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Old 09-21-2009, 07:03 PM    (permalink
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How about this. Let the 49ers take the 9th draft slot worth of draft picks from the Jets, 1350. They can choose to take whichever ones they want for as many years as they want. Should have to declare a week before the draft which draft picks they want to take that year.

Since draft picks one season are worth more than next year ones they should get even more, say 25%-33%, making it 1700 or 1800.

They should get that regardless of whether they sign Crabtree or trade him away. And the Jets cannot trade for Cabtree or draft him if he re-enters.
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49ers lost a 2008 5th rounder for tampering with Lance Briggs. They also were forced to switch draft picks with the Bears in the 3rd round.
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If the Jets did something like promising Michael Crabtree the money he is looking for, I think that is a very serious violation as it takes away all of San Francisco's negotiation leverage if he has a guarantee to get paid next season. I think that would have to warrant consideration of forfeiting a first round pick and more.

If there was just small-time chatting between the two parties I think it would probably be similar to the Lance Briggs situation a couple years back.

When Deion Sanders ran his mouth a couple weeks ago, he almost seemed to imply teams had been contacting Crabtree and telling him they are willing to meet his demands next year. That was a red flag to me that San Francisco should look into tampering violations almost a month ago.

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"Why would you settle for $20 million when you feel like you can get $40 million," Sanders said. "That's the problem."

Speaking on the NFL Network, Sanders said two teams approached the 49ers about trading for the rights to the Texas Tech receiver. Sanders said the unnamed teams "will pay this kid, and he knows that."

A 49ers spokesman said: "Those discussions never happened."
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Old 09-22-2009, 01:48 AM    (permalink
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Only fueling the fire that Crabs re-enters the draft. Way to go, Jets (if true).
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Is the Jets receiving situation that bad that "tampering" has to be a course of action? Jerricho Cotchery seems like a decent number one receiver to build around. I haven't seen him play that much, but he seems like a decent player.
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If the Jets are found guilty, and Crabtree never does sign with us, I think giving us their 1st round pick is the only fair way to handle the situation. As some people already said, it would be like them taking away our 1st rounder this year if they are the reason Crabtree never signs and re-enters the draft.
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Whatever the the league decides, i I were scotty and craptree wants to mess with me, so lets dance.

Scotty should call a friendly GM (other than Jets) and do the following deal with him:

On March 1st trade the rights for crabtree to the team for their last pick.
The team would then offe craptree the minimum you can offer and the next year trade craptree back to the 49ers for a 7th again.

It can`t be that stupid kids mess around like that.
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If the Jets did something like promising Michael Crabtree the money he is looking for, I think that is a very serious violation as it takes away all of San Francisco's negotiation leverage if he has a guarantee to get paid next season. I think that would have to warrant consideration of forfeiting a first round pick and more.

If there was just small-time chatting between the two parties I think it would probably be similar to the Lance Briggs situation a couple years back.

When Deion Sanders ran his mouth a couple weeks ago, he almost seemed to imply teams had been contacting Crabtree and telling him they are willing to meet his demands next year. That was a red flag to me that San Francisco should look into tampering violations almost a month ago.

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I don't know the rules, maybe other teams aren't allowed to talk about it at all. But if Deion Sanders as a "reporter" asked around a bit and a GM told him hypothetically that, yah we'd probably give him $40 million...that's not the same as a team going out of there way to contact Crabtree, as far as I'm concerned
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Old 09-22-2009, 07:13 AM    (permalink
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I don't know the rules, maybe other teams aren't allowed to talk about it at all. But if Deion Sanders as a "reporter" asked around a bit and a GM told him hypothetically that, yah we'd probably give him $40 million...that's not the same as a team going out of there way to contact Crabtree, as far as I'm concerned
So in other words:
Crabtree asks his mentor to ask around what the other teams would pay him.
He asks around as "reporter", and tells crabtree.

So you think thats fine then ?
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So in other words:
Crabtree asks his mentor to ask around what the other teams would pay him.
He asks around as "reporter", and tells crabtree.

