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Old 07-15-2009, 06:19 PM    (permalink
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Default Randy Moss - Most influential football player ever?

Maybe, according to Jason Whitlock.

http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/1325446.html

I don't think I'd say he's the most "influential" but I don't think anyone would have a problem saying he's one of the most freakish athletes of all time in any sport. Whitlock says he might be the most influential but he doesn't go into who or what he influenced.

What do you fellas think?
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Try "HELL NO," Whitlock has zero knowledge of the history of the game and needs to shut his mouth.
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He changed how defenses covered deep passing. And that is a big part of todays game.
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He changed how defenses covered deep passing. And that is a big part of todays game.
Well without Dan Fouts and Coryell there wouldn't be deep passing as we know it, forget the defenses.

Deion turned the game into a show. Jim Brown played 1 v. 11, required more attention than Moss ever did. Fran Tarkenton redefined quarterbacking with his scrambling. Lawrence Taylor changed everything. The NFL's history is too long and too deep for a guy like Moss to even be considered for most influential.
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I'd say Lawrence Taylor was more influential. Because defense were actually changed in the way that they scouted for certain players.

Randy Moss I don't think changed anything that wasn't already in place. He's just a very hard player to play against. But he didn't change how receivers were necessarily drafted or scouted. I'd say Terrell Owens would be more influential that Moss was. He has/had a good mix of power and speed that honestly hasn't really been seen before and is very versatile. Moss has a lot of speed and although he is physical to a good degree, I wouldn't put him up there with Owens in that area. Other guys like Raymond Berry who perfected route running and Bob Hayes who was a known speedster made just a big an impact among wideouts in terms of transforming the game.
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Moss'd him.
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I think Moss brought the size factor to the game. I don't think there were many 6'4+ WR in the game before him that has his abilties; he opened a lot of eyes with that effect, imo.
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He changed how defenses covered deep passing. And that is a big part of todays game.
How exactly? The NFL had been running zone defenses and deep double coverage since Bob Hayes came on the scene in the 60's.

Randy Moss is, without a doubt, the most talented wide receiver I have ever seen and ever expect to see. But influence isn't synonymous with talent anyway you define the two.
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Well, I suppose it could be argued (especially by Denny Green) that Moss brought back the bomb/deep ball into the league, but that's not near a cause of influence as much as it is a product of his own talents. Which can hardly be recreated, especially by scheme. Moss is the most talented receiver ever, or at least up until Calvin Johnson recently.

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Moss' single-season record 23 TDs in 2007 obviously helped, but he scored at least 15 three previous times and found the end zone on 11 occasions in a "down" 2008 season.
Just noticed the OP says this is from Jason Witless. That explains a lot.
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I think Moss along with a few other wide receivers helped to revolutionise the way defenses play the game.

The most influential? No, not a chance. But a part of a positional revolution that has altered the game? Without doubt
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Most influential? No... Possibly the best receiver ever? Maybe.
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Most influential? No... Possibly the best receiver ever? Maybe.

I still don't think he has surpassed Mr. Rice. He's going to need another 2-3 elite level seasons before we can discuss Moss vs. Rice imo.
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shouldnt Jason Whitlock be doing his Stephen A. Smith impression?
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ummm... Don Hutson anybody? Basically invented "wide receiver"
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I still don't think he has surpassed Mr. Rice. He's going to need another 2-3 elite level seasons before we can discuss Moss vs. Rice imo.
Yah, I would say like 5 though. Do I hear 6 who can give me a six, six going once...
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I kind of found it humorous that he says Randy Moss should've won the MVP award in 1998.

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Not discrediting Moss' outstanding year, but saying Moss should've won the MVP outright in '98 is just ridiculous.
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He makes some really good points in that article, but I think it's a tad overkill to call him the most influential player ever. I dont even know if hes the most influential WR ever... Don Hutson has a great argument for that title.
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I still don't think he has surpassed Mr. Rice. He's going to need another 2-3 elite level seasons before we can discuss Moss vs. Rice imo.
Well you could discuss that comparison now. Honestly Jerry Rice isn't the most physically gifted receiver I've ever seen. He was fast, but he didn't have Moss speed. And he was physical, but Owens had more in that area. But regardless, I think Rice is still a better receiver because he was the ultimate warrior in terms of dedicating his craft. I think he only missed one or two practices his entire career (as in not show up). He was definitely the hardest working receiver I've ever seen, and a true testament to the phrase "practice makes perfect".
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