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View Poll Results: Best NFC East DB?
Asante Samuel, CB, Philadelphia 28 37.33%
Corey Webster, CB, New York 24 32.00%
Sheldon Brown, CB, Philadelphia 14 18.67%
Carlos Rogers, CB, Washington 1 1.33%
Other (please indicate who) 8 10.67%
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Old 11-28-2009, 03:18 AM    (permalink
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Where are those great stats showing me how Corey Webster is great and the GMen DB are awesome!

Webster kind of struggles at bit with decent WR...... As I said, puffing up stats versus Tampa, Oakland, KC, etc is not a measuring stick to how good you are, or your DBs in General.

And with respect to the Cowboys, we will find out how good they are starting next week. 5 games to prove if this D is real.

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Webster has had issues with big physical WRs like Marshall and Jackson. He simply isn't tall enough to beat them in jump ball situations.

But what youre saying about him padding stats against mediocre WRs is inaccurate. Webster shut down Roddy White, Larry Fitzgerald, Santana Moss, Dwayne Bowe, DeSean Jackson (when he was one him), and more im forgetting off the top of my head.

I would HARDLY call Fitzgerald an average WR.

Our issues on defense are mediocre DTs, injured DEs, mediocre MIKE and SAM, and mediocre SS. And a mediocre DC. Not our CBs. Our CB trio is the best in the East.
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Webster has had issues with big physical WRs like Marshall and Jackson. He simply isn't tall enough to beat them in jump ball situations.

But what youre saying about him padding stats against mediocre WRs is inaccurate. Webster shut down Roddy White, Larry Fitzgerald, Santana Moss, Dwayne Bowe, DeSean Jackson (when he was one him), and more im forgetting off the top of my head.

I would HARDLY call Fitzgerald an average WR.

Our issues on defense are mediocre DTs, injured DEs, mediocre MIKE and SAM, and mediocre SS. And a mediocre DC. Not our CBs. Our CB trio is the best in the East.
All I am saying is he is not Top 5 CB and not the best in the NFC East. I like him a great deal. Dunno what the big deal is. With respect to shut down or not .... Offenses are taking the path of least resistance with the GMen and I would not describe Webster as "path of least resistance."

Best in NFC East as a trio -- maybe. To me that is a more plausible position to take.

FWIW, I remember Fitz having a goo day and ATL WR caught alot of balls and Gonzalez having a huge day. Point is since week 2 (first GMen game I saw), I have been calling the GMen D out for not being too good and yes your LB and DT problem is pretty bad but the corners have been just OK.

Enjoy Sunday at 4.

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All I am saying is he is not Top 5 CB and not the best in the NFC East. I like him a great deal. Dunno what the big deal is. With respect to shut down or not .... Offenses are taking the path of least resistance with the GMen and I would not describe Webster as "path of least resistance."

Best in NFC East as a trio -- maybe. To me that is a more plausible position to take.

FWIW, I remember Fitz having a goo day and ATL WR caught alot of balls and Gonzalez having a huge day. Point is since week 2 (first GMen game I saw), I have been calling the GMen D out for not being too good and yes your LB and DT problem is pretty bad but the corners have been just OK.

Enjoy Sunday at 4.
corey webster is not a top 5 CB, i wont agree to that, borderline top 10. Nnamdi Asomugha is considered a top 5 corner despite his visually mediocre play. What you see is not always what you think. Your arrogance just gleams, open your mind man, these players aren't robots. Corey is clearly trying to compensate for the rest of the defense being awful, he has not done bad anyway.

Did Brandon Marshall have a good day? no, he made one great catch that was pretty much undefendable. Marques Colston didnt do great,
our safety play was the problem there. Atlanta recievers didnt do great, Roddy had an average game. Gonzo did ok but that was late in the game, and it sure as hell wasnt webster's fault.

Our defense right now is 'that bad', personnel doesnt allow us to do what sheridan wants to do, he's not the wiz that spags was.

Right now, besides Sheldon Brown, there is no argument of who is better than corey in the division. Samuels clearly benefits from his defense, isn't really even a true cornerback, he is more like a "joker" he appears to be covering but is truly 90% of the time winging it and looking for the ball.
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Samuel isn't even a CB? Thats new... lol.
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All I am saying is he is not Top 5 CB and not the best in the NFC East. I like him a great deal. Dunno what the big deal is. With respect to shut down or not .... Offenses are taking the path of least resistance with the GMen and I would not describe Webster as "path of least resistance."

Best in NFC East as a trio -- maybe. To me that is a more plausible position to take.

FWIW, I remember Fitz having a goo day and ATL WR caught alot of balls and Gonzalez having a huge day. Point is since week 2 (first GMen game I saw), I have been calling the GMen D out for not being too good and yes your LB and DT problem is pretty bad but the corners have been just OK.

Enjoy Sunday at 4.
i disagree with your opinion, but i can respect it. to each his own.

Fitz caught 2 quick slants on Corey, thats it. When they motioned him in the slot away from Corey and into deep post routes at our safeties, thats when he caught passes. He did very little against Corey.

Ditto for White. White got locked up. Again, maybe 2 under patterns, thats it. His one big catch of the day was on Cover 2, on a busted coverage. The ATL WR youre thinking of having a good day was Mike Jenkins, who abused Bruce Johnson in that game when we put Johnson on him.

