And then there were two - Page 2

49ersfan_87 · 08-22-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Borat

Crabtree won't be signing any time soon. Most likely after the very start of the season. Hope Smith gets done way before that.

I've soured on Crabtree so much. I've gone from super excited on draft day, to practically hating his guts. This whole saga has been very disturbing for me.

Hating his guts? I'm mildly annoyed, but i don't hate his guts. It's just a rookie holdout. He's holding out because he feels he's a better talent than where he was picked. In principle, it's the same thing our very own Mike Singletary did when he was a player- twice. On the basis of this holdout, i haven't soured on him. I just think most of the hate (not talking about you) comes from what his cousin has said about him holding out the entire year.

My take on the Crabs situation- i want him here, practicing and making an impact and scoring TD's. He's not here, so i'm ready to roll with the guys we have. And when Crabtree signs, i'll welcome him in and the impact he will hopefully bring as a top 10 pick.

49ersfan_87 · 08-22-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Brent

he's going to have to tear up, to an extreme degree, to make us Niner fans forget.

Niner fans will forget about this the moment he scores his first TD.

ThePudge · 08-22-2009, 11:37 AM

It could have been easily predicted that these would be the last two to sign. It's been Crabtree's attitude and his agent's feeling that he deserves more than a player picked three picks above him and given an excessive contract (Heyward-Bey of course.) Unfortunately he must realize that Mel Kiper's Big Board doesn't equal the amount you'll get paid or the amount you should get paid, it actually matters far more on where you are picked.

I want to strangle Andre Smith's agent, Alvin Keels. I'd also like to kick Katie Blackburn's ass. Keels, Smith's agent, wants a deal slightly more than the ridiculous deal Heyward-Bey received. Meanwhile, Blackburn is unwilling to have him paid that much. So this long, drawn-out process has been hurt primarily due to expected negotiation errors. I really don't believe Smith is the problem here and is having less of a say than Crabtree in his negotiations. Neither party is being particularly unreasonable, it's just that they are on different pages. I would expect this situation to work itself out before the Niners throw Top 7 money at Crabtree.

aNYtitan · 08-22-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rabscuttle

I voted Crabtree. His agent and "advisor" have adopted a position not based on reality and his immature ass has bought it hook line and sinker. Factor that in with the fact that he plays a position that isn't known for rookie production along with the Niners having a full depth chart of receivers and an offense that doesn't feature its wideouts and you have the makings of a holdout that really doesn't impact the product on the field.

It is a pr problem that can be dealt with nicely if Josh Morgan makes a couple of nice touchdown catches early in the season and Vernon Davis building on his preseason.

Both of these guys will see their stock plummet if they hold out the season. Smith definitely has equal talent coming out next year and Crabtree has some competition that will have speed on him. Both will see their names taken off several teams' draft boards entirely for pulling stunts like sitting out a season. No way can I see either one of their agents being so foolish as to risk future clients coming on board by blowing it with high profile cases like these.

If I can't sign them, trade them. I honestly think that Smith will sign, but if Crabtree holds to his word and says if I don't get a contract I will re-enter, the Niners should trade him to a team that needs a WR. You don't get any compensation if he doesn't sign, and it would be a wasted 1st round pick.

You could trade him to
The Browns for Edwards (two problematic receivers, that could benefit each others team)
The Giants (Steve Smith is their number one this season, and its not the pro bowler)
The Dolphins (who the hell are their starting receivers?)
and others (too lazy to think of them now)

Rabscuttle · 08-22-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by aNYtitan

If I can't sign them, trade them. I honestly think that Smith will sign, but if Crabtree holds to his word and says if I don't get a contract I will re-enter, the Niners should trade him to a team that needs a WR. You don't get any compensation if he doesn't sign, and it would be a wasted 1st round pick.

You could trade him to
The Browns for Edwards (two problematic receivers, that could benefit each others team)
The Giants (Steve Smith is their number one this season, and its not the pro bowler)
The Dolphins (who the hell are their starting receivers?)
and others (too lazy to think of them now)

I've mentioned trading him as welll but there is the problem of finding another team that is willing to overpay him. The only way the Niners could hope to find a sucker to fall for that is to post a phony Youtube clip of Crabs running a 4.3 40 and hope the undead creature across the bay falls for it and ponies up big bucks for two rookie recievers in one year.

holt_bruce81 · 08-22-2009, 12:53 PM

Crabtree for sure. I don't see him signing anytime soon.

Does he really think he'll get more money if he re-enters the Draft Next year? I bet he does because he's got he brain of a ******** Monkey.

49ersfan_87 · 08-22-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by aNYtitan

If I can't sign them, trade them.

The trading deadline passed, i believe August 15th was the exact date.

Gay Ork Wang · 08-22-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 49ersfan_87

The trading deadline passed, i believe August 15th was the exact date.

trading deadline is after the 6th week isnt it

YAYareaRB · 08-22-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang

trading deadline is after the 6th week isnt it

Yeah.. What the hell August 15th? lol

49ersfan_87 · 08-22-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang

trading deadline is after the 6th week isnt it

Sorry, it's the trading deadline for unsigned draft choices.

BamaFalcon59 · 08-22-2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Borat

Crabtree won't be signing any time soon. Most likely after the very start of the season. Hope Smith gets done way before that.

I've soured on Crabtree so much. I've gone from super excited on draft day, to practically hating his guts. This whole saga has been very disturbing for me.

But you have Josh Morgan! :)

skinzzfan25 · 08-22-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent

Al Davis knew what he was doing. You can't say taking DHB was a bad pick if the other guy isnt playing!

That crafty bastard...

Crabs has soured on me though like others have said. I though he would take it in stride but he looks to be like another diva. Problem is, you can't be a diva and get away with it if your not playing/producing

scottyboy · 08-22-2009, 02:48 PM

i think Smith signs first. Rumor has it the Bengals are sweetening the deal by offering some top notch Victoria's Secret bra's for Smith to wear. Athletic bras too, for game day.

PalmerToCJ · 08-23-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Andre Smith's Agent

Leaving Cinci. Not any closer on a deal for Andre Smith. Mike Brown says "the ship has sailed on the slotting system".

Mike Brown and family are idiots when it comes to running a business. That is all.

themaninblack · 08-23-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PalmerToCJ

Mike Brown and family are idiots when it comes to running a business. That is all.

No, they're pretty good at running a "business" but they can somehow do it without putting a very consistent product on the field. I've read that the Bengals are one of the more profitable franchises in the league.

wogitalia · 08-24-2009, 12:29 AM

It's amazing that two of the top three guys with "character concerns" pre draft are the last to sign, surely if you are an agent for a guy like that you want to try and ease some of the concerns instead of creating extra pressure by furthering the claims.

Kudos to Harvin and the Vikes for being that third guy and making sure the contract was done asap.