Michael Crabtree - Page 4

The Legend · 08-30-2009, 05:23 PM

I wonder if he would of had a money issue with the Raiders...

The Legend · 08-30-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ness

And that's not going to happen. Crabtree is just screwing himself over big time. Plain and simple.

Not to mention the 49ers

OzTitan · 08-30-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nobodyinparticular

I love how people are finding ways to subtly blame the Raiders (Davis and Bey specifically) for Michael Crabtree's holdout. This is on no one but Crabtree and his team. They are the ones trying to break the slotting system that has been in place for so long. the Raiders have nothing to do with it. They actually got their 1st round pick in time--the reciprocal of that is also true--their first round pick actually came in on time and didn't hold out.

Right, and that may very well end up being half the reason why Crabtree was 2nd off the board anyway - attitude and character. These days, as legitimate a concern as anything else. So what it boils down to is Crabtree was taken as the 2nd WR and should be paid as such.

Ness · 08-30-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Legend

Not to mention the 49ers

How are we getting screwed? Because he's not in camp? Please, a rookie wide receiver isn't going to make or break our season. It's rare that one ever makes a huge impact. Crabtree is just going to prove that he was a dumbass for holding out as long as he did. He'll sign before the season starts if he doesn't want to lose his money that he would be receiving during actual games. And since he apparently cares so much about his money, he'll be signed. Like I said, Crabtree is just screwing himself over by missing valuable training camp time.

PACKmanN · 08-31-2009, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Ness

How are we getting screwed? Because he's not in camp? Please, a rookie wide receiver isn't going to make or break our season. It's rare that one ever makes a huge impact. Crabtree is just going to prove that he was a dumbass for holding out as long as he did. He'll sign before the season starts if he doesn't want to lose his money that he would be receiving during actual games. And since he apparently cares so much about his money, he'll be signed. Like I said, Crabtree is just screwing himself over by missing valuable training camp time.

He would make a impact on an offense needing one...plus, if he does go back to the draft, the 49ers lost a top 10 pick.

brat316 · 08-31-2009, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ness

How are we getting screwed? Because he's not in camp? Please, a rookie wide receiver isn't going to make or break our season. It's rare that one ever makes a huge impact. Crabtree is just going to prove that he was a dumbass for holding out as long as he did. He'll sign before the season starts if he doesn't want to lose his money that he would be receiving during actual games. And since he apparently cares so much about his money, he'll be signed. Like I said, Crabtree is just screwing himself over by missing valuable training camp time.

not really screwing himself, unless the money starts going less and less. Just like you said, he knows he won't be able to make a huge difference as a rookie WR. He pretty much will end up getting paid for the year, even with little playing time since he doesn't know the offense. This is if he signs before the first game. Now he can loose money if they start taking away money from the current deal that is on the table.

He'll be there for the next training camp, and will be ready for the next year.

Ness · 08-31-2009, 01:37 AM

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not really screwing himself, unless the money starts going less and less. Just like you said, he knows he won't be able to make a huge difference as a rookie WR. He pretty much will end up getting paid for the year, even with little playing time since he doesn't know the offense. This is if he signs before the first game. Now he can loose money if they start taking away money from the current deal that is on the table.

He'll be there for the next training camp, and will be ready for the next year.

You just proved my point. He'd be losing money if he didn't sign by the start of the season because his pay would be docked due to not being in games. So he would be screwing himself because the money WOULD be amounting to less and less. Since money is so important to him, it would be wise to sign instead of waiting on a fantasy deal that any team wouldn't offer him.

Not only that, but he won't learn the offense as well as he could of had he started training camp...and he'd be getting worse as a player. Missing practice is going to be a detrimental to his future success as a good wide receiver. And as we all know, the good players get the most money. If he doesn't want to end up like Mike Williams, he should get himself in camp ASAP.

He's probably going to sign by Labor Day and just end up looking like a dumbass for waiting for something that was never going to happen in the first place.

Ness · 08-31-2009, 01:40 AM

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He would make a impact on an offense needing one...plus, if he does go back to the draft, the 49ers lost a top 10 pick.

And he would lose that just the contract we're offering NOW and drop. And losing a top 10 pick would be better than caving in and giving Crabtree the deal that he wanted. And all offseason the word out of camp is the group of receivers the 49ers have now have been the best in quite some time. Not only that, but Vernon Davis is FINALLY being used to his potential. The first time since Norv Turner was around. A reason I was never really worried about Crabtree's status in the first place.

