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Old 03-09-2007, 05:50 PM    (permalink
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You want to worship a guy because he traded for a runningback that would struggle to make most NFL rosters? Cleveland didn't want him. Think about that.
Thank you. Don't get excited about this guys. We traded crap for crap. Its just resorted and packaged with a new label. But its still crap. We still need a day 2 RB.

We still come out slightly ahead considering Carter wouldve probably gotten cut. But by no means does this fill a "need". It was beneficial, but we still need a day 2 RB.
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Thank you. Don't get excited about this guys. We traded crap for crap. Its just resorted and packaged with a new label. But its still crap. We still need a day 2 RB.

We still come out slightly ahead considering Carter wouldve probably gotten cut. But by no means does this fill a "need". It was beneficial, but we still need a day 2 RB.
I disagree and agree.. I think it's a great move on Reese's part.. Cost efficient move, and we keep all our picks. And considering their, the browns situation, I think RD will do better for us... Their team sucks, their oline sucks, lost Bentley, and Fry is a young qb. Now that play 3 top teams in Pittsburgh, Ravens, and Bengals that can do well against the Browns, more often than naught.

Good move, and factor in versatility, for once RD played on special teams, returning kickoffs, and played FB as well at one point. So sticking with Reese's love for versatility, I think this is a great move in terms of a good fit for us.

I also believe a 2nd day pick can be good, though now I'd wait and see if anyone of the undrafted FAs can make an impact and leave that "rb pick" for a wr or defensive player.
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I disagree and agree.. I think it's a great move on Reese's part.. Cost efficient move, and we keep all our picks. And considering their, the browns situation, I think RD will do better for us... Their team sucks, their oline sucks, lost Bentley, and Fry is a young qb. Now that play 3 top teams in Pittsburgh, Ravens, and Bengals that can do well against the Browns, more often than naught.

Good move, and factor in versatility, for once RD played on special teams, returning kickoffs, and played FB as well at one point. So sticking with Reese's love for versatility, I think this is a great move in terms of a good fit for us.

I also believe a 2nd day pick can be good, though now I'd wait and see if anyone of the undrafted FAs can make an impact and leave that "rb pick" for a wr or defensive player.
It has potential to work great, but I wouldn't put all our eggs in this one basket.

Remember, he got some miles on him, and he's only getting older. He's not really a threat in the pass game either.

If he pans out, great, Im all for it. But we still need a day 2 RB (insert Darius Walker). This should not be a valid reason to not address RB in the draft. I hope Reese isn't thinking that way.
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It has potential to work great, but I wouldn't put all our eggs in this one basket.

Remember, he got some miles on him, and he's only getting older. He's not really a threat in the pass game either.

If he pans out, great, Im all for it. But we still need a day 2 RB (insert Darius Walker). This should not be a valid reason to not address RB in the draft. I hope Reese isn't thinking that way.
i agree- i think this move guarentees we dont take HB 1st day and most def not in the 1st 2 rounds
i personally think this was a fabulous move by reese really- we didnt give up anything if u think bout it, carter blows, and rather than signing some 1 as a FA its very price effiecent as well
Droughns ran for 1500 yards for the broncos and 1200+ for the browns 2 years ago so we know he is capable in different systems

What would u guys think of pluggin him in @ FB?
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It has potential to work great, but I wouldn't put all our eggs in this one basket.

Remember, he got some miles on him, and he's only getting older. He's not really a threat in the pass game either.

If he pans out, great, Im all for it. But we still need a day 2 RB (insert Darius Walker). This should not be a valid reason to not address RB in the draft. I hope Reese isn't thinking that way.

True, but on the same token, I wouldnt cast him off either..He is not a threat in the passing game, but thats what makes it better for us. If teams dont suspect a pass to him it can catch them by suprise. Also lets not forget, if the mentality of 2 battering rams wearing a team down is accurate, than perhaps as the game goes on his presence even in the passing game will become significant.

I am not impressed with Walker at all.. I'd take Booker with much better hands than him any day. Even in the all star skills competition they were ripping booker and his hands but being natural even snagging it out of the air. Factor in the good praise for Booker, and how he wants to play in NY, and replacement for Barber, I'd lean towards him.

