Draft Countdown Forums

Go Back   Draft Countdown Forums > Draft Countdown Forums > Team Boards > New York Giants Team Forum

New York Giants Team Forum Discuss the G-Men

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-24-2007, 08:15 PM    (permalink
Number 10
All-NFLDC
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 11,267
Reputation: 1269
Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.
Default

Check out my WR preview.

http://mvn.com/nfl-giants/2007/03/24...vers/#more-963
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul View Post
Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikes99ej View Post
These last 50 seconds will define Eli Manning.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Number 10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2007, 09:32 PM    (permalink
ricky bobby
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Oh please give me a good reputation. I'm so concerned with what you think about me!
Posts: 2,731
Reputation: 215
ricky bobby hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 10 View Post
I think you forgot Steve Smith.
ricky bobby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2007, 09:52 PM    (permalink
LTgiants
All-NFLDC
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: NY
Posts: 12,244
Reputation: 557799
LTgiants is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.LTgiants is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.LTgiants is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.LTgiants is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.LTgiants is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.LTgiants is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.LTgiants is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.LTgiants is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.LTgiants is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.LTgiants is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.LTgiants is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 10 View Post

your craig davis nfl comparison is not correct all he is not a jericho cotchery at all i would say some one like javon walker or a torry holt(though not as fast) would be more correct

and he never hesitates while going over the middle so i have no idea where you even got that from
__________________
LTgiants is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2007, 10:05 PM    (permalink
Number 10
All-NFLDC
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 11,267
Reputation: 1269
Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LTgiants View Post
your craig davis nfl comparison is not correct all he is not a jericho cotchery at all i would say some one like javon walker or a torry holt(though not as fast) would be more correct

and he never hesitates while going over the middle so i have no idea where you even got that from
I have tapes on Davis and 3 seperate games I saw him with alligator arms over the middle. Three different times.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul View Post
Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikes99ej View Post
These last 50 seconds will define Eli Manning.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Number 10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2007, 10:06 PM    (permalink
Number 10
All-NFLDC
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 11,267
Reputation: 1269
Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ricky bobby View Post
I think you forgot Steve Smith.

I haven't liked Smith the way you did but I would say there are guys that could be interchangable between 8-13.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul View Post
Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikes99ej View Post
These last 50 seconds will define Eli Manning.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Number 10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2007, 01:10 PM    (permalink
Damix
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 7,435
Reputation: 431369
Damix is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Damix is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Damix is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Damix is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Damix is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Damix is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Damix is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Damix is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Damix is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Damix is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Damix is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

If we draft Levi Brown with the 20th pick, what do you think this means for Whimper? Do we start Brown at LT this year, and then if Whimper is ready to be a LT next year, he goes there, McKenzie gets cut and Brown goes to RT, where it has been said he might be better suited?
Damix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2007, 01:50 PM    (permalink
hugegmenfan
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Big Blue
Posts: 3,012
Reputation: 14037
hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damix View Post
If we draft Levi Brown with the 20th pick, what do you think this means for Whimper? Do we start Brown at LT this year, and then if Whimper is ready to be a LT next year, he goes there, McKenzie gets cut and Brown goes to RT, where it has been said he might be better suited?
If we draft Levi Brown, Guy Whimper will be nothing more than a career backup and i personally am perfectly fine with that. McKenzie is fine- a bit overpaid- but fine. Then we could have some young depth @ the tackle position.
__________________

sig by jkpigskin

2007 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS

2011 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS
hugegmenfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2007, 05:44 PM    (permalink
culloden1745
Rookie
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 80
Reputation: 133
culloden1745 hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hugegmenfan View Post
If we draft Levi Brown, Guy Whimper will be nothing more than a career backup and i personally am perfectly fine with that. McKenzie is fine- a bit overpaid- but fine. Then we could have some young depth @ the tackle position.
Wonder if Whimper could fill that 3rd Te roll, he played some te in college.
culloden1745 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2007, 09:30 AM    (permalink
bigbluedefense
Team Leader
Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Jersey
Posts: 29,239
Reputation: 4191549
bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Number 10, whats your thoughts on Mike Walker as a day 2 WR? I don't know much about him, but Scott's scout report sounds good. Thoughts?
__________________
bigbluedefense is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2007, 10:37 AM    (permalink
Number 10
All-NFLDC
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 11,267
Reputation: 1269
Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbluedefense View Post
Number 10, whats your thoughts on Mike Walker as a day 2 WR? I don't know much about him, but Scott's scout report sounds good. Thoughts?

