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Old 08-21-2009, 12:51 PM    (permalink
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In track and field they test directly before and after every single event.
Marion Jones technically never failed a test. But she admitted PED use years after the fact. It's called cycling for a reason. According to the NYT:

"Jamaica does not have an independent, out-of-competition testing program for its athletes, nor has it joined the Caribbean Regional Anti-Doping Organization."

He's a great runner and all, but too many top people have been nailed for doping. The whole sport is rightfully under a cloud of suspicion. For Bolt to come along and completely destroy the competition and shatter world records, well.... I can't help but be suspicious.

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Until he is proven to have used anything, you have to give him all the credit in the world and assume he's clean. Michael Johnson dominated just like this and I thought he was juiced, but he wasn't.
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Until he is proven to have used anything, you have to give him all the credit in the world and assume he's clean. Michael Johnson dominated just like this and I thought he was juiced, but he wasn't.
yeah and his stride wasnt even that good. usain at least has great technique as well
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Usain as a 19 year old was already the 2nd fastest man on the planet behind Tyson *** and since then he has grown 2 inches, filled out his body, and worked on technique. I never expected him to be this ridiculously fast, but as a 19 year old I knew he would soon be the fastest man on the planet. Everyone in the track world knew this.
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Usain as a 19 year old was already the 2nd fastest man on the planet behind Tyson *** and since then he has grown 2 inches, filled out his body, and worked on technique. I never expected him to be this ridiculously fast, but as a 19 year old I knew he would soon be the fastest man on the planet. Everyone in the track world knew this.
you do know that asafa powell was the fastest man at that moment right
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you do know that asafa powell was the fastest man at that moment right
Asafa Powell was a bum. He ran near record times in circuit races, but never even placed 2nd in a championship. The best individual medal Powell has ever gotten is a couple of Bronze's in the 100 in a couple world championships including this year. Asafa Powell never has and never will medal individually in an Olympic games. Tyson *** was ranked the top sprinter since early 2006 especially with Justin Gatlin's times being wiped out. I will give Powell credit though for being the best anchor leg runner in the world on relays in the 4x100. Also Asafa only runs the 1.
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you do know that asafa powell was the fastest man at that moment right
Im sure he was talking about the 200, because most people in track didnt think Usain could get out of the blocks fast enough for the 1, and Justin Gatlin was also faster than G at that time too.

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Hah Usain should just try to break the 400m record. He ran a 45.3 when he was 15 years old in a junior tournament and earlier this year ran a 45.5 in Kingston when he decided to run for conditioning after having not trained for it ever. I think with work he could get close to Warriner and maybe Merritt. Still though there is no way he can compete in all 3 so this is very unlikely. Ideally to go for the 400 he would have to drop the 100 and focus on the 2 and 4, but there is no way he will drop the 100 as it's the premier race in all of track and field.
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Hah Usain should just try to break the 400m record. He ran a 45.3 when he was 15 years old in a junior tournament and earlier this year ran a 45.5 in Kingston when he decided to run for conditioning after having not trained for it ever. I think with work he could get close to Warriner and maybe Merritt. Still though there is no way he can compete in all 3 so this is very unlikely. Ideally to go for the 400 he would have to drop the 100 and focus on the 2 and 4, but there is no way he will drop the 100 as it's the premier race in all of track and field.
plus, 400 training is a lot more vigoruous than training for the 100. And I might be the Minority that still believe that Jeremy Wariner can beat Wariner at the 2010 world's. He should have never left Clyde Hart though, that was his biggest mistake. I mean since he started training with Ford, he is yet to crack 44, which he was doing in Osaka right before the switch.
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You mean Wariner beating Meritt? But yeah I still think Meritt is a much better runner than him and will now be beating Wariner in every major meet. Merritt is just a stronger runner with better 200 time. Wariner has been smart to get back with Clyde, but I just don't think he has enough strength to ever run down Meritt at the end. Even if he hits it harder in the first 300 he won't have the gas to run him down from behind. It would help him though to have a good semifinal run and start inside of Merritt.
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Yeah he came in about 3 hours after Bolt.
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Wait, doesn't the title of "ungodly" mean that Bolt is in fact human?
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You mean Wariner beating Meritt? But yeah I still think Meritt is a much better runner than him and will now be beating Wariner in every major meet. Merritt is just a stronger runner with better 200 time. Wariner has been smart to get back with Clyde, but I just don't think he has enough strength to ever run down Meritt at the end. Even if he hits it harder in the first 300 he won't have the gas to run him down from behind. It would help him though to have a good semifinal run and start inside of Merritt.
Meritt looks so huge, compared to Wariner's 6'1 155 frame. Wariner would have to win the first 300 like he used to a couple years a go. Wariner's Osaka 400 was one of the best I had ever seen from someone not named Michael Johnson.
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I don't know if someone allready posted this but a track expert on ESPN calcalated that he would run a 3.82 forty
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Impossible. Do you have a link? He probably wasn't taking into account the time it takes to get into top speed.
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running 100 meters and 200 meters is completely different from running the 40.
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For being a track expert he sure doesn't understand a lot about track.
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Without taking the differences between the two races, using proportions puts his 40 at about 3.5. That obviously wouldn't be the case.
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Wait, doesn't the title of "ungodly" mean that Bolt is in fact human?
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Without taking the differences between the two races, using proportions puts his 40 at about 3.5. That obviously wouldn't be the case.

How about you watch one of his 100 meter races, mark where 40 yards is and then take the time when he crosses it.............. You dont need to calculate anything what is wrong with you people
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How about you watch one of his 100 meter races, mark where 40 yards is and then take the time when he crosses it.............. You dont need to calculate anything what is wrong with you people
Technique for running a 40 and 100 is a lot different. You start digging in the last 50 meters typically. If he were to run a 40 he would run it differently. Really there is no accurate calculation that can be made other than him actually running a 40. Anyways I'm not even convinced that Bolt's 40 time would be much better than any of the 100 m runners he competes with. Because of his height Bolt doesn't get out of the blocks fast and he typically doesn't dominate the race until the 2nd half of the race when he reaches full stride which no other runner can even hang with. If you ask me Asafa Powell probably has the best 40 time in the world because of his explosion out of the blocks and his excellent first 50. Bolt and Tyson *** would have mediocre 40 times compared to the rest of the track field as they typically run guys down because they don't have good starts although Bolt's starts as of late have been excellent.
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The thing is some NFL players would have world class 40 times even against some of the fastest sprinters in the world. They train for that and guys like Chris Johnson have elite burst and acceleration especially in the 10-20 yard range. People always assume that world class sprinters would destroy the 40 but some NFL players would be competitive over that short distance. Also, you can't just mark off 40 yards and say that's how fast they run the 40 because NFL players do not have blocks, cannot go in a 4-point, and run their 40's on artifical turf which is a much slower than a track.
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Usain Bolt's 40 time would probably be nothing special. He is a notoriously poor starter and wins his races in the middle third when he gets his stride going. That being said he would probably beat me in a 40 yd sprint
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