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Old 08-05-2009, 01:19 PM    (permalink
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Who is the cap guy for the Chargers? We actually have a damn good guy in Kevin Abrams.
Ed McGuire I believe. He's been pretty money for a while now but obviously with a ton of UFA coming up he has his work cut out for him. Rivers' is actually quoted in an interview saying "It won't be an issue" this last week, and if we have to cut the rest of the team, Philip will stay. He is AJ's golden boy.

Merriman? Well thank you franchise tag. Would be huge to keep Vincent Jackson as well.
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Wow.... Not worth it IMO
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Ed McGuire I believe. He's been pretty money for a while now but obviously with a ton of UFA coming up he has his work cut out for him. Rivers' is actually quoted in an interview saying "It won't be an issue" this last week, and if we have to cut the rest of the team, Philip will stay. He is AJ's golden boy.

Merriman? Well thank you franchise tag. Would be huge to keep Vincent Jackson as well.
We're talking about a team that lowballed LT and let Michael Turner go. . .
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Wow.... Not worth it IMO
That's the going cost for the best Bus Driver QB in the league though.
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Some people just don't like Eli and have wanted him to fail for a long time. He's viewed as growing up with a silver spoon in his mouth, stuck up and aloof by many. Refusing to play for the Chargers didn't help his popularity. Personally I think he's a solid starting QB who still has upside. I think the Giants know what they're doing. They've been to the playoffs every year he's been the full time starter.
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Eli is a franchise QB, but he is like a blue-light special bargain-basement franchise QB. He is prone to bonehead moves on a consistent basis. Its nice to have stability at QB, but I would doubt Eli could get them another championship.
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Eli is a franchise QB, but he is like a blue-light special bargain-basement franchise QB. He is prone to bonehead moves on a consistent basis. Its nice to have stability at QB, but I would doubt Eli could get them another championship.
He can't? With the defense he has, he definitely can. I think of it this way, just as Scott's moniker is if you don't have a franchise Qb, you draft one. If you have one, you sure as hell don't let him go, no matter the cost. That is this. Yes, it is costly, but if the Giants played hard ball and the unthinkable actually happened, Eli leaving New York, what would the fall-out be then? SO much worse than the money they had to pay.
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We're talking about a team that lowballed LT and let Michael Turner go. . .
It's not like we were going to keep Michael Turner. LT walks on water here. And honestly getting Ladainian to take less money probably counts as a good thing if you're grading capologists.
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Some people just don't like Eli and have wanted him to fail for a long time. He's viewed as growing up with a silver spoon in his mouth, stuck up and aloof by many. Refusing to play for the Chargers didn't help his popularity. Personally I think he's a solid starting QB who still has upside. I think the Giants know what they're doing. They've been to the playoffs every year he's been the full time starter.

Welcome to a lot of the general NFL fan base, including a lot of our fan base who loved Carrie Collins. As soon we got Eli, every step of the way it's a battle between our anti eli group, and the rest of the fan base..

I have no clue where the hate comes from. He didn't want to play for the Chargers, but Elway didn't want to play for a team either. Sadly people just don't like him, and probably have no good reason for it.
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That's the going cost for the best Bus Driver QB in the league though.
16 million a year is not going rate on a QB in the NFL.
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16 million a year is not going rate on a QB in the NFL.
Correction. Apparently it is.
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people are looking at this the entirely wrong way. Honestly, I dont care if Eli doesn't lead the league in passing yards, completion % or fewest INT's thrown. I don't. Would they be nice? of course. But Eli is the face of the franchise, has mastered the NY media, won a ring, was our captain, etc etc. Not paying him would mean:
-re-sign Carr, have him start.
-Start Bomar
-Start Woodson
- Draft someone
- Sign a mediocre FA QB to start and have them learn the system.

Everyone in Giants camp is happy about it. We got our guy. And you know what, if Eli's so mediocre, than how come teams haven't exploited him enough to keep him out of the playoffs?

Again, if someone says it was all the defense in the SB playoff run, I will just bring up the fact we had Geoffery Pope playing in that game and RW McQuarters made 2 game sealing INT's. Yea, pure dominance with those two...
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16 million a year is not going rate on a QB in the NFL.
obviously it is.

again, this contract won't seem so massive in a few years.

and who knows? maybe we're paying him for his accomplishments and his ring. And you know what? I'll gladly exchange this huge contract for that ring we got and a chance that he can lead us there again.

the only downside is that it now affects my Madden strategy in fantasy drafts...
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No faith in Andre Woodson?
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Andre Woodson is the 4th QB. Why would they have faith in him? haha.
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Andre Woodson is the 4th QB. Why would they have faith in him? haha.
Well he is Andre 'recite the alphabet before I release the ball' Woodson!
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Correction. Apparently it is.
Matt Stafford got screwed ;)
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if Eli's so mediocre, than how come teams haven't exploited him enough to keep him out of the playoffs?
Completely fallacious logic on your part, but then again, i realized who was posting.

The fact that the Giants have been in the Playoffs has more to do with the team around him than him being the quarterback, and there's no ifs ands or buts about that.

All the Giants fans are here trying to justify this contract, but when it's time to pay the piper, and Eli is collecting his million dollar paychecks two years from now, you all will be crying as he throws his 1.1 interceptions per game.
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Completely fallacious logic on your part, but then again, i realized who was posting.

The fact that the Giants have been in the Playoffs has more to do with the team around him than him being the quarterback, and there's no ifs ands or buts about that.

All the Giants fans are here trying to justify this contract, but when it's time to pay the piper, and Eli is collecting his million dollar paychecks two years from now, you all will be crying as he throws his 1.1 interceptions per game.
No this isn't true at all. I bet most of the Giants fans here will all be happy he's still our QB.
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Agreed. We keep our QB under contract for the next 7 years, Eli gets paid, and it isn't big enough to severely effect our cap situation. I'm very happy with this deal.
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We know we can win a Super Bowl with Eli as QB while most teams in the NFL are still looking for that player. We found ours so of course we're going to pay him the rate that QB's get. In 2 years when he is the 4th or 5th highest paid QB you guys won't be complaining anymore and Giants fans will still be happy.
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Completely fallacious logic on your part, but then again, i realized who was posting.

The fact that the Giants have been in the Playoffs has more to do with the team around him than him being the quarterback, and there's no ifs ands or buts about that.

All the Giants fans are here trying to justify this contract, but when it's time to pay the piper, and Eli is collecting his million dollar paychecks two years from now, you all will be crying as he throws his 1.1 interceptions per game.
I'll cry probably as much as you did when you saw him celebrating 2 years ago in Dallas stadium as Jerry shredded those tickets he left on his players' seats in the locker room...oh wait, no because I'm glad we locked up our super bowl winning QB for 7 years. You know, he guy who's never missed the playoffs as a full time starter.

like seriously, we know you're a blatent giants hater/cowboys homer. we get it, cool. and oh, I'm so hurt by the whole logic comment you opened with trying to rile me up. Nice try.
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Eli can be respected. He's certainly earned this contract. NYG fans have reason to be happy that they've locked him up. He's just a bus driver qb, that's all. You can win with those and he happens to be the best one out there imo.

The only concern is if this contract becomes a hinderance to future signings. Because Eli without a strong supporting cast does not get the job done as we all have seen.

The best way to resolve that though is by drafting well.... and the Giants have proven to be one of the best if not the best in the league at drafting well.

So I can see future success. The key is to keep drafting well and getting good production from your cheap labor.

Future big FA signings don't look great though. Unless the NFL goes uncapped and then all hell should break loose.
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