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View Poll Results: Which Quarterback would you rather have?
Donovan McNabb 33 75.00%
Eli Manning 11 25.00%
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Old 08-19-2009, 04:11 PM    (permalink
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McNabb's arm = Eli's arm
McNabb's deep ball = Eli's deep ball
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I dont want to hear that Eli had great recievers, good OL, and a good defense (may not have been mentioned but if it might be argued).
Because that would sink your pro-Eli argument.

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Amani was never really considered good until the last few years
He had 5 straight 1,000-yard seasons from 1999-2000 to 03-04. Try again.

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Plax was moody and sulked and inconsistent and complained up until two seasons ago.
Right, so that means he isn't good. Would you rather have Plax or Freddie Mitchell?

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Shockey was an ass clown, he was eli's headache.
Yet still much better than L.J Smith.

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Donovan had TO
For one full season, and, shockingly, made the Super Bowl.

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he had Donte Stallworth
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he had guys who were already proven and were highly regarded in the league. Plax was not.
Seriously, stop. How about we give Manning Fredex/Pinkston/Lewis/Thrash and see how he does?
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Eli against Romo always makes for a fantastic debate. :D
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Eli against Romo always makes for a fantastic debate. :D
Yeah, one was undrafted... the other was the #1 pick. Fantastic.
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Yeah, one was undrafted... the other was the #1 pick. Fantastic.
Wait, we're debating draft position? In that case Eli wins this.

But wait, we aren't debating draft position? We're debating who is the better QB?

The Eli v.s. Romo debate is always interesting, because they're similar QB's in terms of caliber but they have different play styles, one more success in crunch time and the other plays much better in the regular season. It is a good debate to see what QB is second best in the division.
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Wait, we're debating draft position? In that case Eli wins this.

But wait, we aren't debating draft position? We're debating who is the better QB?

The Eli v.s. Romo debate is always interesting, because they're similar QB's in terms of caliber but they have different play styles, one more success in crunch time and the other plays much better in the regular season. It is a good debate to see what QB is second best in the division.
How can an Eagles fan even begin to talk about choking in the playoffs?
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Hey at least we've won a game...
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Hey at least we've won a game...
They don't give trophies for winning one playoff game.
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They don't give trophies for winning one playoff game.
Truth. That's why it bothers me when Eagles fans say, "Well, we've been to the NFC title game eleventy billion times". Who gives a ****?
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10 playoff wins, that is 10 more than the Cowboys in the past 14 seasons. That is the point, that is how an Eagles fan can talk about choking in the playoffs.
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10 playoff wins, that is 10 more than the Cowboys in the past 14 seasons. That is the point, that is how an Eagles fan can talk about choking in the playoffs.
We've still choked. There's no way we should have lost to teams like Arizona and Carolina, among others.
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With all due respect, anyone who would take Eli over McNabb as their franchise QB needs a head examination.

The one year McNabb had an elite WR, he made the SB and even then T.O. was recovering from a broken leg. It's surprising to me after all these years that the offensive genius known as Andy Reid has yet to give McNabb a consistent set of legitimate offensive targets to rely on.
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10 playoff wins, that is 10 more than the Cowboys in the past 14 seasons. That is the point, that is how an Eagles fan can talk about choking in the playoffs.
Cute. You sound so proud.

Let's not make this about a pissing match...

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^^^
And those are relevant because? Not one of those are even from this decade. Thanks for showing off your old trophies.
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Back to OT. The only question I have is how competent is my back up QB? We are already assuming similar teams that each fit the players scheme blah blah blah. But if I have someone like Jim Sorgi or Jared Lorenzen as my backup QB I have to take Eli. McNabb has not played every game three seasons in a row. Hasn't played two strait 16 game seasons since 2000 and 2001 seasons. Where as if I had a Dante Culpepper type backup. I'd take McNabb and lets all be honest it isn't even close.

When it comes to accuracy, and decision making Eli can't hold McNabb's jock.

Clutch ability, toughness and durability goes to Eli.

Everything else is pretty equal at this point in their careers.

McNabb throws too low, Eli throws too high, both need a special type of WR or else they will fail or at least not be as good as they could be.

Both QBs have to deal with an angry media and fan base.

McNabb has the second lowest interception percentage in LEAGUE history. Although many come at key moments.

