Best DB in the NFC East? - Page 7

herniateddisc · 11-09-2009, 05:06 PM

Mike Jenkins right now is the best.

LonghornsLegend · 11-09-2009, 05:09 PM

Let me just add, that I hope Cowboy fans(not necessarily here, just in general) don't start hyping up Jenkins way too fast and pre maturely so much that he'll start to get called overrated. But alot of people thought he had all the tools to be an elite lock down corner at the next level, he just needed someone to push his buttons and get the most out of him.

Go_Eagles77 · 11-09-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

Let me just add, that I hope Cowboy fans(not necessarily here, just in general) don't start hyping up Jenkins way too fast and pre maturely so much that he'll start to get called overrated. But alot of people thought he had all the tools to be an elite lock down corner at the next level, he just needed someone to push his buttons and get the most out of him.

Did you post this before or after you saw the post above yours? Haha. Like I said, I like Jenkins a lot, but at this point I wouldn't put him above Brown, Webster, or even Samuel.

As a side note, I love the fact that Deangelo Hall isn't even remotely in this discussion, typical redskins.

SeanTaylorRIP · 11-09-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Go_Eagles77

Did you post this before or after you saw the post above yours? Haha. Like I said, I like Jenkins a lot, but at this point I wouldn't put him above Brown, Webster, or even Samuel.

As a side note, I love the fact that Deangelo Hall isn't even remotely in this discussion, typical redskins.

Why would he be in the discussion? He's the worst DB on our roster and wouldn't be playing if it weren't for his contract. There isn't a single DB on the Skins worth mentioning in the NFC East. Smoot is the only guy but he can't stay healthy. Horton as well but our dumbass coaching staff isn't even using him full time.

danzing1488 · 11-09-2009, 08:40 PM

Reed Doughty ;)

Go_Eagles77 · 11-09-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanTaylorRIP

Why would he be in the discussion? He's the worst DB on our roster

That's my point, I wasn't being sarcastic at all.

Thumper · 11-09-2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by danzing1488

Reed Doughty ;)

leave it to you to pick the one white guy, stay classy.

bigbluedefense · 11-10-2009, 12:08 PM

I would LOVE for the Skins to cut Chris Horton. Or even put him up for trade. Id trade a 2nd round pick for Chris Horton and not think twice about it.

He's exactly what we need at SS.

herniateddisc · 11-10-2009, 02:23 PM

I will take Jenkins right now over that entire list and he is also improving. The minute he starts to get the "No-Call PI" like Asante and Brown -- it is off to the races. Put him in the Champ Bailey discussion by the end of the year.

Corey Webster is possibly not even better than Terrell Thomas. Vincent Jackson made him look bad that last play and the G-Men DB are pretty bad right now. If Webster was lock-down they would not be as bad.

Have yet to really see Rogers play this year so in all fairness I should say I dunno. DeAngelo I have sen enough to know he is really bad.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-10-2009, 02:31 PM

V. Jackson was the first WR to make Webster look bad since 2007. Way to base your argument off of one game.

Go_Eagles77 · 11-10-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by herniateddisc

The minute he starts to get the "No-Call PI" like Asante and Brown -- it is off to the races

What are you basing this off of other than the one time Asante did it on Sunday?

bigbluedefense · 11-10-2009, 02:47 PM

Champ Bailey comparisons?

This is why theres no such thing as an underrated Cowboy.

D-Unit · 11-10-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Champ Bailey comparisons?

This is why theres no such thing as an underrated Cowboy.

Even as a Cowboys fan, it makes me sad to hear comparisons like that. I love Mike a lot, but I recognize that it's going to take a lot of time tested battles won before he can even sniff Champ Bailey comparisons. He still gets burnt. I mean... they all do. Even the great ones. The difference for him now, is that he learns from each mistake and keeps getting better and better. We're loving him right now because he's in the middle of making that ascend up towards reaching his potential... and that really is a fun time. You know... the same thing that Terrell Thomas is doing. Makin' that climb! Fun stuff to watch.

bigbluedefense · 11-10-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

Even as a Cowboys fan, it makes me sad to hear comparisons like that. I love Mike a lot, but I recognize that it's going to take a lot of time tested battles won before he can even sniff Champ Bailey comparisons. He still gets burnt. I mean... they all do. Even the great ones. The difference for him now, is that he learns from each mistake and keeps getting better and better. We're loving him right now because he's in the middle of making that ascend up towards reaching his potential... and that really is a fun time. You know... the same thing that Terrell Thomas is doing. Makin' that climb! Fun stuff to watch.

Oh no doubt. He's looking real good right now. And should only get better. Its just the Champ comparisons are a bit much.

LonghornsLegend · 11-10-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Champ Bailey comparisons?

This is why theres no such thing as an underrated Cowboy.

