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Old 09-27-2009, 12:03 AM    (permalink
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Ryan Clady>Michael Roos
I dont know about that one. Clady has potential to be better but he aint there yet. Roos dominates at run and pass blocking. And he is the most important player on our team.
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I dont know about that one. Clady has potential to be better but he aint there yet. Roos dominates at run and pass blocking. And he is the most important player on our team.
I'm just trying to get some debate going on two comparable players. Clady is probably the most important Bronco at this point, dominated last year and has continued this year.

That being said, Roos is most likely the best LT currently in football. Roos>Clady>Gross

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So what the ****. Who is Player 1 better and more productive than?

You can't leave me hangin like that :(
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Matt Ryan is the better and more productive player than Eli Manning.

Not even going to debate it :D.
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I think people forget how good of a player Osi is because he was hurt all last year. Tuck plays the run better but Osi can get to the QB better. In SB 42 Osi was on Brady's ass all game allowing Tuck to eat him up.
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Charles Woodson in his prime and right now and also Darrell Revis > Nnamdi Asomugha

and this one is a bit bold but I'll stand by it

Adrian Peterson > Barry Sanders

I grew up watching Barry and he was amazing, but AP is the most incredible physical specimen that I've ever seen. If you were to genetically engineer a perfect running back it would be him.
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Julius Peppers: twice as many pro-bowls, twice as many All-Pro selections, has been brilliant year in and year out, probably will notch 100 sacks in his career.

Umenyiora is a fine player, and at times he has played the best at his position. For the long haul it isn't even close. As it stands now I think Justin Tuck is more integral to that defense and Tuck was the player who won that Super Bowl.
fair enough, just wanted to hear your reasoning. that's your opinion but as probably the majority of Giants fans will agree, Osi was a bigger part than Tuck of that game, but the scary 3 pronged attack with Strahan was a group effort.
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Frank Gore is a better and more productive player than Steven Jackson.

The two have long been compared due to being in the same division and on bad teams.

Frank Gore is a more consistent, tougher complete back. He plays through injuries and his dedication is second to none and his numbers prove it (all done with no passing game to speak of on his team ever).

I'll take Gore over Jackson thank you.
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The Buffalo Bills are a better and more productive team than the Hamilton Tiger Cats.
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Andre Johnson isn't better than Larry Fitzgerald.

For my money, Calvin Johnson>Andre Johnson.

Actually, I think all things equal, Calvin would outperform any other WR.

So Tron>all.
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Aaron Brown is a better and more productive RB than Reggie Bush!
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Nevermind, Lance Moore>Calvin Johnson Jr.
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Tony Gonzalez is better and more productive than any other TE in history.
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Johnson over Fitzgerald is a good one, Ware over Merriman is a foregone conclusion now although it used to be a classic debate before last year.
Hardly. Merriman is still showing some rust from missing last year, but it's hardly a foregone conclusion. Even despite a sluggish start, he still makes plays like that Flacco interception where he perfectly timed his rush with the snap.
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I grew up watching Barry and he was amazing, but AP is the most incredible physical specimen that I've ever seen. If you were to genetically engineer a perfect running back it would be him.

If I genetically engineered a running back I would make a man 12 feet tall and 330 lbs, with 4 arms and spikes on his back.

Just kidding, but seriously, I agree - I know it's cliche but AP really is as close as we've seen to the perfect "Size and speed" combination that we have seen to date.
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Just kidding, but seriously, I agree - I know it's cliche but AP really is as close as we've seen to the perfect "Size and speed" combination that we have seen to date.
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Bo Jackson would have been good had he played Football. He was a good baseball player though go Royals!
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If only he didn't get hurt. What a career that would have been.
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Bo Jackson basically is the same size / speed combo as Adrian Peterson right?

NFL.com has them both listed at 6-1 and roughly 220 lbs (Peterson @ 217 & Jackson @ 227). I'm comparing AP more to other great backs of different sizes and speeds, such as:

LaDanian Tomlinson: 5-11, 221

Emmitt Smith: 5-9, 216

Ricky Watters: 6-1, 211

Walter Payton: 5-10, 200

Barry Sanders: 5-8, 200

Jim Brown: 6-2, 232

Marshall Faulk: 5-10, 211

Terrel Davis: 5-11, 206

Thurman Thomas: 5-10, 200

Eric Dickerson: 6-3, 220

Jerome Bettis: 5-11, 252

Tony Dorsett: 5-11, 192

The only guys that even come remotely close to height and weight of AP (or Bo Jackson) are Eric Dickerson and LT.

And yes, I'm aware that there is a lot more to the "size and speed" part of being a halfback than his height and weight, I just don't have a scale for muscle mass or total body fat or all of their 10-20-40 yard dash times.
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Bo Jackson was like 6'1 230, but the speed difference might be bigger than the weight difference.... that's the scary part.

Either way, Peterson might have better measurables than Sanders, but I care about results... Barry has Peterson beat there.
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Bo Jackson was like 6'1 230, but the speed difference might be bigger than the weight difference.... that's the scary part.

Either way, Peterson might have better measurables than Sanders, but I care about results... Barry has Peterson beat there.

Over a career, yes. But if compare both of their numbers for their first two years...AD is right there with him.

AD- 3201 yards, 5.16 YPC, 22 TD
Barry- 2774 yards 5.19 YPC 27 TD
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It's true that AD>Barry as an all-around back and the perfect physical specimen at RB. We all know that Barry had some holes in his game like pass catching, power running, blocking, consistent performance within the game plan.

But Barry>everybody ever when it comes to doing amazing and sick things on the football field. I watched nearly every game of his career and in just about every one he dropped at least 3-5 moves on someone that made your jaw hang open.

AD has plays where he outruns guys or makes a cut and takes it to the house, but he is not in Barry's league when it comes to highlight-reel plays and moves. No one is or ever has been.
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So what the ****. Who is Player 1 better and more productive than?

You can't leave me hangin like that :(
Player 1 is better and more productive than Ernie Sims.
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