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Old 09-28-2009, 11:16 AM    (permalink
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I'm curious to know what has been the biggest change from last year to this. If anything, the addition of Cutler should have created a better run game for them. I really haven't paid much attention to the o-line play for the Bears.
Orlando Pace is stiff. Chris Williams isn't enough of a mauler to push on the right side. Garza hasn't looked half bad, and Kreutz is just getting keyed on in gap assignments.

As importantly Omiyale just doesn't look comfortable in the left guard position.

Cutler has helped in the pass blocking, but the run blocking has been poor at best especially on the right side, Forte can't hit a hole that's not there, and all he really has is moving outside, he's quick, he's not chris johnson quick to be able to consistently move outside and pound the ball off tackle.
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2008 and 2009 season combines

Jeff Backus: 19 games, 10.25 sacks allowed, 6 False Start penalties, 6 Holding penalties
Ryan Clady: 19 games, 0.5 sacks allowed, 1 False Start penalty, 1 Holding penalty
Michael Roos: 19 games, 2 sacks allowed, 6 False Start penalties, 0 Holding penalties
Joe Thomas: 19 games, 5.5 sacks allowed, 5 False Start penalties, 1 Holding penalty

I'll let you draw your own conclusions, based on how much you value stats for offensive linemen.
Im not going to judge right now because I never watch Clady run block, but I would be willing to bet that Michael Roos is much better . Ill watch him the next time I see a Broncos game.
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Bo Jackson basically is the same size / speed combo as Adrian Peterson right?

NFL.com has them both listed at 6-1 and roughly 220 lbs (Peterson @ 217 & Jackson @ 227). I'm comparing AP more to other great backs of different sizes and speeds, such as:
Bo Jackson was MUCH bigger in terms of thickness than Adrian Peterson and quite a bit faster. That's the crazy part--Jackson was ridiculously fast. Peterson is amazing, but Jackson was more amazing.
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Who would you guys rather have Texans Andre Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald. They're not my teams. But both had average to below average QB's for a couple years right?
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I'd take andre johnson over fitz because he's the esecond best deep threat behind randy, which changes coverage a lot more than a dominant intermediate receiver like fitzy and Roos over clady because they're both exceptional pass blockers while Roos is one of the best run blocking LT.
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Im not going to judge right now because I never watch Clady run block, but I would be willing to bet that Michael Roos is much better . But Ill watch him the next time I see a Broncos game.
These stats also completely ignore how good the quarterback is at avoiding stats.

Or for that matter run blocking. The reason why Certain guys are held in higher regard than others who gave up slightly less sacks has more to do with simple numbers of sacks allowed and how many times they flinch, if you've got a QB with a slow release (Roethlisberger) you're going to look a lot worse than a guy who fires it out overly quick.
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Tashard Choice is at worst better than 50% of starting RBs in the NFL.
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Funny thing is he'd be a third stringer in Carolina.
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The funny thing is he's a third stringer already.
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I think I'm gonna have to ask you to defend that one,

Buffalo; Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch. no
Miami; Ronnie Brown. no
New England; He probably wouldn't start but he'd get more carries than he does. Maybe
New York: He'd get carries, but I'd take Shonn Green and Leon Washington as a change of pace over him. no

Baltimore: Willis and Ray Rice...no
Cincinnati: Cedric Benson has looked like a monster. no
Cleveland: Yes, probably but I really like Davis
Pittsburgh: Willie Parker, Rashard Mendenhall, no

Houston: Steve Slaton, I wouldn't...some might, maybe
Indy: Addai, Brown. no
Jacksonville: MJD, no
Tennessee: Chris Johnson, no

Denver: Knowshon Moreno, no
Chiefs: Larry Johnson, he wouldn't start over LJ but he may be as productive...I'll say maybe
Raiders: DMC, Micheal Bush. no
San Diego: LT and Sproles, no

Dallas: Obviously not...he's 3rd team
New York: Brandon Jacobs, no
Philly: Westbrook, McCoy..no
Washington: Portis, Betts no

Chicago: Forte, no
Minnesota: Peterson, Taylor. NO!!
Green Bay: Grant, eh...maybe
Lions: Kevin Smith, no

Falcons: Turner, no
Panthers: Williams, Stewart, no
Saints: Thomas, Bush, Bell, no
Tampa Bay: Williams, Ward, Graham, no

Arizona: Wells, at this moment yes...but I'd rather have Wells longterm so no
St Louis: Jackson, no
San Fran: Gore, no
Seattle: Jones, no

In my opinion, there's one team maybe two (Cleveland and New England) in the NFL that Tashard Choice would probably start for. And only a handful of teams he's better than the second guy. He's never even had a 100 yard game
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Peyton Hillis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Felix Jones > Darren McFadden

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It's too bad Felix Jones isn't on a team that would use him more (why didn't he have more than 10 touches before he got hurt?). I really love watching him play.
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I don't think the problem is the Cowboys. He needs to stay healthy, so they can give me more touches. He's their best playmaker by far, they know that.
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Except for Clady, Roos, and Gross.
Little late getting here, but no. JT hasn't gotten beat at all this year. He has been completely dominant.
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Little late getting here, but no. JT hasn't gotten beat at all this year. He has been completely dominant.
Clady is ridiculous. How did this guy fall to 12, it makes no sense. What a miss by the scouts. At least Roos had to develop.
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Felix Jones is better and more productive than Bo Jackson.

ESPN put up an intersting stat on Monday that Felix Jones became the first running back since Bo Jackson in 1987 to have at least 400 yards in his first 50 carries.

Jackson had 424 yards on his first 50 carries. Jones had 438 yards on his first 50 carries.

Here's the breakdown:

FELIX JONES

2008
at Cleveland - 9 carries, 62 yards
vs. Philadelphia - 3 carries, 10 yards
at Green Bay - 6 carries, 76 yards
vs. Washington - 0 carries, 0 yards
vs. Cincinnati - 9 carries, 96 yards
at Arizona - 3 carries, 22 yards
2009
at Tampa Bay - 6 carries, 22 yards
vs. NY Giants - 7 carries, 96 yards
vs. Carolina - 8 carries, 94 yards
Totals - 51 carries, 478 yards

BO JACKSON
1987
at New England - 8 carries, 37 yards
at Minnesota - 12 carries, 74 yards
at San Diego - 8 carries, 45 yards
vs. Denver - 13 carries, 98 yards
at Seattle - 18 carries, 221 yards
Totals - 59 carries, 475 yards
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