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Old 09-23-2009, 05:52 PM    (permalink
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I don't know the rules, maybe other teams aren't allowed to talk about it at all. But if Deion Sanders as a "reporter" asked around a bit and a GM told him hypothetically that, yah we'd probably give him $40 million...that's not the same as a team going out of there way to contact Crabtree, as far as I'm concerned
When it comes to passing punishments, Goodell seems more concerned with the public image and his version of justice than with specific rules and precedents. If discussions took place that didn't technically break the rules but was apparent to Goodell what was being implied than he will conclude the Jets are just as guilty.

Its just like when the mafia gives orders for a hit, its not technically an order to kill someone but it is apparent that is the intent.

The problem for the NFL is finding out excatly what was said. It is more likely that the agent for Crabtree and Ryan or Tannenbaum talked privatly. They would claim they were talking about players that the agent represented that had dealings with the Jets. The same as they do with soon to be free-agent tamperings.
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I'll believe the details when they are brought forward. Sounds like a lot of he said she said, we can't sign our draft pick. Crabtree is trying to get the money he would have received as the rightful #1 WR drafted. Blame the Raiders, they are the ones who caused the situation.

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I'll believe the details when they are brought forward. Sounds like a lot of he said she said, we can't sign our draft pick. Crabtree is trying to get the money he would have received as the rightful #1 WR drafted. Blame the Raiders, they are the ones who caused the situation.

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I'll believe the details when they are brought forward. Sounds like a lot of he said she said, we can't sign our draft pick. Crabtree is trying to get the money he would have received as the rightful #1 WR drafted. Blame the Raiders, they are the ones who caused the situation.

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Of all teams, why the **** would they accuse the Jets? I mean c'mon when there's smoke.
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Of all teams, why the **** would they accuse the Jets? I mean c'mon when there's smoke.
The Jets have a recent history of being accused of tampering. Blame the person with the worst reputation, its the oldest excuse in the book.
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The Jets have a recent history of being accused of tampering. Blame the person with the worst reputation, its the oldest excuse in the book.
Yup, plus with all of the rumors of the Jets wanting a big time WR with Brandon Marshall and everything it makes sense that they'd tamper with a WR too. If you're going to accuse a team of tampering with Crabtree and see what happens, the Jets would be the best team team to accuse, no question.

I'm not saying that's what it was, but it's not like they're accusing the Cardinals of tampering with him or something. The Jets make a ton of sense to accuse whether or not there's something going on if you're going to accuse someone of tampering.
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Honestly, when I heard about the accusation, I was pretty ok with it. I hope it's true because it's just an awesomely d1ck move. Obviously, I hope it never gets confirmed as being true because that would mean a penalty for the Jets. However, I would love it if the Jets end up pursuing Crabtree through legitimate means(whether it is a trade or next year in the draft), essentially confirming that something happened.
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Honestly, when I heard about the accusation, I was pretty ok with it. I hope it's true because it's just an awesomely d1ck move. Obviously, I hope it never gets confirmed as being true because that would mean a penalty for the Jets. However, I would love it if the Jets end up pursuing Crabtree through legitimate means(whether it is a trade or next year in the draft), essentially confirming that something happened.
if they traded for him or drafted him that would scream "guilty"
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if they traded for him or drafted him that would scream "guilty"
Circumstantial evidence at best. I'm guessing by then, punishment would have already been handed out anyway.
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Circumstantial evidence at best. I'm guessing by then, punishment would have already been handed out anyway.
Or they wouldn't have punished them, and everyone would say they're guilty but the league office couldn't do anything because it's still circumstantial evidence as you said. The 49ers need to present definitive proof right now, other things may suggest that the Jets tampered but they won't prove it and the league office can't do anything without relatively strong proof.
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if they traded for him or drafted him that would scream "guilty"
This offseason, the redskins were sort of accused of, or at least the Titans insinuated that they tampered with Haynesworth and then signed him. It's not unheard of.
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if they traded for him or drafted him that would scream "guilty"
That's why it would be awesome. It would, in essence, be Rex Ryan saying we did it but there is not a damn thing you can do about it, we know we can get away with it.
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That's why it would be awesome. It would, in essence, be Rex Ryan saying we did it but there is not a damn thing you can do about it, we know we can get away with it.
This is hilarious. But if it was the Patriots doing it, you'd call it despicable, right?
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Im ssssooooooo happy we didnt draft him now.... wish we drafted Raji still...
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Im ssssooooooo happy we didnt draft him now.... wish we drafted Raji still...
I don't know what you are sooooooo happy about....you are paying a guy $40 million to do less than Crabtree is doing. At least Crabtree isn't dropping passes and he is doing it for FREE!
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This is could be very serious. You'd think that after New England was caught cheating and then San Francisco, teams would play by the rules (or at least be more careful not to get caught). I hope these accusations aren't true.
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I hope they are true. Then I want the Jets to win the superbowl, so I can hear people say they only won because they cheated and tried to get Michael Crabtree.
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This is hilarious. But if it was the Patriots doing it, you'd call it despicable, right?
Yes, everyone is hypocritical about their team to a certain extent. The Jets tampering with Crabtree is amusing to me because usually the Jets are just crappy and follow the rules. Now they look like they are getting better and are being dicks and potentially breaking rules. If the Pats did it, clearly, I would think it's horrible because I hate them and they have broken other rules so why do they need to do it again?
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is this the tampering?
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is this the tampering?
I don't see how that would be tampering. If that was the period when he could be traded and they were calling the 49ers and not Crabtree, it seems like it would be legitimate.
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No, that's not the tampering they filed the complaint about. Here, read this

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I found it a coincidence that Crabtree signed the day of the Jets trading for Crabtree....
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I found it a coincidence that Crabtree signed the day of the Jets trading for Crabtree....
I think you mean Braylon Edwards... anyways, i think crabs signed first. Then the Edwards trade happened.
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I found it a coincidence that Crabtree signed the day of the Jets trading for Crabtree....
Yes you're talking about Edwards.

But it passing strange with the timing, any way you slice it Rex Ryan was gonna get a new WR this season if it hairliped the Pope.
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