He could end up being an Amani Toomer type I think, at best. His knee injury took away the explosiveness he once had but he still has above average speed.

I actually compare him to Kelley Washington.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul View Post
Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikes99ej View Post
These last 50 seconds will define Eli Manning.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Number 10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2007, 04:47 PM    (permalink
grizmoandchodey
 
Posts: n/a
Reputation:
Default

i think in the second we should go for a guy marcus mccauley he might not be there around our pick in the second but that would be a big attribut to our secondary if we got him. He is top 20 potential but his stock is just increasingly dropping. He might go to someone like Minnesota in the second but there is a possibility we could involve Corey Webster in a deal with a team to get a reasonable pick for McCauley in the 2nd
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2007, 06:06 PM    (permalink
hugegmenfan
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Big Blue
Posts: 3,012
Reputation: 14037
hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by grizmoandchodey View Post
i think in the second we should go for a guy marcus mccauley he might not be there around our pick in the second but that would be a big attribut to our secondary if we got him. He is top 20 potential but his stock is just increasingly dropping. He might go to someone like Minnesota in the second but there is a possibility we could involve Corey Webster in a deal with a team to get a reasonable pick for McCauley in the 2nd
i dont want to ship webster out for a draft pick. I would give him 1 more year under the new system before we make a conclusion on him. Mccauley in the 2nd round would be a fantastic pick, i too am not sure if he will be there but it would be a steal if he was.
__________________

sig by jkpigskin

2007 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS

2011 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS
hugegmenfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2007, 04:39 PM    (permalink
Number 10
All-NFLDC
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 11,267
Reputation: 1269
Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.
Default

Alright here's my big board as of right now, going 10 deep. (Guys that I think will make it to #20)

1-Ted Ginn-WR-Ohio State
2-Paul Posluszny-OLB-Penn State
3-Aaron Ross-CB-Texas
4-Reggie Nelson-FS-Florida
5-Lawrence Timmons-OLB Florida State
6-Robert Meachem-WR-Tennessee
7-Dwayne Jarrett-WR-USC
8-Jon Beason-OLB-Miami
9-Greg Olsen-TE-Miami
10-Ben Grubbs-G-Auburn
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul View Post
Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikes99ej View Post
These last 50 seconds will define Eli Manning.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Number 10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2007, 04:47 PM    (permalink
ricky bobby
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Oh please give me a good reputation. I'm so concerned with what you think about me!
Posts: 2,731
Reputation: 215
ricky bobby hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

Here's mine

1. Hall (unprobable)
2. Darrelle Revis
3. Chris Houston
4. Lawrence Timmons
5. Robert Meachem
6. Joe Staley
7. Paul Posluszny
8. Jon Beason
9. Alan Branch - His stock is plummeting in some people's eyes
10. Ryan Kalil - Move O'hara to guard. Kalil is a stud.
ricky bobby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2007, 04:52 PM    (permalink
ricky bobby
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Oh please give me a good reputation. I'm so concerned with what you think about me!
Posts: 2,731
Reputation: 215
ricky bobby hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 10 View Post
Alright here's my big board as of right now, going 10 deep. (Guys that I think will make it to #20)

1-Ted Ginn-WR-Ohio State
2-Paul Posluszny-OLB-Penn State
3-Aaron Ross-CB-Texas
4-Reggie Nelson-FS-Florida
5-Lawrence Timmons-OLB Florida State
6-Robert Meachem-WR-Tennessee
7-Dwayne Jarrett-WR-USC
8-Jon Beason-OLB-Miami
9-Greg Olsen-TE-Miami
10-Ben Grubbs-G-Auburn
1. I already explained why we don't need a speed WR on another thread
2. Alright, but i'd take Timmons over him
3. I'd be heated if he took a 25 year old in round 1
4. Don't need a safety.
5. Love Timmons
6. Love Meachem
7. Jarrett is a second round pick at best now
8. Like Beason
9. We need more of a blocking TE
10. Wouldn't mind Grubbs if all else fails
ricky bobby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2007, 09:38 PM    (permalink
GiantRutgersFan
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,146
Reputation: 11248
GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 10 View Post
Alright here's my big board as of right now, going 10 deep. (Guys that I think will make it to #20)

1-Ted Ginn-WR-Ohio State
2-Paul Posluszny-OLB-Penn State
3-Aaron Ross-CB-Texas
4-Reggie Nelson-FS-Florida
5-Lawrence Timmons-OLB Florida State
6-Robert Meachem-WR-Tennessee
7-Dwayne Jarrett-WR-USC
8-Jon Beason-OLB-Miami
9-Greg Olsen-TE-Miami
10-Ben Grubbs-G-Auburn

I like it, except for Aaron Ross.

