Field, but Big Ben is freakin awesome! And our (Steelers) below-average line did a pretty good job of handling the Williams/Allen trio, so I imagine the AFCN All Pro team Oline could do better.
On paper, C. Johnson and Jennings are scary, but punch them in the mouth and see what happens; we are the AFC North after all...and that's how we do!
When did the Steelers line handle the Williams and Allen? Do you mean in the preseason last year? If so, that is a terrible way to base things on. The last time the two teams played a meaningful game was before Jared Allen was a Viking. Also, polls aren't closed. It was supposed to close at midnight ET last night, but for whatever reason didn't, and I believe the NFC north was ahead at that time.
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Diab said this on the 17th, but if the poll never closes? Diab is running this, and if he keeps his word, technically the NFC North wins as they had the most votes at Midnight. It'd be up to him though.

Most of these have been pushes though, and the championship is no different. It'd be cool to get loser brackets going if we wanted to kill time.
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The AFC has Troy P and Ed Reed if we are naming 2 playmakers.
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The AFC has Troy P and Ed Reed if we are naming 2 playmakers.
I'm sorry, but safeties probably have the smallest effect on the game of any position(other than TE and FB) and this is coming from a former safety.
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Tell that the 2006 Indianapolis Colts defense.
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I'm sorry, but safeties probably have the smallest effect on the game of any position(other than TE and FB) and this is coming from a former safety.
Makes for a fun game.

Can anyone name the irrelevant All-Pro Safety who is coincidentally associated with each of these dominant defenses?

(1) 49ers circa 1989
(2) Cowboys circa 1994
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Not if you're a good safety.
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The problem with safeties is that they are so close in skill level except for the elite talents like Sanders, Reed, Polamalu, etc.

There's not much different from the 10th best safety to the 30th best safety.
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The problem with safeties is that they are so close in skill level except for the elite talents like Sanders, Reed, Polamalu, etc.

There's not much different from the 10th best safety to the 30th best safety.
I would dispute there being no difference between the 10th best safety and the 30th best safety. But aside from that, Polamalu and Reed are the safeties in question, and by your own admission, they're on another level.
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Can anyone name the irrelevant All-Pro Safety who is coincidentally associated with each of these dominant defenses?

(1) 49ers circa 1989
(2) Cowboys circa 1994
(3) Buccaneers circa 2000
(4) Ravens circa 2000 and 2006 (bonus trick question!)
(5) Patriots circa 2003
(6) Steelers circa 2005

no cheating.
1. Ronnie Lott
2. Darren Woodson
3. John Lynch
4. Rod Woodson and Ed Reed
5. Rodney Harrison
6. Troy Polumalu

And yes, they have a huge impact. Ask any ravens fan, or colts fan for that matter. Game winning, 50-100+ yd td, int returns are Ed Reed's signature move.
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