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Old 07-28-2009, 01:29 AM    (permalink
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Oh, I missed that he was the same size as Freeny and did well in OTAs. Hall of fame.
Yeah it's written in the same place as next years draft class who're yet to have their final seasons in college and declare for the draft are automatically better than a guy with excellent triangle numbers despite his height, great feedback already from coaches and team mates and a great college career playing under a coordinator who knows how to utilise him perfectly in a system suited to his talents.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I said he'll be fine in the NFL, and nothing more, contorting my words is a douche act, dunno why you'd bother.
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Old 07-28-2009, 04:54 AM    (permalink
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Yeah it's written in the same place as next years draft class who're yet to have their final seasons in college and declare for the draft are automatically better than a guy with excellent triangle numbers despite his height, great feedback already from coaches and team mates and a great college career playing under a coordinator who knows how to utilise him perfectly in a system suited to his talents.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I said he'll be fine in the NFL, and nothing more, contorting my words is a douche act, dunno why you'd bother.
i can even say how much fail this argument is.
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Old 07-28-2009, 06:39 AM    (permalink
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i can even say how much fail this argument is.
Yeah it's pretty fail to say a guy who was drafted to fit a coordinator and a system is in a position to do ok.

I'm such a homer, I said a guy should be fine.

wow.
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Old 07-28-2009, 06:49 AM    (permalink
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Yeah it's pretty fail to say a guy who was drafted to fit a coordinator and a system is in a position to do ok.

I'm such a homer, I said a guy should be fine.

wow.
its not even preseason.
what the coaches say or teammates is ******* useless. People were all over Earl Bennetts nuts around this time in Chicago. Look how that played out.
Measurables are useless in the NFL. Thats why Al Davis doesnt have the best draft every year.

To say this was a good pick, and to assume that a first round pick was worth, just because the college players havent played yet and you assume no one is going to be better than him in the first round? really? i mean you think if he was that great, you dont think any other team wouldve jumped on him? Its not like a QB or a TE that is only a need marginal. Pass rushers are always needed. To think the Lions passed on him 3 times although their defense is horrible, you really think he's got to be awesome or gonna be great cause he is as big as freeney.

Thats why people think you are a homer.
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its not even preseason.
what the coaches say or teammates is ******* useless. People were all over Earl Bennetts nuts around this time in Chicago. Look how that played out.
Measurables are useless in the NFL. Thats why Al Davis doesnt have the best draft every year.

To say this was a good pick, and to assume that a first round pick was worth, just because the college players havent played yet and you assume no one is going to be better than him in the first round? really? i mean you think if he was that great, you dont think any other team wouldve jumped on him? Its not like a QB or a TE that is only a need marginal. Pass rushers are always needed. To think the Lions passed on him 3 times although their defense is horrible, you really think he's got to be awesome or gonna be great cause he is as big as freeney.

Thats why people think you are a homer.
I think he's going to be fine, I didn't say great, because the largest reason for his fall was that he wasn't wanting to switch to an OLB in a 34 and was possibly too small to be a 43 end in most systems. Neither are issues in Carolina's case. That's why he's going to be fine.

The fact that he's already making impressions says to me that the cost of having a known commodity for cheap, is better than paying double for an unknown one.

Unless you disagree with knowing what you have, paying less for it and filling a need within a system, there isn't really any way you can say I'm wrong or a homer.

All I've said is the knock on this guy coming out don't apply in this case and he'll be fine in the system. Why get so bent out of shape?

by the way, I wouldn't use the Lions as an example of who to draft, from what I recall, it's not exactly their strong suit.
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all TT said is taht he prolly has his reasons to fall to the 2nd round. u bring up measurables and compare him to two great accomplished DEs in the league.
To think he fell because he didnt want to be in a 3-4 should make u think. I mean Carolina isnt the only team that uses undersized DEs.

He wasnt a known commodity when u picked him. The chance to have great pass rushers in the first round is always higher than the pass rushers in the second. Thats why it is so rare to trade ur future first for a 2nd rounder. I mean, you dont think if it was normal people wouldve started to question the move?

You really think being undersized for a DE was the only know on him?

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What in the world is that supposed to mean???

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What in the world is that supposed to mean???

