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Old 10-14-2009, 01:01 AM    (permalink
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I was listening to this on 'The Dan Patrick Show' at work. They had some guy from PFT on and they went over multiple subjects including Quinn and Cleveland.

Apparently Mangini has determined and stated that he doesn't believe Quinn can be a quarterback in this league. Patrick responded by saying "That's funny, because we don't know if Mangini can actually coach in this league..."

I couldn't catch all of it because of work, but they also stated how low Quinn's trade value is right now...
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I think Seattle would be perfect for him. He could sit behind Hasselbeck and take over next year in an offense tailor made for him.
No need for Quinn, they already have Mike Teel.
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Friends texted me at dinner saying the Raiders are talking to the Browns about Quinn. Really if we can somehow get rid of Russell and his contract for Quinn Id take it. Russell has been the worst QB Ive ever seen, sure Quinn hasnt been all that good either, but Im sure alot of people would take Quinn over Russell
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I think Quinn could learn a lot behind Favre the remainder of the season. Quinn for TJack strait up. :D
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I think Carolina would be really smart to ship a draft pick over if his value is low. They have absolutely nothing behind Delhomme and no young prospect to develop with any nature of talent. Quinn is still very young and with the right staff in place could definitely succeed.

How ironic would it be if the Raiders traded for Quinn to start over Russell after passing on Quinn to draft Russell? That would be awesome.
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Teams that make the most sense for getting Quinn are
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Once again dont count out Oakland, probably give up Nnamdi for him. 2 QBs in at the same time! Who has the ball? Raiders FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No really, I hope for Bradys sake he gets out of Clevland asap.

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How does Brady have more trade buzz than Leinart, the world's most forgotten man?
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He'll be traded for a 6th Round Pick and a former Jets player.
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brett favre and a 6th round pick...
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How does Brady have more trade buzz than Leinart, the world's most forgotten man?
I think that the coaching staff in Arizona still has faith in Leinart. Obviously or they would have released him a long time ago since they have Warner.
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No it's not just because of his Raiders performance. He still has a very good arm and if you put a real line in front of him he can do a very good job. The Giants coaching staff pretty much built him back up from scratch where he could start for a team.
Did you forget his play in Carolina in 2007, it's not like he was lacking in a supporting cast even then with Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, even then the Panthers didn't have a terrible offensive line.

He held on to the ball too long, failed to look past the checkdown line and in general melted under anything other than a non-existent pass rush.

The guy should never get another starting gig.

To continue the homer theme, Carolina I would have thought may have been a possibility.

Back in time when Quinn was coming out, Fox reportedly contacted Charlie Weiss (whom he is very close with) and had a discussion (or so the rumor goes) about his potential and had he been there at 25 the Panthers wouldn't have necessarily gone with Jon Beason (keep in mind this is before Dan Morgan retired from football).

That is to say, the Panthers may have drafted quinn in 2007 had Cleveland not traded to in front of Carolina to select him. Add to the fact that Rip Scherer now is in Carolina who was Quinn's coach the last two years and is a QB developer, and Davidson being a former brown's coach and you can see a lot of influences there, but then again there's almost no ammunition I could see the Panthers parting with since the 49ers already have the Panthers first round pick and god only knows how much leway Hurney has at the moment considering the 1-3 start
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what recovery? dude is a career back-up at best.
Well let's see what he can do when he isn't getting tossed around the place with a horrible OL. I think he still has game left in him. He just needs to go to a place where he isn't going to get owned like he was in Houston.
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well sure, but i hardly think jamarcus russell is a good comparison.
I refuse to think of Russel as an NFL QB right now so I wasn't even thinking of him.
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Sounds about right. IMO, Quinn just doesn't have it and never will. He's been in the league for awhile now and 2 HC's and 2 OC's have turned thumbs down on him. just because he was a former 1st rounder doesn't mean he will suddenly be good. He's a flop who will be out of the league in a year or 2.
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David Carr made his OL look a lot worse than it was, the same way good QBs make their OL look a lot better. If the Raiders make a move for Quinn, they'll simply be going from one 2007 draft bust to another. Quinn sucks. He doesn't have it and he never will have it.
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Sounds about right. IMO, Quinn just doesn't have it and never will. He's been in the league for awhile now and 2 HC's and 2 OC's have turned thumbs down on him. just because he was a former 1st rounder doesn't mean he will suddenly be good. He's a flop who will be out of the league in a year or 2.
K seriously this is the 3rd time this week someone has beaten me to the punch of saying the exact same thing. lol.
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I was going to use Kerry Collins as an example but Collins had a lot more success before his meltdown. Don't forget Carr had a pretty good half last year in Week 17 also when the Vikings needed a win. I know it's a small sample size but he's just as good now as some other QB's that are playing.
And Jamarcus Russell had two very good games when Tampa Bay and Denver needs wins last year. What's your point? If that actually meant something, that Raiders would be 4-1 now and jockeying with the Broncos for 1st place.
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I never thought Quinn got a fair shot in Cleveland...and I don't think he ever will get a fair shot. Starting over is Quinn's best chance at success. And, it'll be good for Cleveland to clear up the muddled QB picture.

