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Old 09-22-2009, 12:05 AM    (permalink
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It is going to be must-see TV for sure. I am just bummed about Peria Jerry, we are awfully thin at DT already and this does not help. It would be nice if Chris Houston didn't get burned up and down the field all day long by Steve Smith either. Smith has his number big time, almost as bad as Andre Johnson has Cortland Finnegan's number.
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Yeah, it's not like they held a team to 10 points that scored 31 this week. At least they didn't have a number one overall pick who happened to be a multi time pro bowler at QB. And if only they had a really good WR.

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Champ has more in the tank than to be thought of only as a savvy veteran. He was unnoticed last year because of injury, but a healthy champ is still top 5.

aso, revis, webster, gamble, bailey. Woodson is still up there with the big boys too.
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Actually I think there are two standout guys, after Revis and Asomugha there is a list about eight to ten deep of all worthy corners; they just do not inspire fear like a great corner should.
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That probably is a better way to look at it, as aso and revis really are better than all of them.
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The Patriots were 6th in rushing last year and 13th the year before that. It wasn't flashy because they used so many different backs, but it was effective and kept defenses honest.
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Yeah, it's not like they held a team to 10 points that scored 31 this week. At least they didn't have a number one overall pick who happened to be a multi time pro bowler at QB. And if only they had a really good WR.

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I believe they held Cincinnati to 7 actually. Though to be fair, our offense had a lot of problems in week 1 (Coles dropping 3 passes / Special teams unit messing up that field goal).
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Cover 2 =/= Tampa 2. That is all
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Cover 2, in my opinion, isn't going anywhere. The whole family of C2 has been around and will continue to be around. You have different coverages within that C2 family which will always be used to disguise coverages.
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Woodson>Revis.
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*shrug* the pats had a craptastic rushing attack for the last few years and have more or less made it work. it seems to me that the bigger problem is that brady isn't stepping into his throws properly (especially when rushed), thus the guy who's normally pretty accurate is throwing footballs to no one.

also, no. champ bailey is not a top 5 cb anymore. he's certainly not a "shutdown" corner, or whatever it's being called these days. he's a very good corner, who supports the run better than just about anyone else at the position. but his coverage skills are waning.
For this, I gotta go with a guy I feel is very underappreciated at the CB position, Antoine Winfield. Always been a big fan of his, and that guy hits like a LB. For an 185 lb CB, he can lay the wood and is always aggressive in run support. Champ is very solid as well, and its a shame to see him declining, was always a fan of his as well (I own his jersey).
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I am talking about the base Cover 2. Relying on the front four doesn't work when every team has a "Wes Welker" who can gash your zone before your D-Line gets to the QB. That's why the rookie QB/WR have been able to produce right away out of college. They've simplified things, spread defenses out and work the zones.
Thats true to an extent. If I made a truths thread last year, one of the truths was going to be "the slot WR is the new TE", meaning that the slot WR is the new weapon used to gash defenses and use as a mismatch.

The base Cover 2 was really only ran by Indy last year. The Tampa 2 teams have made a lot of adjustments. Its not necessarily a dead scheme, but its a different scheme from when we once knew it.

Pittsburgh runs a ton of Cover 2 these days. Bellichick does as well.

A lot of Tampa 2 principles are still very prevalent in the league today, but what once used to be a simple defense that relied purely on athleticism and speed, no longer exists.

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BBD, can you help me out on the history of the spread in the NFL. I know it was used in the early 90s, but I would like some clarifications in how that compared to what is being used today. (I'm too young lol)
Well, the only thing that really changed is the body type of the WRs. With the rule changes, smaller WRs have found much more success in the NFL, and its turned into more of a speed game. With these smaller shiftier guys, offenses are just trying to stretch you out in a variety of ways and are becoming successful in it bc you can't bump like you used to.

Thats why in today's league, the best pass defense is essentially just a pass rush. Coverage integrity is not what it used to be. Thats why the ZB is so successful these days. Its the best way of getting maximal pressure on the qb while keeping a decent amount of guys in coverage.

The WCO was really the most prevalent "spread" offense in the 80s and 90s, with the air coryell also being popular in the early 80s late 70s.

Right now the most successful way to stopping these spreads is the 3-4 ZB. You can use those hybrid rushers in a variety of ways. You need a jack of all trades Safety who can matchup with a variety of ppl.