Last I checked 7 players drafted BEFORE Crabtree have yet to sign.
I think he said that because of the reports that he's wanting more money than the 10th pick should probably get.
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Not from what's already been said about him. He's under ron meeks too, he did a little something with two guys in Indianapolis.
Meeks didn't do **** for Freeney and Mathis. The only important coach for those guys is defensive line coach John Teerlink.
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Honestly, I don't know why Eugene Monroe hasn't signed yet. He was picked 8th. The Jaguars picked Derrick Harvey 8th just last year. It's just a matter of how much of an incremental increase the Jags are willing to give, because the base is already there.

And it's not like Monroe can hold the Jags hostage. Tra Thomas is just begging for the opportunity to take the starting left tackle position and sit on it all year.
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I hope Oakland breaks the bank on Bey and Crabtree holds out for even more.

I love the guys that think they deserve paid better than their slot says. Sure you were said to be drafted higher but guess what? You didn't. Crabtree and Quinn are the last two i can think of who thought they deserved paid like where they thought they were gonna go.
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What in the world is that supposed to mean???

Last I checked 7 players drafted BEFORE Crabtree have yet to sign.
PLayers ahead of him are hesitant to sign because they dont want to sign and have him come in later and get more.

Players after him don't wanna sign because if he gets more than he should, they think they'll be able to.
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its not even preseason.
what the coaches say or teammates is ******* useless. People were all over Earl Bennetts nuts around this time in Chicago. Look how that played out.
Measurables are useless in the NFL. Thats why Al Davis doesnt have the best draft every year.

To say this was a good pick, and to assume that a first round pick was worth, just because the college players havent played yet and you assume no one is going to be better than him in the first round? really? i mean you think if he was that great, you dont think any other team wouldve jumped on him? Its not like a QB or a TE that is only a need marginal. Pass rushers are always needed. To think the Lions passed on him 3 times although their defense is horrible, you really think he's got to be awesome or gonna be great cause he is as big as freeney.

Thats why people think you are a homer.
Cliff Avril is all the pass rush the Lions need.
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Eric Wood signed. I may be the only person to think Wood will be a better pro than Mack.
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Eric Wood signed. I may be the only person to think Wood will be a better pro than Mack.
Probably. Alex Mack is a beast.
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Eric Wood signed. I may be the only person to think Wood will be a better pro than Mack.
I like both a lot. Mack I liked a little better, but I'm very happy with Wood (hehe).

We're playing him at guard, anyway. At least for now. Wouldn't surprise me to see him step in and be the best player on the line. Which is kind of unfortunate :/
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I think Wood is just a plain nasty run blocker. He has that real tenacity and gets after guys.
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PLayers ahead of him are hesitant to sign because they dont want to sign and have him come in later and get more.

Players after him don't wanna sign because if he gets more than he should, they think they'll be able to.
Yeah, blame it all on one guy. Makes sense. If they hold out they are no different.
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Yeah, blame it all on one guy. Makes sense. If they hold out they are no different.
right, because if you were taken a pick, or two, ahead of Carbtree, you will accept less then he would...the fact that there are rumors of Carbtree wanting top 3 money will slow things down.
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right, because if you were taken a pick, or two, ahead of Carbtree, you will accept less then he would...the fact that there are rumors of Carbtree wanting top 3 money will slow things down.
Carbtree was not a top 3 talent. It's in my eyes befuddling that he's asking/expecting to get that kind of money.
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I really don't see any way that Andre Smith signs before DHB, once he gets signed I hope to see some progress. I'd expect at least a week holdout with him, hope I'm wrong.
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The fact that you guys blame the #10 pick for the fact that the #2 pick has yet to sign is absolutely laughable and sprayed with conspiracy that would make Alex Jones, Oliver Stone, and Michael Moore proud.

I'm not defending Michael Crabtree for perhaps holding out. He's stupid if he does. The 49ers are deep at WR and will not miss him as much as people think. What I am defending is the fact it is extremely unfair to criticize one player for wanting more money when nearly every other player has yet to sign because they'll want more money too.
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Carbtree was not a top 3 talent. It's in my eyes befuddling that he's asking/expecting to get that kind of money.
Until Paraag Marathe or Eugene Parker come out and say it, these reports are completely rumor.

In my opinion, a reporter heard Eugene Parker say that his priority was getting his client #3 money... which is appropriate because Tyson Jackson is a client of Eugene Parker.
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