But that's neither here or there, I still love this move, from a logistical standpoint, and we can go the undrafted FA route as well too.
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The Giants have a better o-line than the Browns, so I'm sure he'd do alright here. RD is only about 28-29 so he doesn't have that many miles on him.We're not going to be asking for much for him. Hopefully this'll stop people from giving us Kenny Irons in the 2nd round.
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i agree- i think this move guarentees we dont take HB 1st day and most def not in the 1st 2 rounds
i personally think this was a fabulous move by reese really- we didnt give up anything if u think bout it, carter blows, and rather than signing some 1 as a FA its very price effiecent as well
Droughns ran for 1500 yards for the broncos and 1200+ for the browns 2 years ago so we know he is capable in different systems

What would u guys think of pluggin him in @ FB?
I actually was thinking that.. If he can still run block, he adds more value than Finn. In fact I was talking to a buddy a while ago, and was saying as a joke if we drafted Brian L. than we'd have a battering ram, if we put him as FB, and ran both RD and Jacobs.. Also, BL would supply a threat out of the backfield as well. Player utilization in terms of BL, as a FB on one play, and FB on the next with RD would be creative.

But overall I'd want to see him play a pre season game as a RB and as a FB with jacobs to see the difference.
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Just a Cowboys' fans perspective. I think everyone on this board is underestimating RD. I think he's better than several starting backs in the NFL. I also think he makes alot of sense from not only a dollar perspective, but also from an ability to perform standpoint.

How many teams in the NFL have a backup RB who is not OVER THE HILL and also has multiple 1000 yard seasons?

You guys came out ahead on this one.
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Just a Cowboys' fans perspective. I think everyone on this board is underestimating RD. I think he's better than several starting backs in the NFL. I also think he makes alot of sense from not only a dollar perspective, but also from an ability to perform standpoint.

How many teams in the NFL have a backup RB who is not OVER THE HILL and also has multiple 1000 yard seasons?

You guys came out ahead on this one.
Well, my personal concerns as a fan are:

1. He doesn't provide anything in the pass game, which is ultimately what we need

2. He has a history of breaking down later in the season when it matters the most. Of course he won't have that problem with us because of the reduced carries, but its still a possibility.

I like the trade, I just don't want us to assume that we don't need a day 2 RB anymore. We could use a passing down specialist like a Booker or Darius Walker.
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im not the biggest reuben droughns fan but tim carter was the worst player to ever put on a giants uni so for the value it was fantastic
Even worse than Ron Dixon?
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i still see this as a win-win situation. RD isnt real expensive, we get him and lose carter when i had a feeling we would cut carter anyway. and really if he doesnt play too well then oh well. he's not our starter and we invested very little in him. we kept our picks, and got a guy who has rushed for over 1,000 yeards in a season as our backup good move
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Well, my personal concerns as a fan are:

1. He doesn't provide anything in the pass game, which is ultimately what we need

2. He has a history of breaking down later in the season when it matters the most. Of course he won't have that problem with us because of the reduced carries, but its still a possibility.

I like the trade, I just don't want us to assume that we don't need a day 2 RB anymore. We could use a passing down specialist like a Booker or Darius Walker.
Woohhhhh BBD you got this one wrong.

Droughns is an EXCELLENT receiver out of the backfield.
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Woohhhhh BBD you got this one wrong.

Droughns is an EXCELLENT receiver out of the backfield.
I will eat crow.

The more I read on him, and the more homework I do, the more I like this trade.

I had the impression that he was a thumper and nothing more. I was wrong.

I think it was a fair trade for both teams, and we both have something that helps our teams.

The best part about this trade is the fact that we got him for absolutely nothing. Carter wouldn't pan out here. If he does there, congrats, but it wasn't working here.

Im liking this Reese guy. So far so good.
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I will eat crow.

The more I read on him, and the more homework I do, the more I like this trade.

I had the impression that he was a thumper and nothing more. I was wrong.

I think it was a fair trade for both teams, and we both have something that helps our teams.

The best part about this trade is the fact that we got him for absolutely nothing. Carter wouldn't pan out here. If he does there, congrats, but it wasn't working here.

Im liking this Reese guy. So far so good.
Don't let the guy who thinks he knows a thing about Droughns who says he could not make most NFL rosters fool you. Droughns, while not a great starting RB, is a very forimidable backup that will bring us a versatile back to use on 3rd downs that will not be running situations.