FUNBUNCHER · 08-31-2009, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ness

How are we getting screwed? Because he's not in camp? Please, a rookie wide receiver isn't going to make or break our season. It's rare that one ever makes a huge impact. Crabtree is just going to prove that he was a dumbass for holding out as long as he did. He'll sign before the season starts if he doesn't want to lose his money that he would be receiving during actual games. And since he apparently cares so much about his money, he'll be signed. Like I said, Crabtree is just screwing himself over by missing valuable training camp time.

Except the Niners look like they at least need the threat of Crabtree on the field desperately.

Even when he signs, I get the feeling he and Singletary are going to clash from the 1st day throughout the rest of the season.

If Singletary felt the need to break Vernon Davis down, who came into the league from UMD with a rep for being a stand-up, team oriented guy, how's Coach Mike gonna deal with a true diva rookie WR in Crabtree??

From a distance, he looks like Antonio Bryant, v. 2.0.

Borat · 08-31-2009, 10:34 AM

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If Singletary felt the need to break Vernon Davis down, who came into the league from UMD with a rep for being a stand-up, team oriented guy, how's Coach Mike gonna deal with a true diva rookie WR in Crabtree??

Where did you get that from? VD was a "diva" from day one. Team oriented? He's been all about himself from the beginning.

PACKmanN · 08-31-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ness

And he would lose that just the contract we're offering NOW and drop. And losing a top 10 pick would be better than caving in and giving Crabtree the deal that he wanted. And all offseason the word out of camp is the group of receivers the 49ers have now have been the best in quite some time. Not only that, but Vernon Davis is FINALLY being used to his potential. The first time since Norv Turner was around. A reason I was never really worried about Crabtree's status in the first place.

better? how better can they be? You guys havent had a threat at WR since T.O.

phlysac · 08-31-2009, 11:37 AM

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better? how better can they be?

2009
Michael Crabtree
Isaac Bruce
Josh Morgan
Brandon Jones
Arnaz Battle
Jason Hill
Dominique Zeigler
Michael Spurlock

is FAR AND AWAY better than...

Let me refresh your memory... Since Terrell Owens left San Francisco

2004
Brandon Lloyd
Cedric Wilson
Curtis Conway
Arnaz Battle
PJ Fleck
Derrick Hamilton
Rashaun Woods

2005
Brandon Lloyd
Johnnie Morton
Arnaz Battle
Otis Amey
Rasheed Marshall
Marcus Maxwell
Jason McAddley

2006
Antonio Bryant
Arnaz Battle
Bryan Gilmore
Taylor Jacobs
Brandon Williams

2007
Darrell Jackson
Arnaz Battle
Bryan Gilmore
Jason Hill
Taylor Jacobs
Ashley Lelie
Michael Lewis
Brandon Williams

2008
Isaac Bruce
Bryant Johnson
Arnaz Battle
Josh Morgan
Jason Hill
Dominique Zeigler

FUNBUNCHER · 08-31-2009, 11:54 AM

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Where did you get that from? VD was a "diva" from day one. Team oriented? He's been all about himself from the beginning.

I never once heard about Davis complaining that he wasn't the focal point of the 49ers offense. EVER.
He's got the physical tools to be the most dominant receiving TE in the league, and yet his coaches are emphasizing the need for him to become a more effective run blocker, which he does willingly.

Do you have an example(s) of where Vernon Davis was a 'diva' in San Fran, a la T.O. or Ocho Cinco??

I'll be waiting....

Borat · 08-31-2009, 12:19 PM

You want examples? Have you ever seen him play? Watch him after every catch he makes. Watch him beat his chest after the play. Watch him shove his hands and face in his opponents face after the play. And then you should count the number of 15-yard penalties he's accumulated by doing these selfish acts. Watch him taunt the crowd and the subsequent 15-yard penalty that drew in Seattle. These are "diva"-like actions ala T.O. and Chad.

FUNBUNCHER · 08-31-2009, 01:00 PM

More like the diva starter kit, but far from a T.O. or OchoCinco, IMO.

If trying to rep yourself after every play was enough for diva status, might as well include 90% of the players in the NFL.
Essentially what happened to Vernon Davis in San Fran would be the equivalent of the Vikes drafting Adrain Peterson and telling him they want him to play fullback and block plays for Chester Taylor.

I've never heard Davis slam his coaches, teammates, offensive scheme, or how his talents were being underutilized, as many players in his position would.
Maybe it's a matter of perception, but I don't see Vernon Davis as a diva.