Personally I would Flip Timmons and Beason, and get rid of Olsen unless we are changing our offense...
__________________

Last edited by GiantRutgersFan : 03-30-2007 at 09:41 PM.
GiantRutgersFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2007, 06:50 PM    (permalink
Number 10
All-NFLDC
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 11,267
Reputation: 1269
Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.
Default

Alan Branch guys, Alan Branch.

I have a feeling he is going to drop to 20 and I have a feeling Resse won't take him. I don't even know how I'd feel because I am so up and down on him. He could easily be John Henderson, he could easily be William Joseph.]

What do you guys think?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul View Post
Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikes99ej View Post
These last 50 seconds will define Eli Manning.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Number 10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2007, 07:02 PM    (permalink
hugegmenfan
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Big Blue
Posts: 3,012
Reputation: 14037
hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 10 View Post
Alan Branch guys, Alan Branch.

I have a feeling he is going to drop to 20 and I have a feeling Resse won't take him. I don't even know how I'd feel because I am so up and down on him. He could easily be John Henderson, he could easily be William Joseph.]

What do you guys think?
if hes there we gotta take him. period. imagine: branch, strahan, kiwi, osi, cofield and robbins. we would have the best line in the league if branch turned out to be good. the thing is branch needs a tough coach and although i hate coughlin he may b the right person to get him to play to his potential. branch is an underachiever but with a good d coord and good role models around him on the dline he could step it up. i have a feeling we would not take him also if he is there or the colts would want to trade up for him, but if hes there we take him.
__________________

sig by jkpigskin

2007 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS

2011 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS
hugegmenfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2007, 07:20 PM    (permalink
scottyboy
Coolio Cat
Legend
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Stalking Brian Leonard and Raymell Rice
Posts: 24,498
Reputation: 4254137
scottyboy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.scottyboy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.scottyboy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.scottyboy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.scottyboy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.scottyboy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.scottyboy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.scottyboy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.scottyboy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.scottyboy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.scottyboy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

branch up front would in reality help our pass D. His rushing ability and being able to push back Centers and guards would make osi and strahan even MORE of a threat. if he's there, i thikn we take him, unless darrelle revis is there.
__________________
We ALL bleed scarlet
New York Giants Super Bowl 46 Champs
UNITED: I actually attend the college I root for
Quote:
Originally Posted by PalmerToCJ View Post
BTW, if it's 3rd and 97... I'm throwing a screen pass to Brian Leonard and he will convert.
scottyboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2007, 07:25 PM    (permalink
hugegmenfan
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Big Blue
Posts: 3,012
Reputation: 14037
hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.hugegmenfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by scottyboy View Post
branch up front would in reality help our pass D. His rushing ability and being able to push back Centers and guards would make osi and strahan even MORE of a threat. if he's there, i thikn we take him, unless darrelle revis is there.
even if revis is there i think branch is the better player on the board and we should take him and take like josh wilson or daymeion hughes 2nd round. i personally am a massive josh wilson fan as i think he will be an exceptional CB similar to dre bly actually.
__________________

sig by jkpigskin

2007 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS

2011 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS
hugegmenfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2007, 08:41 PM    (permalink
Number 10
All-NFLDC
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 11,267
Reputation: 1269
Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.
Default

This is my review of the 2006 draft that I wrote last May, just thought I'd put it out there.

Quote:
After thoroughly analyzing each pick, I have finally come up with my synopsis of the Giants' 2006 NFL Draft. I will try to give as much information and opinion on each pick while attempting to find their place on the Giants roster. Coming into the draft, it was evident that Ernie Accorsi and Tom Coughlin were going to bring in some pieces for this defense to build around. Yes the defense does already have some top-notch players all over the place on the defensive side of the ball, but there are more than a few age and injury concerns and after pondering what big blue's defense looked liked against the Panthers in January, you can never have enough depth. It was quite apparent that the strategy coming into this entire process, especially after the first round pick, was to take the best player available regardless of position. And that brings be to DE Mathias Kiwanuka, who I have some strong support for, and I will tell you why.

I will be the first to tell you that I was speechless when I heard Kiwanuka's name come over the television, but not in the sense that I hated the pick. He was not even one of the players that entered my mind as possible picks, but that does not mean I didn't want him. Now let me try to justify this pick if you are sitting there cursing out Ernie Accorsi in your head.