Some 3-4 teams have split a rushbacker out wide to press up on these little slot wrs at the line and then either release, or delay blitz the qb. Its effective. You knock off the timing of the hot read and also confuse the pass protector who is trying to brush and go.

Speaking of which, I expect delayed blitzes to come back as well. Right now stunts have been very successful in confusing pass protection. The next step is delayed blitzes. With so many teams relying on RBs to pass protect more than ever, the more you can confuse that RB in protection the better you are.

Rex Ryan has had great success the past 2 games overloading one side of the line in a ZB and forcing the RB to pick up 1 of 2 free rushers.

This works in 2 ways.

1. Free hit on the qb, he has to get it to his hot read. Now if you used one of those rushbackers to press and release the slot, it makes it a hell of a lot harder for that qb to hit his hot read bc chances are it was his slot.

2. You take the checkdown of the RB out of the play bc he has to stay in and block.

Now this can work effectively, but you NEED a shutdown CB and a prolific safety to make it work. The jets have both, and youve seen the results.
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- I think I might have overreacted to the Texans opening week loss to the Jets who are making it pretty clear they are going to be a competitive team this year... (Jets) The Texans came out and played strong against their rival Titans and Matt Schaub finally had the type of game people were expecting him to have when the Texans signed him throwing for 357 yards, 4 TDs, and 0 picks. Now what concerns me is their Defense giving up 31 points to the Titans. The mis-communication on the play where no one split out with Chris Johnson and covered him was awful and just should not have ever happened.. Burn a Timeout if you have to, but you can't allow the oppositions most dangerous threat to have no one lined up near him on the snap.

- What is happening with the Titans? Not a good start for them this season.. yes they played a tough one vs. the Steelers.. but that Defense which has been a strength of that team for so long did not look too great vs. the Texans. Has Haynesworth been that huge of a loss for them? At the end of the day though the team that finished with the best record in Football last season is now 0-2.. and now faces a very tough game on the road vs. the upstart Jets.

- It's obvious that Tom Brady is not 100% back in sync yet he's attempted 100 pass attempts in the first 2 games. Have the Patriots been able to run the ball at all?

- Ted Ginn is developing into a pretty nice Receiver from what I saw.. he's really showed improvement in his Route running, and he was Pennington's go-to-guy last night on tough 3rd downs. He missed a big catch at the end of that game though. Definitely not a gimme, but one that Elite receivers make to win the game for their teams... he'll learn from it though, I think he goes on to have a nice season.

- I like what Mike Singletary is doing with the 49ers.. 2 very important Division wins to start the season boosts confidence for your team. Is Frank Gore back to Pro-Bowl form? He certainly looked like it against the Seahawks... busting 2 long runs.
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I agree with most of your thoughts, I was saying the same things about Revis to myself the past few days and actually meant to start a thread on him. He played two top 5 WR's in the league to start this season and was all over both of them...He played mostly man to man coverage too, and never got beat, and not only does he play lockdown coverage he can still make a play on the ball as well. I'd put him right below Aso at this point.



In agreement on the Jets, Flacco, and especially Tuck and Ratliff...Very good write-up though, most of the same thoughts I had after this week.
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For this, I gotta go with a guy I feel is very underappreciated at the CB position, Antoine Winfield. Always been a big fan of his, and that guy hits like a LB. For an 185 lb CB, he can lay the wood and is always aggressive in run support. Champ is very solid as well, and its a shame to see him declining, was always a fan of his as well (I own his jersey).
I gotta throw Quentin Jammer into this discussion. When SD was playing the Vikings in 2007 and Jammer was in the game, we held AD to 40 something yards in the first half. He was a huge part of why we were able to control AD for so long. And then he got injured, and the rest is history.
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It is going to be must-see TV for sure. I am just bummed about Peria Jerry, we are awfully thin at DT already and this does not help. It would be nice if Chris Houston didn't get burned up and down the field all day long by Steve Smith either. Smith has his number big time, almost as bad as Andre Johnson has Cortland Finnegan's number.
While AJ has gotten to Finnegan at times, this past game was really more on Harper, who the Texans targeted with AJ, but the Titans didn't seem to try and counter from a gameplan POV. Texans totally out coached the Titans.
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Funny thing about the Ravens to me is they seem to have gotten away from Ravens football. I don't think this is a typical Ravens defense anymore. They've lost too much and are very week in the secondary. However this isn't your typical Ravens offense anymore either.