So you think thats fine then ?
No, it that's how it went down. If you can show that Sanders was opperating on behalf of Crabtree and not the NFL Network than it's wrong. But if Sanders was doing his job and following up on a story, I don't see any wrongdoing by the Jets. But like I said, I don't know how the rule reads...commenting at all on a player you don't hold the rights to could very well constitute tampering, I don't know.
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No, it that's how it went down. If you can show that Sanders was opperating on behalf of Crabtree and not the NFL Network than it's wrong. But if Sanders was doing his job and following up on a story, I don't see any wrongdoing by the Jets. But like I said, I don't know how the rule reads...commenting at all on a player you don't hold the rights to could very well constitute tampering, I don't know.
Sanders is one of Crabtree's advisers.
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Sanders is one of Crabtree's advisers.
Thats just by accident.
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If found guilty, I also wouldn't mind seeing something like a NCAA style suspension from the post-season for 1 year (one they actually are eligible for after the regular season) in addition to losing a 1st round pick.
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If found guilty, I also wouldn't mind seeing something like a NCAA style suspension from the post-season for 1 year (one they actually are eligible for after the regular season) in addition to losing a 1st round pick.
no way in hell would they ban a team from post season, with tampering. Cheating in the games is one thing, tampering with other teams unsigned players is another thing.

only way to earn a post season ban, if probably if your whole team is on roids, or paid off the refs, or some form of team cheating.
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no way in hell would they ban a team from post season, with tampering. Cheating in the games is one thing, tampering with other teams unsigned players is another thing.

only way to earn a post season ban, if probably if your whole team is on roids, or paid off the refs, or some form of team cheating.
Tampering with Unsigned Players is a big deal. That's not tampering with a game. But a season. The financial structure of a team. It's pretty awful. When it's free agents, it's once thing, when it's draft picks, it's a whole different issue in a draft based league.
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Yea.. Crabtree falls to #32. Won't get his money. Goes to Jets. And still not happy. Enter Draft #3.
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If Crabtree ever does sign with the 49ers, is his relationship with the team permanently destroyed?

I wonder how many bridges he's burned in the lockerroom?

I personally think the players wouldn't mind that much if he comes in with the right attitude bc its just business. But if walks in from day 1 acting like a diva (which is highly likely) i think he's in for a heavy dose of reality.

Thats assuming he signs with the 49ers at all.
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If Crabtree ever does sign with the 49ers, is his relationship with the team permanently destroyed?

I wonder how many bridges he's burned in the lockerroom?

I personally think the players wouldn't mind that much if he comes in with the right attitude bc its just business. But if walks in from day 1 acting like a diva (which is highly likely) i think he's in for a heavy dose of reality.

Thats assuming he signs with the 49ers at all.
Yeah I mean I was reading up on Aaron Curry's interview about holding out and he said there was a little joking around about it but the guys were happy that he was there and willing to work. Although Crabtree's situation is more extreme than Currys, I would be surprised if guys weren't happy that he was actually on the team.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if Patrick Willis and Company were to take some shots at him in practice.

But, I would be surprised if we signed him at all.
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Yeah I mean I was reading up on Aaron Curry's interview about holding out and he said there was a little joking around about it but the guys were happy that he was there and willing to work. Although Crabtree's situation is more extreme than Currys, I would be surprised if guys weren't happy that he was actually on the team.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if Patrick Willis and Company were to take some shots at him in practice.

But, I would be surprised if we signed him at all.
Oh, theyre gonna haze him in some way. Theres no question about it.

Im starting to think theyre just gonna trade him away to the Jets for the Jets 1st round pick + a 3rd or something like that.
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Is the Jets receiving situation that bad that "tampering" has to be a course of action? Jerricho Cotchery seems like a decent number one receiver to build around. I haven't seen him play that much, but he seems like a decent player.
It really isn't. They don't exactly have a stud #1 guy who will kill defenses on a consistent basis but Cotchery is good enough and Stuckey can make some plays...the WR's haven't hurt them in the first two games. That's what really has me confused about this situation from their perspective, and would make it even more frustrating if they actually were tampering with Crabtree.
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This would be epic if these two faced each other in the Super Bowl and Crabs presented the Lombardi Trophy to the winner.
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Or if Crabs ended up on the Jets and one of the niners cleated him in the face ala Albert Haynesworth.
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Or if P-Willy gave him the Brad Smith treatment.
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