There isn't a doubt in my mind that Accorsi and company wanted to bring in a difference maker, a playmaker that could bring some versatility to this up and coming defense. Many of us thought it would be a cornerback with the likes of potential superstars Antonio Cromartie and Johnathan Joseph as possible picks, but the Chargers selected Cromartie at #19 and the Bengals selected Joseph at #24. So with both of them off the board, reaching for another CB would be a bad idea especially considering the fact that our rookie CB would not make any sort of immediate impact. Then we can move onto linebacker, where there were only three guys that would have made sense in the first round, and you could make an argument for a fourth. AJ Hawk, Bobby Carpenter, and Chad Greenway were all options to be picked by the Giants in the first round. However, all three of them were taken well before the #25 pick and without any other options, the Giants were forced to throw the idea of drafting a linebacker out the window. We can then move onto defensive tackle where there were two guys I really liked, Haloti Ngata and Broderick Bunkley. I stated a few weeks ago that I would have traded up for them if possible, but that option turned out to be impossible. The Ravens coveted Ngata and would have upped our offer if need be and the same thing with the Eagles and their love for Bunkley. With both of these players off the board, there was nobody available (including McCargo) that would have filled our hole at nose tackle, so scratch the option of drafting a first round DT off the list. Now that brings us down to two players, safety Jimmy Williams and DE Mathias Kiwanuka. I'm sure this decision had to have been extremely difficult because both bring a lot to the table in terms of versatility and playmaking ability. The character red flags that seem to have followed Williams since his days as a blue chip recruit in high school very well might have been one of the stronger deciding factors. But I am inclined to believe that the Kiwanuka selection was not just based on long term potential, but more about his ability to create matchup issues for opposing offenses. Just think about something….on 3rd and long, Kiwanuka and Justin Tuck come onto the field as our starting nose tackle and Carlos Emmons jog off. Tim Lewis blitzes Arrington and Kiwanuka from the outside giving the offensive line Umenyiora, Strahan, Joseph, Tuck, Arrington, and Kiwanuka to block all in one shot. I'm not sure what you think about that, but if there is a single group of blockers that can get the job done against that unit, I'd be shocked. That group of pass rushers can alter the outcome of a game, no doubt about it. To have an effective defense, a defensive coordinator needs to have both the mind and personnel to out-scheme his opponent. With the abundance of pass rushers this defense now has, the matchup problems given to an opposing offense are through the roof. You have to realize that even though our defensive backs have been upgraded, they are far from being super and/or dominant which means our pass rush needs to be top-notch. I know that I wrote a little bit too much regarding this pick, but I needed to let some of you guys know that the pick itself was ten times better than most of you think. Kiwanuka has very similar physical tools to what Umenyiora came into the league with, yet he is more polished as a defensive end. The thought of how good he can be once he gains some weight is downright scary. Tim Lewis is as creative as they come and if/when he figures out to get all of these guys on the field at the same time, our defense could easily move into the top 10 at least. Just keep that in mind before you continue to bash one of the finest GMs in football.

The trade up for Sinorice Moss was absolutely brilliant and I truly feel that Accorsi had him in mind when acquiring the 3rd and 4th round picks from Pittsburgh. Moss is an interesting gamble that very easily could be just as good as his brother, Santana. Yes he has outstanding speed, perhaps more speed than burner Tim Carter when it comes down to game time. But what people fail to realize about this kid is how elusive he is in the open field and how explosive his first few steps are. That kind of WR is EXACTLY what the doctor ordered for the inconsistent offense here in New York. He knows how to find holes in the defense and with massive amounts of attention being tended to the likes of Burress, Toomer, and Shockey, Moss could very well be left unaccounted for and if Manning can get the ball in his hands, he is a legit threat to take it to the house, period.

Rounding out day one, the Giants selected another playmaker that can bring some more versatility to this defense. Gerris Wilkinson out of Georgia Tech is a fiery, intense, hard hitting linebacker that can play all three spots in our defense. Truthfully, as much as I like Blackburn and his Cinderella story, I would be much more confident with Wilkinson in the middle should Antonio Pierce go down again. He is an excellent blitzer from the inside that has a knack for finding the QB and making a play. He owns the inside and he plays with that kind of cocky swagger that many middle linebackers need to get the most out of their physical ability. He should be an early contributor on special teams much like Reggie Torbor has had to this point in his career and add the much needed depth at all three LB spots that we lacked in January against the Panthers. Just writing about him now leads me to believe that Wilkinson has been brought in to be Nick Greisen's replacement, as they have very similar strengths and weaknesses.

