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Old 06-10-2015, 01:11 PM    (permalink
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My girlfriend's father is involved in a clearly biased school situation involving an injury to a girl after school.

The background is as follows:

It rained and softball and baseball games were cancelled. My girlfriend's father is the baseball coach and was preparing the boy's gym for practice, going in and out of the gym to his car to retrieve equipment from his car.

The softball team was not dismissed, but was brought by another coach to the girl's gym to support the badmington team. The other teacher's testimony states he was aware that some of his girls broke off and were "horse-playing", but did not attempt to reprimand them to come with him or stop acting up.

From then on the girl's continued to the boy's gym where my girlfriend's father was still in and out, and his students were preparing for practice (though practice did not start). Apparently the "horse-playing" continued, and one of the girls tried to strike a boy, but wound up slipping and falling on her own per her own and all of the other students testimonies.

He has tenure, though is possibly being prejudicially transferred (to a place where he cannot pick). I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about school systems as the principal and athletic director are attempting to blame my girlfriend's father for the incident in entirety.

Some other useful things for judgement are that he attempted to call the AD, principal, and police offices without any response, but was then able to contact the nurse and followed protocol from there.

The formal report states that each coach is expected to hold their athlete's health and safety "paramount...for all activities during the season of their sport". My question is why is he being blamed when the other teacher's student is the one who caused her own injury and was allowed to leave her authorized area disobediently?

Does Pennsylvania have a definite policy for whether a faculty is responsible for an area or students specifically? I don't see how it could be an area due to students regularly leaving for the bathroom or their locker, and as my girlfriend's father is being told he is responsible for both the locker room and the gym despite only being one person and unable to be in both places at once.
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Has he tried reporting it his teacher's union?
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Has he tried reporting it his teacher's union?
his union doesn't want to throw the other teacher under the bus apparently
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his union doesn't want to throw the other teacher under the bus apparently
Why does any teacher have to be blamed? I don't understand where the girl has a case for the school to be reliable for anything.

Take it to twitter!!! Where every wrong is made a right! lol
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my bad, he spelled it that way in his testimony.

My though exactly D, the girl ran off, the teacher is responsible for many other students and he has to chase after her and leave all the others? The girl knew she was goofing off and caused her own injury.

The only fault I see is that the nurse didn't bring the girl to the hospital because it is questionable whether she had syncope or not (the other children say the girl's eyes were fluttering and they suspected she was "out")
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I don't see how a teacher can be held accountable unless neglect, abuse, or conscious disregard for student safety and school district safeguards were proven.

Without judging any single party, it seems there is more to the story than what I read.
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I don't see how a teacher can be held accountable unless neglect, abuse, or conscious disregard for student safety and school district safeguards were proven.

Without judging any single party, it seems there is more to the story than what I read.
My thoughts exactly. Because as it's presented, I don't get it.
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Someone get CJ or another teacher to weigh in on teacher/school responsibilities. I have a feeling schools are liable for **** that happens on their property, especially if school events are still going on, and they might be trying to avoid further problems/legal action by having him take the fall as a tenured teacher.
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The only other incident he has ever been involved with is when they switched over the locks to the boys locker room the AD (who is the person that is driving this case) purposely neglected to give him a key. So the other boys coach gave him a key to have access and then he got found out and a strike against him.

Hence why he had to go to his car to get the baseball equipment. The equipment that is owned by the school...but he has to lug around because they refuse to give him ease of access to the locker room.

He is a literature teacher and teaches in philly. He thinks he's being discriminated against because he is white and the students respect him (they refer to him by a nickname in their testimonies and also said that he did "everything right" and "made us check for help at the the athletic directors office, the police office..." but each were empty despite students still being in the building for sports and such....

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The one thing that alarmed me was that one of the boys said he told the nurse that the girl was "out", and from nexus and some other head/neck injury protocols, that means it is very likely the girl shouldve had a CT scan instead of being observed.

That right there could've been a lawsuit in favor of the student/family.
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Do you know how long he was out of the gym before and during the incident? That would seem to be the only aspect where neglect of any kind could be brought up.
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Do you know how long he was out of the gym before and during the incident? That would seem to be the only aspect where neglect of any kind could be brought up.
I don't personally, but I can ask. he was setting up for a practice that had not begun.
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I don't personally, but I can ask. he was setting up for a practice that had not begun.
It depends. He likely was in charge of the students in question and left them unattended when an injury occurred.

No reason to place blame on anyone but when the school's liability comes into question, you'd best make sure you were properly monitoring the behavior of the students.

Tough to put that responsibility on one educator. More chaperones should be present, in my opinion.

I went to a tiny high school and there were always multiple teachers or coaches around. So, it's difficult for me to see where a multitude of students from various groups were all in one gymnasium area and none of their teachers and/or coaches were present/responsible to monitor their behavior.
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I gave him my opinion already. It pretty much ends here: "The other teacher's testimony states he was aware that some of his girls broke off and were "horse-playing", but did not attempt to reprimand them to come with him or stop acting up."

If his GF's dad was otherwise engaged in school duties, and unaware of the girl's actions as well as the fact that he had seen them being brought to the gym by another teacher, there isn't much they can do to him other than make him sit through a group "now, let's be responsible coaches in the gym" meeting.
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Dear NFLDC,

My girlfriend's father is involved in a clearly biased school situation involving an injury to a girl after school.

The background is as follows:

It rained and softball and baseball games were cancelled. My girlfriend's father is the baseball coach and was preparing the boy's gym for practice, going in and out of the gym to his car to retrieve equipment from his car.

The softball team was not dismissed, but was brought by another coach to the girl's gym to support the badmington team. The other teacher's testimony states he was aware that some of his girls broke off and were "horse-playing", but did not attempt to reprimand them to come with him or stop acting up.

From then on the girl's continued to the boy's gym where my girlfriend's father was still in and out, and his students were preparing for practice (though practice did not start). Apparently the "horse-playing" continued, and one of the girls tried to strike a boy, but wound up slipping and falling on her own per her own and all of the other students testimonies.

He has tenure, though is possibly being prejudicially transferred (to a place where he cannot pick). I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about school systems as the principal and athletic director are attempting to blame my girlfriend's father for the incident in entirety.

Some other useful things for judgement are that he attempted to call the AD, principal, and police offices without any response, but was then able to contact the nurse and followed protocol from there.

The formal report states that each coach is expected to hold their athlete's health and safety "paramount...for all activities during the season of their sport". My question is why is he being blamed when the other teacher's student is the one who caused her own injury and was allowed to leave her authorized area disobediently?

Does Pennsylvania have a definite policy for whether a faculty is responsible for an area or students specifically? I don't see how it could be an area due to students regularly leaving for the bathroom or their locker, and as my girlfriend's father is being told he is responsible for both the locker room and the gym despite only being one person and unable to be in both places at once.
There are some crucial facts not in evidence here.
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