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Old 10-01-2009, 01:33 PM    (permalink
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You can make up all the garbage you want, but the fact still remains none of those pansie teams could hang with the BCS guys week in and week out. Period, end of story, discussion over, I win.
There's no statistical fact to prove your argument.
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You can make up all the garbage you want, but the fact still remains none of those pansie teams could hang with the BCS guys week in and week out. Period, end of story, discussion over, I win.
HMMMM... What did Utah do to Alabama last year? They did not just hang with them, they DESTROYED them in every facet of the game. In FACT, non-BCS teams are 3-1 in BCS games that I remember with Utah winning twice and Boise St. beating Oklahoma.

So, with non-BCS teams going 3-1 on neutral fields in the biggest bowl games in the country, I think it is quite clear that they can not only compete week in and week out, but they can excel!! Period, end of story, discussion over, you lose. Enjoy.
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Again you bafoons keep bringing up 1 game per season. How about try reading the entire arguement before you rebuff. Seriously smart guys Boise, Utah, Houston, TCU, BYU, Frenso, Hawaii...none of these guys would hang with the BCS schools week in and week out. I'll say it again so you don't misunderstand yet again and give me some one game bologna. Week in and week out those pretenders from the non-BCS would never hang with the contenders from the BCS.
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Keep on keeping on with the negative rep hits. You only do it because I'm right and its the only way to get back at me since you can't give me a good enough arguement to prove those pretenders could actually make it on a week to week basis in a BCS conference.
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There's a reason why "Big Balsy BCS teams" schedule schools like Idaho State and Charleston southern.. because they don't want to be beat. There's no statistical proof or fact proving whether or not a non BCS team wouldn't be successful in a big time conference given the exposure and limelight because in most of them games these "small schools" play.. they beat! BYU already gets great recruiting classes as it is. Fresno has to compete with numerous other schools for cali prospects and houston and tcu as well for texas kids. Put them into these "Big balls BCS conferences" as you say and sure, they may not find instant success but you'd better bet your ass no one would be safe.

The fact of the matter is, these guys are winning games and thats all that matters in football rankings right now. WINS. Not "hey if they were in this conference they wouldn't be good" NO.. WINS.
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Okay, fine... Let's just use the info that we have and let everyone draw their own conclusions.

In the modern BCS era-

Since 2004 the 4 most successful Non-BCS teams are Utah, Boise St., BYU, and TCU and they are a combined record of 33-20. That is a 62.26 winning percentage.

Most of those games are played in the BCS teams first 2-3 games when they are healthy and fresh, and not in the middle of their "grueling" conference schedule.

TCU - 10-3 against BCS schools since 2004
Utah - 11-4 against BCS schools since 2004
Boise St. - 5-4 against BCS schools since 2004
BYU - 7-9 against BCS schools since 2004

I mean come on Smoke, who in their right mind would say that these teams cannot at least be middle of the pack teams in the "BIG TIME" conferences?
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You can make up all the garbage you want, but the fact still remains none of those pansie teams could hang with the BCS guys week in and week out. Period, end of story, discussion over, I win.
Oh boy, you sure convinced me.
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Oregon, one of the top teams in the Pac-10, couldn't hang with Boise State for one game. Where is the proof that the rest of the Pac-10 could hang with Boise State week in and week out? Sure, maybe some of these schools don't run the table in the SEC or BIG XII, but I see no evidence as to why they couldn't win one of the other four BCS conferences. It's alright, I'm done arguing. I'm content knowing that one of these teams is probably going to win their BCS Bowl... Again.
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Oregon, one of the top teams in the Pac-10, couldn't hang with Boise State for one game. Where is the proof that the rest of the Pac-10 could hang with Boise State week in and week out? Sure, maybe some of these schools don't run the table in the SEC or BIG XII, but I see no evidence as to why they couldn't win one of the other four BCS conferences. It's alright, I'm done arguing. I'm content knowing that one of these teams is probably going to win their BCS Bowl... Again.
There are 6 BCS conferences, but I understand how someone would forget how the ACC and Big East are still in the equation. ;-)
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South Carolina's still in good position to be ranked within the next few weeks with games coming up against South Carolina St. and Kentucky.
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Okay, fine... Let's just use the info that we have and let everyone draw their own conclusions.

In the modern BCS era-

Since 2004 the 4 most successful Non-BCS teams are Utah, Boise St., BYU, and TCU and they are a combined record of 33-20. That is a 62.26 winning percentage.

Most of those games are played in the BCS teams first 2-3 games when they are healthy and fresh, and not in the middle of their "grueling" conference schedule.