Regardless of what some of your thoughts towards Ernie Accorsi were entering day two of the draft, one could not possibly help but be elated with the two fourth round picks. Cofield and Whimper fill two holes on our current roster and very well should develop into quality starters in the NFL. I understand some of you are under the impression that Cofield is being a projected as a 3-4 DE, but we run a 4-3 which is a defense that he will play at DT. He is more of a pass rusher that has an explosive first step into the backfield to disrupt an offensive play. However, Cofield is very good at holding his ground while being double teamed and with the quick/explosive first step, he will garner a fair share of double teams. A DT that can keep the linemen off of Pierce and company is what this defense needed the most coming into the draft. If the offensive line decides to underrate Cofield and only leaving one man to block him, he could excel at making plays in the backfield because he knows how to shed a single blocker and locate the ball. Whimper is certainly a prospect in need of some learning and professional weight training before he can be mentioned as the blind side protector of Eli Manning. But the physical tools are there and by the time he grows physically and mentally, Pettigout's contract will be too high to pay and Whimper could easily be thrown into the fire without this offense having to adjust. He also brings a nasty attitude to the game, Chris Snee like in many ways. That kind of mental state can really decrease the weaknesses and increase the potential of a player and I feel that will be the case with Whimper. In the worst case scenario, Whimper will bring in some solid depth in the trenches and with Whitfield's days soon coming to an end, that depth will be vastly needed.

If there is one pick in this entire draft that I did not, and still do not agree with, it is Charlie Peprah in the fifth. He is a good character kid, which I like on day two because the work ethic to develop into a steal is there, but his physical attributes will severely prohibit him. He is very quick and knows how to cover underneath, but he really struggles with the deep ball and with the likes of Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, and Santana Moss in our division, I really don't like the sound of that. What I do see in him is the vast potential to become a special teams ace because he loves to go for the big hit and he seems to be at his best when he is chasing the ball carrier. Head coach Tom Coughlin obviously had a lot to do with this pick because he loves to stack up on special teams contributors.

The final pick may have been the best value selection of our entire draft in CB Gerrick McPherson out of Maryland. Gerrick is a true workout warrior with measurables that sky rocket through the roof. His lack of height is rarely an issue because of a 40+ inch vertical which could translate into many pass breakups. He is also extremely strong with more bench press reps at the scouting combine than offensive tackle Jon Scott and squat records at Maryland. My best case scenario for him is to be the nickel back in a couple years that can step in and torment Santana Moss with his blend of strength and speed. I had him tagged as the Giants 5th round pick several times over the past month and getting him two rounds later is an absolute steal.

So all in all, our defense has been improved for both the short term and long term future. Having a dynamic pass rush is just as important, if not more so than covering the opposing WRs. The fans of the New York Giants need to keep the faith in Accorsi because he has done an outstanding job putting our team onto the field. Matchup problems are what wins in the NFL today and especially with our top two picks, those very matchups will be in our favor without a doubt.
I feel that I was a bit off on Wilkinson, thought he would be a little bit more physcial than what he showed this past season. But other than that, what do you guys think?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul View Post
Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikes99ej View Post
These last 50 seconds will define Eli Manning.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

Last edited by Number 10 : 04-20-2007 at 09:40 AM.
Number 10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2007, 09:04 PM    (permalink
Forenci
Super Monkey Balls
All-Pro
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: The N-Y-C
Posts: 8,585
Reputation: 1651705
Forenci is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Forenci is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Forenci is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Forenci is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Forenci is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Forenci is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Forenci is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Forenci is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Forenci is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Forenci is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Forenci is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

All right, I've done a lot of thinking and I'm almost certain we should draft a cornerback in the first round. I mean, inherently, a mediocre linebacker will do a much better job with our great defensive line than a mediocre cornerback would.

One of the main reasons I believe our defensive line didn't have a ton of sacks this year was, besides injuries, the fact that we didn't have great coverage - particulary at cornerback. The term 'coverage sack' comes to mind. Even if we're healthy all year long, if our coverage breaks down quickly then it's going to be difficult to get sacks even if the D-Line is healthy.

Sure, we'll be employing a more blitz heavy defense, but that still doesn't always mean we'll get to the quarterback if our coverage is poor.