I doubt I'll enjoy Sunday. I expect the Cowboys to blow us out.
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Wow. I don't know how I totally missed the Corey Webster hype train, but I did. The Giants CBs never impressed me and he never stood out to me at any point (though I didn't single him out as a culprit for getting beat, either).

How has Webster looked this year?

Anyway, I'd have a hard time ranking anyone in the division over Samuel and Brown.

Question: Who is the best safety in the division? Seems like safeties in the NFC East are extremely weak lately. Landry seems like the best almost by default, but I don't consider him anything more than good. Gerald Sensabaugh has been very good for Dallas and Michael Johnson always stood out for the Giants when I saw them (though the bastard plays dirty as ****).
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Corp Box? child please. how 'bouts growing a pair and sitting out in the cold like real men do. I know that's what I'll be doing.
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Wow. I don't know how I totally missed the Corey Webster hype train, but I did. The Giants CBs never impressed me and he never stood out to me at any point (though I didn't single him out as a culprit for getting beat, either).

How has Webster looked this year?

Anyway, I'd have a hard time ranking anyone in the division over Samuel and Brown.

Question: Who is the best safety in the division? Seems like safeties in the NFC East are extremely weak lately. Landry seems like the best almost by default, but I don't consider him anything more than good. Gerald Sensabaugh has been very good for Dallas and Michael Johnson always stood out for the Giants when I saw them (though the bastard plays dirty as ****).
VJax torched Corey with his far superior size, but that's the only guy who's gotten more than a couple of catches.
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If you guys don't think Webster is the best that's fine but you're all voting for the wrong Eagle.
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You wanna freeze your huevos in the cold go right ahead.

The liquor, food, warmth and occasional cute girls are cool by me.... and mid field box is so nice.

We open the windows wide and let the cold come in for awhile then shut it down when it gets too cold.

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Anyone see the game yesterday with that over-rated Jenkins kid in comparison to All-World Webster?
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You guys are joking, right? Newman and Scandrick suck but Jenkins is one of the best in the NFC, not to mention the division.

Webster got chumped by Roy Williams on at least one occasion. I didn't see the other TD.
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I will look at Sheldon again but Jenkins is best IMHO.
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I will look at Sheldon again but Jenkins is best IMHO.
If you need to go back and look again to know that Sheldon Brown is the best you have obviously been detached from the reasonable football world. Really? The man might be the best corner in the NFL right now. In two seasons he has given up 2 touchdowns, 1 on a fade to Fitz that no one in the history of the NFL could've defended in the playoffs and 1 to Miles Austin where Sean Jones epically failed in over the top coverage.

Here let me give you some numbers alright.

Last season, Brown was on lockdown.
Season Totals: 63 attempts, 4.84 YPA, 44.44 Forced INC%, 0 TDs, 1 INT

and this year there are no decent stats out there but I know he has been shut down all season aside from one play (Miles Austin) and he has 13 passes defended and 5 interceptions (which is a career high).

Also if I could take back my vote for Asante I would, I voted for Asante on the idea that he did a decent job in coverage and made more plays but this season Sheldon Brown has made plays in coverage, shut his man down every game and has made great tackles and is probably the 2nd best tackling corner in the NFL.

You severely underestimate Sheldon Brown.

Also IMO Corey Webster is no longer in the discussion, he is getting absolutely abused out there now and by Roy Williams no less. The last few times I've watched him he has given up at least one touchdown.
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If you need to go back and look again to know that Sheldon Brown is the best you have obviously been detached from the reasonable football world. Really? The man might be the best corner in the NFL right now. In two seasons he has given up 2 touchdowns, 1 on a fade to Fitz that no one in the history of the NFL could've defended in the playoffs and 1 to Miles Austin where Sean Jones epically failed in over the top coverage.

Here let me give you some numbers alright.

Last season, Brown was on lockdown.
Season Totals: 63 attempts, 4.84 YPA, 44.44 Forced INC%, 0 TDs, 1 INT

and this year there are no decent stats out there but I know he has been shut down all season aside from one play (Miles Austin) and he has 13 passes defended and 5 interceptions (which is a career high).

Also if I could take back my vote for Asante I would, I voted for Asante on the idea that he did a decent job in coverage and made more plays but this season Sheldon Brown has made plays in coverage, shut his man down every game and has made great tackles and is probably the 2nd best tackling corner in the NFL.

You severely underestimate Sheldon Brown.

Also IMO Corey Webster is no longer in the discussion, he is getting absolutely abused out there now and by Roy Williams no less. The last few times I've watched him he has given up at least one touchdown.
I never know what I am talking about ..... anyway .....

Revis by far is the best.
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Anyone see Jenkins shut down Jackson and Floyd?

They tried ....

Can't say the same for T Newman however .....
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Anyone see Jenkins shut down Jackson and Floyd?

They tried ....

Can't say the same for T Newman however .....
he had a pass interference that wouldve been a touchdown...

Jackson also caught a bomb pass on him that wasn't a touchdown, but went for a good 40 yards or so.

I wouldn't say he shut down anything. He didn't have a terrible game, but he wasn't dominant either.

Floyd got past him a couple of times too, but he had help up top.

He had safety help on most plays, and wasn't on Jackson for much of the game. He covered Floyd more than Jackson.
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The interference was on Sensabaugh, not Jenkins.

Jackson got one catch on Jenkins but it was a perfect throw. The coverage was very good.

If I could pick one DB in the East for the future it would definitely be Jenkins. Brown and Samuel are definitely better right now. I haven't watched Webster closely enough to comment.
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