If you are guaranteeing health then it has to be McNabb.
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Arm strength? Eli can't touch McNabb's cannon of an arm.
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When Donny was at the top of his game maybe the guys has lost a lil zip on his arm though.
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I don't think so. He can really sling it.
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Donovan still has a big time arm. May not be what it used to be but I agree with Sniper, he can definitely still sling it.
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And those are relevant because? Not one of those are even from this decade. Thanks for showing off your old trophies.
Next post that's off topic will result in a trolling infraction. You drove this conversation so off topic it's sad. I even voted McNabb, but you're so sensitive about anything said about your team, that homerism blinds your sense of reason. You actually think your playoff wins mean something. I mean you really do, don't you? I thought Sniper was bad, but you take the cake buddy.
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Well, would you care to tell me who brought up choking in the playoffs?
-We all know that playoff wins do mean something and the Eagles in the past 10 years have 10 more wins than the Cowboys, sorry that it is not pro-Cowboys.

But I don't doubt your threat, so I will make this post at least mostly on topic. I'm glad to see that McNabb has regained a healthy lead, because IMO it is fairly obvious that McNabb is the better player, and that is not the homer in me talking. Those are stats talking and physical abilities doing all the talking. I have little doubt that McNabb will have a better season than Eli Manning. That is not a criticism of Eli Manning however who IMO is a top 15 QB based on last season but I would like to see him continue to not a turnover machine before I crown him a top 10 QB. Both are good in their own respects, Manning is in a great situation for him and McNabb is in a situation that suits him, different types of QBs but if you are choosing a QB to be your difference maker I think that McNabb is the choice over Eli and if you're looking for a game manager I'll give a slight edge to Eli because in the past he has been so turnover prone and that is not what you want in a game manager, however he had a nice season last year.
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Well, would you care to tell me who brought up choking in the playoffs?
-We all know that playoff wins do mean something and the Eagles in the past 10 years have 10 more wins than the Cowboys, sorry that it is not pro-Cowboys.

But I don't doubt your threat, so I will make this post at least mostly on topic. I'm glad to see that McNabb has regained a healthy lead, because IMO it is fairly obvious that McNabb is the better player, and that is not the homer in me talking. Those are stats talking and physical abilities doing all the talking. I have little doubt that McNabb will have a better season than Eli Manning. That is not a criticism of Eli Manning however who IMO is a top 15 QB based on last season but I would like to see him continue to not a turnover machine before I crown him a top 10 QB. Both are good in their own respects, Manning is in a great situation for him and McNabb is in a situation that suits him, different types of QBs but if you are choosing a QB to be your difference maker I think that McNabb is the choice over Eli and if you're looking for a game manager I'll give a slight edge to Eli because in the past he has been so turnover prone and that is not what you want in a game manager, however he had a nice season last year.
Yeah and how did it get to that point? Someone named Thumper brought up Romo vs Eli. I always find it funny when guilty people act so naive and innocent.

Your playoff wins are nice, but that's not the goal in football. It proves that you've been competitive, but it doesn't prove that you are a champion. Something the Cowboys have done 5 times. It's great that you have selective memory on how far back you want to go. It must be a Pro-Eagles thing.

McNabb has about 2 years left in him to win a SB in Philly. He better hope those young WRs develop fast or he'll forever regret not having something Eli already has on his finger.
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Next post that's off topic will result in a trolling infraction. You drove this conversation so off topic it's sad. I even voted McNabb, but you're so sensitive about anything said about your team, that homerism blinds your sense of reason. You actually think your playoff wins mean something. I mean you really do, don't you? I thought Sniper was bad, but you take the cake buddy.
He reminds me of some our own Giants homers on here.. So blinded by the love his team he can't see anything else. And sniper is bad... : P Jk buddy
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No way.

McNabb has one of the strongest arms in the NFL, top 5.
McNabb has one of the best if not the best deep ball in the NFL.
McNabb makes better decisions, there is a difference between throwing it up to Plax and decision making.
I agree. Even at McNabb's older age i think he is still better than Eli.

I just don't think Eli is good. I don't. I have no respect for him. I just look at him and think joke. Sometimes i wonder how he is a pro athlete. Im sorry and giants fans are going to get all pissy, but he's just so unathletic looking its terrible.
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I agree. Even at McNabb's older age i think he is still better than Eli.

I just don't think Eli is good. I don't. I have no respect for him. I just look at him and think joke. Sometimes i wonder how he is a pro athlete. Im sorry and giants fans are going to get all pissy, but he's just so unathletic looking its terrible.
see I can take people who knock on Eli for say his accuracy or never having to fully shoulder his team or he throws too many INTs...BUT

think "joke"? really? he's not good. Yea, I mean, he's awful if he's you know, in the NFL, has a ring, won Super Bowl MVP. Who gives a damn if he's athletic looking or not. I mean really, some of the best and most important players in this league are 300 lbs and considered obese by some standards. So they're not good either, right? Because they don't look athletic.
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Just something to add. Although McNabb has choked a couple times in the playoffs, he has a career QB rating of 76.7 in the playoffs, while Eli has a QB rating of 78.0. For a difference of 1.3.
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