I'm not sure how I see that faring for them against big teams. They made the AFC Championship game, but they certainly got the easiest path to the final 4 of any of the teams by facing the overachieving Phins and Titans who have started 0-4 this year.
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I thought Flacco would perhaps take a step back this year but that isn't going to be the case at all. Cam Cameron is going to do wonders for his career.
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It is going to be must-see TV for sure. I am just bummed about Peria Jerry, we are awfully thin at DT already and this does not help. It would be nice if Chris Houston didn't get burned up and down the field all day long by Steve Smith either. Smith has his number big time, almost as bad as Andre Johnson has Cortland Finnegan's number.
Andre Johnson lined up predominantly against Nick Harper's side on Sunday, not Finnegan's. Both of Johnson's TD's came against Harper with safety help. One was just a circus catch, and the other was blown coverage by Michael Griffin who didn't take AJ when Harper passed him on.
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The Steelers Rushing attack is failing because of 2 main reasons:

1) Formations. We have a solid pass blocking OL. They're stonewalling 4-5 man rushes, only getting beat on Blitzes. In the run game they're not getting a great push, but we're running out of 2-3 TE and FB sets. We're letting teams stack the box and telegraphing the run.

2) Willie Parker has no vision. Watching both games thus far, there's been plenty of times where Parker had gaps to fire through and he ran either into the backs of his OL or right into the waiting arms of a Titans/Bears defender.

Our Limited Success has been with Mendenhall in 3-4 WR sets.

Parker's averaging 2.4 YPC
Mendenhall's averaging 6.4 YPC.

Needless to say they need to start running a spread offense. 3-4 WR's or 1 TE only sets. Ditch the Fullback unless they bring up Isaac Redman from the PS.

Let Mendenhall carry the rock as the main guy and use Willie as a 5-10 carry change of pace guy.
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So what you're saying is Mendenhall needs the rock more. ;)

He's such a beast.
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It is going to be must-see TV for sure. I am just bummed about Peria Jerry, we are awfully thin at DT already and this does not help. It would be nice if Chris Houston didn't get burned up and down the field all day long by Steve Smith either. Smith has his number big time, almost as bad as Andre Johnson has Cortland Finnegan's number.
That was Nick Harper, I dont even recall Andre having a catch on Cortlands side.
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Champ Bailey is still amazing, but not as good as he used to be. He's been banged up the last couple of years(partly because he was our best run defender and partly because he was in coverage an average of 34 seconds per pass attempt). He looked worse the last 2 years than he was because of a lack of pressure and no safety help. But the prime Champ Bailey wouldn't have needed safety help.
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*shrug* the pats had a craptastic rushing attack for the last few years and have more or less made it work. it seems to me that the bigger problem is that brady isn't stepping into his throws properly (especially when rushed), thus the guy who's normally pretty accurate is throwing footballs to no one.

also, no. champ bailey is not a top 5 cb anymore. he's certainly not a "shutdown" corner, or whatever it's being called these days. he's a very good corner, who supports the run better than just about anyone else at the position. but his coverage skills are waning.
Yeah, Brady is physically healed, but to me it looks like he isn't mentally healed. He's thinking too much about the knee.
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I think Brady may end up like Carson Palmer did, still very good but that mental block will keep him from being 'elite' again. Suffice to say this isn't the same guy who had the single greatest season for the QB position.
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So what you're saying is Mendenhall needs the rock more. ;)

He's such a beast.
Yeah.

He's not going to gain yards on every play with our OL... but he has insanely better Vision and Hands than Parker. The fact their not letting him beastmode it is quite disappointing.

I think Mendy should be getting 15 carries and Parker 5-10.

Parkers gone after the year, and I'd love to see them Activate Redman from the PS. granted it was Preseason but he was destroying teams... not to mention his play against Carolina's 1st team defense was nothing short of stellar.

This is not the 3 yards and a cloud of dust team of the 70's, 90's, etc. This is a spread built team and should start acting like it.

Parker offers great change of pace but with his lack of vision, he shouldn't be starting over Mendy.
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