Annnd, even though he does not have top tier speed, he was been used as a return man pretty effectively.
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Woohhhhh BBD you got this one wrong.

Droughns is an EXCELLENT receiver out of the backfield.

Agreed. Droughns got a bad rap because he didn't want to run behind that line in Cleveland. Who has succeeded?

It is no coincidence that they (Cleveland) can't find a RB, when it's the easiest position to fill in the NFL. Their offense is terrible and their line is to blame.
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Do you think its possible to put him at FB and run split back looks every now and then? It would confuse the hell out of defenses if we can pull it off.
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The guy ran for over 1000 yards in Cleveland when i hadnt been done in about 20 years. he was a third round pick so its not like he didnt have skills coming out, injuries held him back early in his career. The bottom line is that we just got a RB who was a starter the last 2 seasons on a terrible tema yet still put up good numbers. He is a capable receiver out of the backfield which will help if Jacobs doesnt progress in that area. There is no way you could call this trade crap for crap or a wash either. We got rid of a injury-prone receiver with no hands and got a starting caliber back, not a great back, who will help BJ transition into the starters role.

Thank God, this means we wont get Duckett, that would have been a complete waste of money.
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Do you think its possible to put him at FB and run split back looks every now and then? It would confuse the hell out of defenses if we can pull it off.
I don't see that happening. He lost a bunch of weight when he converted and I don't see him putting it back on. I think he is strictly our backup RB...we may see a duo of Jacobs and Droughns in the backfield at the same time because they are both great lead blockers as well as solid runners.
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Old 03-10-2007, 01:21 PM    (permalink
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I'd like either way, i guess this is an ok move knowing that our offensive line is average and we lost our starting LT, so now manning gets better protection in the backfield. I think that Jim Finn should not be out FB, he catches the ball and goes backward, his blocks our sometimes good, but I think If we take the formation that dallas and Phili run, because they have two good RB's and slot both jacobs and droghns in than it will be hard to take them down and they'll easily wear out the defense. I'd still like to see the giants try to get lorenzo booker or Darius walker in rounds 3 or 4
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Old 03-11-2007, 09:49 AM    (permalink
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Not Walker. Bad workout and bad speed. 4.6 in the 40. He won't have any skill in the nfl with him being undersized and all. This trade did work out for the giants though because what did tim carter do for the giants? Nothing. Atleast we can get production out of Reuben Droughns. He was a very skilled back in Denver but the line in Clevend wasn't good at all. He also brings a lot of dimensions to the run game. You can have a split back with RD or BJ. Plus I bet Jacobs can take as a FB sometimes because of his size. Thpugh this trade was alright, i would've definitely liked to see Willis McGahee in a giants uniform come the 2007 season
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Not Walker. Bad workout and bad speed. 4.6 in the 40. He won't have any skill in the nfl with him being undersized and all. This trade did work out for the giants though because what did tim carter do for the giants? Nothing. Atleast we can get production out of Reuben Droughns. He was a very skilled back in Denver but the line in Clevend wasn't good at all. He also brings a lot of dimensions to the run game. You can have a split back with RD or BJ. Plus I bet Jacobs can take as a FB sometimes because of his size. Thpugh this trade was alright, i would've definitely liked to see Willis McGahee in a giants uniform come the 2007 season
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i like the idea of RD and jacobs in the backfield on goal line situations and 3rd/4th and shorts. every time it was just plow ahead to jacobs, now we could fool some teams
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I initially wanted a DeShawn Wynn type of backup RB, but now that we got Droughns, we really need to get a skatback.

The guys on my list are in this order:

Lorenzo Booker
Darius Walker
Garrett Wolffe

Im very big on Garrett Wolffe. He can be a late round gem. I think he can be converted into a WR/RB hybrid. Use him in a similar fashion to how NO uses Bush, and how Carolina uses Steve Smith. We can use him on reverses, use him out of the backfield on 3rd down, line him up at WR.

He has great hands, can stop and cut on a dime, and great speed, he can work in a hybrid role. And he's tough, he plays much bigger than he is, so if you limit him to RB in 3rd and long situations, or spread situations, I think he can be very effective.

For a 6th rounder, why not? He would be a project, but a worthy one that late in the draft.
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ive even seen wolfe projected to go undrafted!!! i like this idea of him on the g-men. versatility for us. a great 6th,7th roud pick up
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