Now you know there are fans everywhere that have to be a homer and overrate their players and annoint them early. Everyone always tries to put this on the Cowboys like it's just our fans that do this lol. I visit alot of other teams boards and it's no different on any team forum.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-10-2009, 08:30 PM

As good as Webster has been the last 2 years I've never seen anyone compare him to Champ Bailey.

herniateddisc · 11-10-2009, 09:36 PM

Webster has not been that good for the last two years. Your pass rush has. This year it has been bad and how has Webster looked??

All this Webster love started with the GB interception in the pen ultimum game of the year. Prior to that, everyone hate him and thought he was crap. All of a sudden he has a good year on a dominant D and he something special?? Whatever.

With respect to the Champ Bailey point, please read carefully. I wrote once he starts getting the calls like Asante does that it is off to the races in terms of EFFECTIVENESS. I am not saying Jenkins is as ACCOMPLISHED, I am saying that once he gets some REF respect he will be in that class of CB.

Why do I think this? B/c he is very physical, has good catch up speed, plays the ball as well as any CB in the league and has good hands. My Jenkins concerns are emotional maturity and in that sense he still has lots to prove.

But right now, pound for pound, he is better than all listed IMHO. Keep watching him ...

Giantsfan1080 · 11-10-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by herniateddisc

Webster has not been that good for the last two years. Your pass rush has. This year it has been bad and how has Webster looked??

With respect to the Champ Bailey point, please read carefully. I wrote once he starts getting the calls like Asante does that it is off to the races in terms of EFFECTIVENESS.

I am not saying Jenkins is as ACCOMPLISHED, I am saying that once he gets some REF respect he will be in that class.

Webster has been excellent this year except for the one game. The first TD he let up in 2 years was against Maclin where he played the coverage perfectly. Jackson ate him up on numerous plays but some WR's just have a CB's number. I'm not the least bit worried.

Rosebud · 11-10-2009, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by herniateddisc

Corey Webster is possibly not even better than Terrell Thomas. Vincent Jackson made him look bad that last play and the G-Men DB are pretty bad right now. If Webster was lock-down they would not be as bad.

I knew useless was the wrong word to describe you as clueless is so much more fitting. There are soooooo many things wrong with this paragraph that I don't even know where to begin with you. I guess I should recommend that you watch a giants game sometime so that you know what you are talking about in at least the slightest way, but since you seem to refuse to do so I'll only wish you good luck.

herniateddisc · 11-10-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

Even as a Cowboys fan, it makes me sad to hear comparisons like that. I love Mike a lot, but I recognize that it's going to take a lot of time tested battles won before he can even sniff Champ Bailey comparisons. He still gets burnt. I mean... they all do. Even the great ones. The difference for him now, is that he learns from each mistake and keeps getting better and better. We're loving him right now because he's in the middle of making that ascend up towards reaching his potential... and that really is a fun time. You know... the same thing that Terrell Thomas is doing. Makin' that climb! Fun stuff to watch.

Name me one play this year where Jenkins was "burned?"

Beaten, everyone, burned???

Can't say one sticks out. Maybe the GMen game which was his first start this season but I remember TNew and Scandrick getting killed.

herniateddisc · 11-10-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Go_Eagles77

What are you basing this off of other than the one time Asante did it on Sunday?

80% of the time he jumps a slant he commits PI. 50% of the time a sideline route is run.

Good for him if he gets away with it. That is the Belichick school of DB play. Make the REFs call it. Ty Law will have done it all the way to the HOF so kudos to getting away with it is my read.

herniateddisc · 11-10-2009, 09:48 PM

I was told by reputable G-Men fans I was crazy for saying your D was in trouble after the Dallas game. So to have the folsk going crazy here on Corey does not surprise me.

Time will tell. Just watch the games.

herniateddisc · 11-10-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Webster has been excellent this year except for the one game. The first TD he let up in 2 years was against Maclin where he played the coverage perfectly. Jackson ate him up on numerous plays but some WR's just have a CB's number. I'm not the least bit worried.

Great, no need for worry whatsoever. I must be crazy.

BaLLiN · 11-10-2009, 09:52 PM

Vincent Jackson made Asmougha look awful... And i honestly dont understand this, but when a CB makes a pick or two they're automatically considered great. Terrell Thomas is doing exactly what Aaron Ross started to do, part of the reason why Antonio Cromartie has been awful and Mike Jenkins from what i saw did it on occasion.

They play off coverage and are very high in their backpedal, basically are staring into the quarterback's eyes the entire time and trying to bait him into a bad throw. Then when they break on the ball they ALWAYS go for the pick, or have gotten themselves out of position. This leads to alot of yards gained, instead of making the quarterback make a good throw they try to get themselves a pick.

herniateddisc · 11-10-2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Oh no doubt. He's looking real good right now. And should only get better. Its just the Champ comparisons are a bit much.

Why? Just watch the game and watch how he plays. He tracks the receiver fluidly, he is able to find the flight of the ball even with his back turned, he is getting better at reading routes and understanding how pass rush alters it, he has good hands and he has excellent speed on the field ....

He is not ACCOMPLISHED yet but he is playing as well as any CB right now in the NFC East.