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Old 09-18-2009, 08:36 PM    (permalink
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Default How would you help your QB be successful?

I guess this is for the teams rebuilding ( Rams, Lions, Browns and Chiefs)

Would you build up great Oline and Dlines and run the ball and get after the passer? (Gmen)
How about giving them great skill set guys around them? (Colts, Saints, Pats)
Or would you give them unbelievable defensive teams so if they make a mistake it won't cost you? (Steelers, Ravens)

What do you think is the best way of success is?
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I like the Gmen build more. I think someone like the Saints for instance, our receiving corps is deep, but before this year (with Shockey being hurt or not there) it was Colston(who was hurt a lot) Bush (who was hurt a lot) and then a bunch of mediocre guys, with only above average pass protection, and Brees was buying time with his movement in the pocket and completing difficult throws.

I'd rather run the ball, and let my QB strike with play action instead of trying to make too many reads and throws and change ups at the line. I think you move your guy toward that slowly each year.
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I honestly dont think it is possible for Jason Campbell to be successful
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You get a dominate OL; a good QB can make mediocre receivers work. Everytime there is a disappointing young QB the franchise tries to add weapons, but how often has that made a difference? Not often, if at all.
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You have to protect your quarterback. Give them the Giants build and watch magic happen. If they don't succeed there then they're not a good quarterback.
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A QB does you no good on the ground. You have to get a good OL in front of him, that is the first priority on offense. If possible, build a good D so you don't have to rely on the QB early on in their career, and thirdly, bring in weapons for him, whether it be in the running game or passing game.
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Well guys like Peyton Manning had Marvin Harrison there already.
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From the Browns standpoint, the best thing that would help Quinn is giving him a solid running game. Two things that would help in doing that is replacing St. Clair with a legitimate Right Tackle (Ciron Black in round 2 would be fantastic) and grabbing a bigger back in the middle to late rounds to replace Jamal Lewis and put them behind what would be a very talented OLine like the Giants have been doing the last several years.

It remains to be seen what James Davis can do this year, but as long as they run behind Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach, and Alex Mack, they should find yards.

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Trent Green had three straight 4000 yards seasons and other then Gonzo the average fan can't tell you who he was throwing to the reason he could do that is.



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Build the O-Line and D-lines first, reliable TE&RB, Fix the rest of the defense, and then add some receivers. So pretty much the opposite of what the Lions and Texans did with Harrington/Carr.
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I believe that if your QB needs his hand held, he wasn't destined for greatness anyway. Make sure his WRs are at least competent, they don't need to be gamebreakers, but they need to be guys with reliable hands that run solid routes. On the OL, get him a group that can run block, and use the running game as a way to set up simple plays in the passing game. If your QB shows signs, invest in the offensive line, draft a rookie and bring in a couple of solid yet unspectacular veteran free agents. I don't think it's important to have the best OL in the league, because if your QB has no pocket presence, he isn't gonna be great.
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If that's the case, why were you mad when Denver traded Cutler?
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1. Offensive line
a. Run Blocking
b. Pass Blocking

2. Quality RB/RBC

3. Quality TE

4. Quality WRs

Look at the success of young QBs and there are some constants you will find among all their teams: a good running game. Matt Ryan had the 2nd ranked rushing attack. Joe Flacco had the 4th ranked rushing attack. Ben Roethlisberger had the 2nd ranked rushing attack (2nd to a MV led Falcons...so technically 1st). Peyton Manning had the 26th ranked rushing attack and threw 26 or 28 picks. Dan Marino had the 13th ranked rushing attack. Obviously, a talented offensive line can open up holes for talented and not talented RBs, thus taking pressure off of the QB.

As a QB begins to mature as a passer, he will look to the soft handed, tall, zone-hole finding TE in the middle of the field. Then as he begins to get down anticipation and timing with WRs, he will be able to fully utilize all the weapons at his disposal.

Of course, there are plenty of ways to attain success as a QB, but this way seems most ideal for me.
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You will find tons of different answers here because it relies on so many different things...
What is already in place with the team. That means players, coaches, management...
The style of young QB you are bringing in.
Cap Space...etc

You really could go on and list a lot of different factors that would go in to how you would build the team because it depends on what the situation is. There are a lot of correct ways to try to build your team with a young QB because of all these different factors...
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I love the build through the trenches outlook to building a franchise. If you have a franchise QB, you build the offensive line first. Make sure he's protected, otherwise it's all for nothing. The QB is the most important position on the field in most cases (unless you have Purple Jesus, then any 40+ year old bumpkin will do) so you have to be smart about it.
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I'd like to build a great O-Line. I think that's the key to success on offense. In the 49ers situation, a great O-Line and D-line would totally turn this team around.
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Seriously. It all starts in the trenches. A great offensive line is the lifeblood of a good running game and makes the job of a quarterback a whole lot easier because he doesn't have to worry about being on his back all game.

Likewise, a great defensive line both shuts down the run game and keeps quarterbacks from getting in a rhythm, making the job of the entire secondary easier.
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O - line for sure.
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I honestly think the most surefire way to develop a QB into a productive starter is not about who or what you put around him, but how you choose to develop him. I think the best way to develop a QB is to slowly groom him into being able to run the offense you need. This means starting out with a lot of short, high-percentage throws which will build confidence, and slowly expanding the playbook to include riskier plays and tougher throws until eventually your QB can do anything your offense may need from him.
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