Also, I really thought the Browns and the Browns fans gave up on Tim Couch too quickly. something to be careful of. If they're gonna keep investing money and draft picks into young QBs, they need to develop them correctly. I believe a young QBs success is based about 30% on his talent and 70% on the situation he's in. The Browns haven't had a successful QB since they re-joined the league. Maybe it's time to stop blaming the QBs....
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And Jamarcus Russell had two very good games when Tampa Bay and Denver needs wins last year. What's your point? If that actually meant something, that Raiders would be 4-1 now and jockeying with the Broncos for 1st place.
No I was just pointing out the fact that when Carr has been in games the last 2 years he's looked good. Like I said it's a limited sample size but it's better than him looking bad in these games.
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Sounds about right. IMO, Quinn just doesn't have it and never will. He's been in the league for awhile now and 2 HC's and 2 OC's have turned thumbs down on him. just because he was a former 1st rounder doesn't mean he will suddenly be good. He's a flop who will be out of the league in a year or 2.
Packers fans were saying the same thing with Rodgers, he had 2 OCs in 2 years and wasnt developing as the team liked. Then came his third year and showed a lot of potential.
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Packers fans were saying the same thing with Rodgers, he had 2 OCs in 2 years and wasnt developing as the team liked. Then came his third year and showed a lot of potential.
Also Quinn was given a shot and played decent last year. And after I think only 2 games got hurt.

The problem I think is Magini doesn't like Quinn and never really wanted to play him in the first place. It painfully obvious. Quinn got benched in Baltimore and Anderson came in and did worse. Now Anderson went 2 for 17 this past Sunday? Quinn's best bet is getting out of Cleveland. I think ownership may have told Mangini to play Quinn to start the season and he didn't really care for that. Thus the quick hook.
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I never thought Quinn got a fair shot in Cleveland...and I don't think he ever will get a fair shot. Starting over is Quinn's best chance at success. And, it'll be good for Cleveland to clear up the muddled QB picture.

Also, I really thought the Browns and the Browns fans gave up on Tim Couch too quickly. something to be careful of. If they're gonna keep investing money and draft picks into young QBs, they need to develop them correctly. I believe a young QBs success is based about 30% on his talent and 70% on the situation he's in. The Browns haven't had a successful QB since they re-joined the league. Maybe it's time to stop blaming the QBs....
Meh...I disagree. I think Quinn is in the same boat as Couch in the fact that they just don't have "it". I still laugh at the fact that Couch was a top overall pick in the draft.
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Quinn should give up football and stick to real estate.
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Mangini denies he's trying to move Quinn:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4558301

He may be lying though.

If Edwards' career can be reborn with the Jets as we saw Monday night, Quinn's can in St. Louis or Carolina. He's low mileage with lots of upside in a new NFL city.

Both Al Davis & Mangini seem to like trading for the adrenalin rush of it, no one s/b surprised if those 2 play lets make a deal
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