Drafting a cornerback will, in my opinion, give us a chance to help the center of our defense, and arguably our team - the defensive line, which is young and filled with talent.

Well, that's just my opinion. I think our linebacker situation is going to be fine this year and the depth/talent we need can be found in later rounds, or even next year if we have to. There's not really first round linerbacker that fills the need we have a SAM. Wide receiver can also be adressed in later rounds with what might be the best wide receiver class ever in The Draft. Plus I'm uncertain if Brown or Staley is that franchise Left Tackle we're looking for.
__________________
<caddy> when i visit my parents, who kinda live in the country
<caddy> i hear them having sex :(
Forenci is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2007, 10:08 PM    (permalink
GiantRutgersFan
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,146
Reputation: 11248
GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GiantRutgersFan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Thats a pretty good write up Number 10


Quote:
Originally Posted by Forenci View Post
All right, I've done a lot of thinking and I'm almost certain we should draft a cornerback in the first round. I mean, inherently, a mediocre linebacker will do a much better job with our great defensive line than a mediocre cornerback would.

One of the main reasons I believe our defensive line didn't have a ton of sacks this year was, besides injuries, the fact that we didn't have great coverage - particulary at cornerback. The term 'coverage sack' comes to mind. Even if we're healthy all year long, if our coverage breaks down quickly then it's going to be difficult to get sacks even if the D-Line is healthy.

Sure, we'll be employing a more blitz heavy defense, but that still doesn't always mean we'll get to the quarterback if our coverage is poor.

Drafting a cornerback will, in my opinion, give us a chance to help the center of our defense, and arguably our team - the defensive line, which is young and filled with talent.

Well, that's just my opinion. I think our linebacker situation is going to be fine this year and the depth/talent we need can be found in later rounds, or even next year if we have to. There's not really first round linerbacker that fills the need we have a SAM. Wide receiver can also be adressed in later rounds with what might be the best wide receiver class ever in The Draft. Plus I'm uncertain if Brown or Staley is that franchise Left Tackle we're looking for.

I disagree. I think that what we need is another solid Linebacker. I think that if we get a true talent in there at LB, it would dramatically improve our defense. I have a feeling that Will Demps is gonna be much improved this year as well which should help out in that department. although I would be very happy with Hall and ok with Revis.
__________________
GiantRutgersFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2007, 12:55 AM    (permalink
Number 10
All-NFLDC
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 11,267
Reputation: 1269
Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Forenci View Post
All right, I've done a lot of thinking and I'm almost certain we should draft a cornerback in the first round. I mean, inherently, a mediocre linebacker will do a much better job with our great defensive line than a mediocre cornerback would.

One of the main reasons I believe our defensive line didn't have a ton of sacks this year was, besides injuries, the fact that we didn't have great coverage - particulary at cornerback. The term 'coverage sack' comes to mind. Even if we're healthy all year long, if our coverage breaks down quickly then it's going to be difficult to get sacks even if the D-Line is healthy.

Sure, we'll be employing a more blitz heavy defense, but that still doesn't always mean we'll get to the quarterback if our coverage is poor.

Drafting a cornerback will, in my opinion, give us a chance to help the center of our defense, and arguably our team - the defensive line, which is young and filled with talent.

Well, that's just my opinion. I think our linebacker situation is going to be fine this year and the depth/talent we need can be found in later rounds, or even next year if we have to. There's not really first round linerbacker that fills the need we have a SAM. Wide receiver can also be adressed in later rounds with what might be the best wide receiver class ever in The Draft. Plus I'm uncertain if Brown or Staley is that franchise Left Tackle we're looking for.
If there was a #1 CB there for the taking, I'd take him in a second. But all ofthe CBs this year are mediocre in my eyes. No need in reaching for one at #20, I'd be more secure with it if we traded down a bit.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul View Post
Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikes99ej View Post
These last 50 seconds will define Eli Manning.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Number 10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2007, 10:16 AM    (permalink
G-Men88
Rookie
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 459
Reputation: 1981
G-Men88 could make a wolverine purr.G-Men88 could make a wolverine purr.G-Men88 could make a wolverine purr.G-Men88 could make a wolverine purr.G-Men88 could make a wolverine purr.G-Men88 could make a wolverine purr.
Default

Giants Big Board:

1. Alan Branch
2. Jon Beason
3. Darelle Revis
4. Lawrence Timmons
5. Paul Poz
6. Leon Hall
7. Robert Meachem
8. Aaron Ross
9. Levi Brown
10. Dwayne Bowe
G-Men88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:00 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.