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Old 10-08-2009, 08:17 PM    (permalink
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I have yet to hear anyone actually say Drew Brees is a Top 3 QB. Anyone care to put themselves on that ledge???
Drew Brees is the third best QB in the NFL.
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I have yet to hear anyone actually say Drew Brees is a Top 3 QB. Anyone care to put themselves on that ledge???
Brees is definately number 3, I can't think of anyone that is even close to him for the third spot.
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In fact, I'd put him in the same class as Brady and Manning, I don't debate which of those two are better than one another, and I think Brees is on par with those two.
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I guess I should know from being on the forum this long that there's no changing the mind of a loyal fan. OK, so you think Brees is a Top 3 QB in the league. Carry on.

My logic is not flawed. Marino withstood the test of time. He accomplished a hell of a lot without winning the SB. Winning the SB is not the tell all story like you keep acting as if I'm saying (which I am not). There's a difference between what Marino did in his entire career and what Dilfer and those others did. Winning 1 playoff game in 7 years as a starter... that's Brees' line. That's not "Marino-like" in any way you wanna spin it. Please don't try to compare the 2 or say that Brees is on that path. If you do, then that only justifies me saying he's overrated.
The only way they are similar is in their numbers. There's a lot that's different about Marino. From the offense scheme, to the coaching, to the eras they have played in, etc... The comparison was brought on using your system of judging quarterbacks.

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Justifying his stats is exactly the reason why he's overrated in the first place. 1) He's in a pass happy offense. 2) The defense is so bad, that they're always playing catch up.
Tom Brady is in a pass happy offense, so is Petyon Manning and Kurt Warner. Right now Ben Roethlisberger is in a pass happy offense. Are they overrated to? How many Super Bowls would those QB's have won if they were playing for the Saints teams since Brees tenure?

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Enough with the excuses of him losing. A QBs job is to win. ...and THAT is how they are all measured. Fair or not.
I'm not going to deny that winning percentage is how a QB is measured but it takes more than just a QB to win a football game.
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The only way they are similar is in their numbers. There's a lot that's different about Marino. From the offense scheme, to the coaching, to the eras they have played in, etc... The comparison was brought on using your system of judging quarterbacks.
No, you brought up Marino and you concocted some weird system saying it was mine. Putting words in my mouth. I merely criticized his 1 playoff win in 7 seasons. If that's a top 3 QB, then glory glory halelujah!


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Tom Brady is in a pass happy offense, so is Petyon Manning and Kurt Warner. Right now Ben Roethlisberger is in a pass happy offense. Are they overrated to? How many Super Bowls would those QB's have won if they were playing for the Saints teams since Brees tenure?
Where oh where have I ever said Brees needed to win a SB to be considered at Top 3 QB? WHERE???!!! You're arguing against your own made up stuff that you think I'm saying.


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I'm not going to deny that winning percentage is how a QB is measured but it takes more than just a QB to win a football game.
I don't disagree with that by any means. He just needs to show me more than what he's shown.
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Brees as a Top 3 QB - Sniper, Blindsite, the decider and diab so far...

After Brady and Peyton... I'd put Big Ben, Eli, Favre (in no particular order) and then Brees... and I might even put Donovan ahead of Brees... yeah, I will.

I can trust those guys to "make it happen".
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Brees as a Top 3 QB - Sniper, Blindsite, the decider and diab so far...

After Brady and Peyton... I'd put Big Ben, Eli, Favre (in no particular order) and then Brees... and I might even put Donovan ahead of Brees... yeah, I will.

I can trust those guys to "make it happen".
Wait you can trust McNabb to ...




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Seriously though you can put me down for Brees #3 as well.
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The fact that you all agree, is a testament to why I think he's overrated.

I can't remember a single big game he's won.
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The fact that you all agree, is a testament to why I think he's overrated.

I can't remember a single big game he's won.
You do realize that Drew Brees only plays on offense right? And for that matter he only throws the ball and doesn't call plays or run the ball? I mean he may be jesus incarnate but he still can't win every game by himself. I really don't see how his resume is any less impressive than the Peyton years before the colts decided to build some sort of defense, in fact Brees has even had a worse oline and worse talent on offense than those colts.
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You do realize that Drew Brees only plays on offense right? And for that matter he only throws the ball and doesn't call plays or run the ball? I mean he may be jesus incarnate but he still can't win every game by himself. I really don't see how his resume is any less impressive than the Peyton years before the colts decided to build some sort of defense, in fact Brees has even had a worse oline and worse talent on offense than those colts.
Meh with the 7 years of excuses.

But I'm enjoying the conversation.
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Meh with the 7 years of excuses.

But I'm enjoying the conversation.
By that logic the ravens Defense from 2002-2008 was over-rated because how many playoff games have they won?
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I knew what I was getting into. I'm done stating my case. He's in the minute minority.
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I agree with this. Isn't it odd that I, the Falcons fan, am the one standing up for Brees? Saints fans, I expect the same for Matt Ryan in the future.
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Actually if we are just talking about this season I would put Brees at #2 so far. I agree that for his career he is hardly a top 3 QB just yet but like Eli showed, that can change if he puts together a whole season and wins the SB.
Anybody IMO who has Aaron Rodgers at #6 is absurd. There is no way he is a top 10 QB just yet. Top 10 QB's are winners at the least and Rodgers has yet to demonstrate he is a winning QB.
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Actually if we are just talking about this season I would put Brees at #2 so far. I agree that for his career he is hardly a top 3 QB just yet but like Eli showed, that can change if he puts together a whole season and wins the SB.
Anybody IMO who has Aaron Rodgers at #6 is absurd. There is no way he is a top 10 QB just yet. Top 10 QB's are winners at the least and Rodgers has yet to demonstrate he is a winning QB.
Aw man shut up about "winners" Rogers doesn't lose games, the greenbay defense and offensive line does.

Jesus christ, Winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners winners

It's old already. Everyone pulls that argument out OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER

Jake Delhomme has a better winning percentage in the playoffs than Peyton Manning by 25%, does that make him a better quarterback? No way in hell.
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If I had one game to win and Brady and Peyton aren't around. I'm not calling for Brees.
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If I had one game to win and Brady and Peyton aren't around. I'm not calling for Brees.
Then you'd lose to my team who he'd be quarterbacking.
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How was Elway's defense and running game in the years he lost the Super Bowl? This is a real question. I know the 86 Giants dominated the Super Bowl against the Broncos but I'm not sure if they deserved to be there even with the lucky play against the Browns.
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