Borat · 08-31-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

More like the diva starter kit, but far from a T.O. or OchoCinco, IMO.

If trying to rep yourself after every play was enough for diva status, might as well include 90% of the players in the NFL.
Essentially what happened to Vernon Davis in San Fran would be the equivalent of the Vikes drafting Adrain Peterson and telling him they want him to play fullback and block plays for Chester Taylor.

I've never heard Davis slam his coaches, teammates, offensive scheme, or how his talents were being underutilized, as many players in his position would.
Maybe it's a matter of perception, but I don't see Vernon Davis as a diva.

Sure, but when you're repping yourself at the cost of 15 yards against your team (this has happened many times to VD) then you're going beyond that 90% you mentioned. Hell, he picked up a taunting penalty in a ******* preseason game.

And VD was used for more blocking than receiving because he is a better BLOCKER than he is a receiver. His hands are terrible. His drops forced the team to look elsewhere when throwing the ball (especially on third downs). They instead decided to utilize his blocking more since he has been beastly at that. If he could consistently catch the ball, he'd be the No. 1 option in the passing game. Unfortunately, that's not the case.

Brent · 08-31-2009, 01:23 PM

I'd rather throw to Delanie Walker 9 times out of 10 than ******* Vernon Davis.

FUNBUNCHER · 08-31-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Borat

And VD was used for more blocking than receiving because he is a better BLOCKER than he is a receiver. His hands are terrible.

You sure that might not have a little bit to do with issues San Fran has had the last few years at QB??
Inconsistent hands, OK. Terrible hands, not really.

Botttom line is if you think Vernon Davis is a headache(!!) wait until Crabtree gets issued his first game uni.

Borat · 08-31-2009, 01:36 PM

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You sure that might not have a little bit to do with issues San Fran has had the last few years at QB??
Inconsistent hands, OK. Terrible hands, not really.

Yeah, his hands aren't terrible. Maybe I'd call them horrible.

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Botttom line is if you think Vernon Davis is a headache(!!) wait until Crabtree gets issued his first game uni.

I would be surprised if Crabtree is a headache on the field. That would pretty much be the exact opposite of what I expect.

Brent · 08-31-2009, 10:13 PM

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Yeah, his hands aren't terrible. Maybe I'd call them horrible.

I'd call them "made of stone"

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I would be surprised if Crabtree is a headache on the field. That would pretty much be the exact opposite of what I expect.

I don't expect him to get penalties, as he'll be on the ******* bench if he's even on the roster.

papa burgundy · 09-01-2009, 06:35 AM

vernon isnt a diva hes just an idiot.. he's not gonna complain about the amount of touches he gets but when he gets touches hes gonna celebrate like theyre super bowl winning catches. and thats why i love him because its ******* hilarious and im waiting for someone to pop him one day for it only for vern to go ballistic and start hitting diamond cutters all over the place.. on players on refs on coaches and even his teammates because vernon is just awesome and dumb like that.

Ness · 09-01-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Except the Niners look like they at least need the threat of Crabtree on the field desperately.

Even when he signs, I get the feeling he and Singletary are going to clash from the 1st day throughout the rest of the season.

If Singletary felt the need to break Vernon Davis down, who came into the league from UMD with a rep for being a stand-up, team oriented guy, how's Coach Mike gonna deal with a true diva rookie WR in Crabtree??

From a distance, he looks like Antonio Bryant, v. 2.0.

Davis had been on the team for a while and his presence on the field and in the locker room was familiar. Crabtree might be holding out for money now, but that doesn't mean he'll be a diva when he finally joins the 49ers. You can't compare the two players and situations like it's black and white.

Ness · 09-01-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PACKmanN

better? how better can they be? You guys havent had a threat at WR since T.O.

You obviously haven't been paying attention to this season's training camp.

Brothgar · 09-01-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

I never once heard about Davis complaining that he wasn't the focal point of the 49ers offense. EVER.
He's got the physical tools to be the most dominant receiving TE in the league, and yet his coaches are emphasizing the need for him to become a more effective run blocker, which he does willingly.

Do you have an example(s) of where Vernon Davis was a 'diva' in San Fran, a la T.O. or Ocho Cinco??

I'll be waiting....

PACKmanN · 09-01-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ness

You obviously haven't been paying attention to this season's training camp.

what? just because they're "better" it doesnt mean they're good...like i said, you guys do not have a threat at WR.