TCU - 10-3 against BCS schools since 2004
Utah - 11-4 against BCS schools since 2004
Boise St. - 5-4 against BCS schools since 2004
BYU - 7-9 against BCS schools since 2004

I mean come on Smoke, who in their right mind would say that these teams cannot at least be middle of the pack teams in the "BIG TIME" conferences?
Oh yea they played such tough BCS teams too didn't they hahaha what a joke.

I do agree they would be middle of the pack though I was never arguing they would be bottom feeders if that is what you ment. They would be 4-6 loss teams at the worst. Boise has a lot of talent and great coaching they wouldn't be a losing team by any means, but they wouldn't be BCS bowl bound either. They wouldn't be able to hang with the big dogs that many weeks to earn a BCS bowl game.


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Oh yea they played such tough BCS teams too didn't they hahaha what a joke.

I do agree they would be middle of the pack though I was never arguing they would be bottom feeders if that is what you ment. They would be 4-6 loss teams at the worst. Boise has a lot of talent and great coaching they wouldn't be a losing team by any means, but they wouldn't be BCS bowl bound either. They wouldn't be able to hang with the big dogs that many weeks to earn a BCS bowl game.


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You haven't proven a thing this whole argument. All you kept saying was that small schools can't hang with the big dogs, you know it, and I win. No kind of proof was attached to your outbursts. At least jnew had the common sense to come with facts. You're begging questions here.

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South Carolina's still in good position to be ranked within the next few weeks with games coming up against South Carolina St. and Kentucky.
They're roughly 28th right now, if you look at it that way. So, I'm hoping we'll jump in there next week. Then we get Kentucky before facing Bama, could be 5-1, heading into the game.
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Keep on keeping on with the negative rep hits. You only do it because I'm right and its the only way to get back at me since you can't give me a good enough arguement to prove those pretenders could actually make it on a week to week basis in a BCS conference.
His argument is far better than yours. He showed that the non BCS teams are 3-1 against the top schools in Bowl games. Boise St. has a very solid record against top Pac 10 teams in weekly games and I can name a few times in weekly games that non BCS teams have beaten BCS schools. You on the other hand have nothing to prove your point only your own belief which carries little weight. However I do agree that insults lower a person argument and are uncalled for.
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Oregon, one of the top teams in the Pac-10, couldn't hang with Boise State for one game. Where is the proof that the rest of the Pac-10 could hang with Boise State week in and week out? Sure, maybe some of these schools don't run the table in the SEC or BIG XII, but I see no evidence as to why they couldn't win one of the other four BCS conferences. It's alright, I'm done arguing. I'm content knowing that one of these teams is probably going to win their BCS Bowl... Again.
you don't honestly think boise st. could win the pac-10 or big-10 do you?
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his argument has more weight than you're giving it

It's the constant schedule of BCS caliber teams that really takes the toll on top CFB teams. USC always loses to one of the scrub Pac10 teams, probably b/c theyre overlooking them. And sure, you could say Oregon State or Stanford or whoever isn't much better than some non-BCS teams, but the true comparison is that theyre MUCH, MUCH better than the New Mexico States who are at the bottom of the pack in the MWC and such

Or what about Ole Miss last year. Were they any better than TCU or BYU last year? Probably not, but that was just another game on Florida's schedule whereas those are circled dates for Utah. It's just a fact that some teams come to games more focused than others. Look at Florida State's up and down year so far. Or look at every college basketball result where an in-state lesser team pushes a big time program to the wire then goes on to finish 15-14 in a crap conference

Houston almost losing to Texas Tech at home with an extra week to prepare after the high point in their season, upsetting Ok State, is proof positive of this

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you don't honestly think boise st. could win the pac-10 or big-10 do you?
Well the way the Pac-10 is looking this year they probably could....other years they could finish top 3 for sure only because USC had been winning the conference...but say years like this one they would have a great shot at winning it.
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Okay, fine... Let's just use the info that we have and let everyone draw their own conclusions.

In the modern BCS era-

Since 2004 the 4 most successful Non-BCS teams are Utah, Boise St., BYU, and TCU and they are a combined record of 33-20. That is a 62.26 winning percentage.

Most of those games are played in the BCS teams first 2-3 games when they are healthy and fresh, and not in the middle of their "grueling" conference schedule.

TCU - 10-3 against BCS schools since 2004
Utah - 11-4 against BCS schools since 2004
Boise St. - 5-4 against BCS schools since 2004
BYU - 7-9 against BCS schools since 2004

I mean come on Smoke, who in their right mind would say that these teams cannot at least be middle of the pack teams in the "BIG TIME" conferences?
I don't know about Utah, Boise St., and BYU but TCU aren't 10-3 since 04. They're like 9-6.
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