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Old 10-19-2009, 01:40 PM    (permalink
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I have always liked Jay Cutler: sure he makes a lot of stupid decisions, at the end of the day though he makes a lot more plays that can win games. He is who he is, he would be Ben Roethlisberger if he was in the same situation.
Yeah, he isn't perfect by any means, but as a Broncos fan I ALWAYS had faith that if the defense could at least keep it close, Jay would give us a chance to win the game at the end. And he almost always did. He did it last night too, but Pace ****** up. Based on how Pace just fell forward, it looked like a sneak, which, right after a spike would get them 3 shots at the endzone.

I still think Bears make the playoffs. Looking at it, I see:

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I think the only other teams with shots at making it are Philly, Dallas and SF, but if SF makes it, they're knocking AZ out and not Chicago.
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This just in:

The NFL has decided that no team shall go winless in 2009, so the Titans, Bucs and Rams have changed their schedules to play th Washington Redskins.

That is all.
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I think the wild-card race already looks exciting. The AFC spot is wide open and I wouldn't be surprised if a team like Houston, Miami or San Diego gets hot and makes it in over Cincinnati and Baltimore, who have tough schedules and might lose the battle of attrition.

As for the NFC here I agree with SABF. (acronym lol)
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While I like Cutler more than I do Rodgers, I still have more trust in that packers team than the bears. I've got the eagles and falcons as my two playoff teams from the NFC, but if one of those two slips I think it'll be the packers, then the cowboys, then bears and then the 9ers, who step up into that spot.
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While I like Cutler more than I do Rodgers, I still have more trust in that packers team than the bears. I've got the eagles and falcons as my two playoff teams from the NFC, but if one of those two slips I think it'll be the packers, then the cowboys, then bears and then the 9ers, who step up into that spot.
IMO the problem with the pack is their offensive line is ABYSMAL. I can't see them winning big games down the stretch with such a terrible terrible offensive line. It's the worst OL I've ever seen on a playoff contender.
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But is the Bears' line much better?
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Are you serious? After a game in week 6 you think you know the Super Bowl game? How'd that Giants/Titans Super Bowl go last year?
Wasn't a bad guess. I'm sure your guess wasn't any better Jugs.
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well even though our line is really horrible, i think we still have the 2nd best line, only by default
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But is the Bears' line much better?
It's a little better, but with Cutler's elusiveness, it's much more effective.

A look at big performers against GB:

Julian Peterson 2.5 sacks.
Adewale Ogunleye 2.0 sacks.
Antwan Odom 5.0(!) sacks.
Jared Allen 4.5(!) sacks.
Leonard Little 2.0 sacks.

Someone has racked up at least 2 sacks in every single Packers game this season.

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Cullen Jenkins and Brandon Chillar both had 1 sack week 1.
Week 2 2 other players had 1 sack each. Neither of them were Harrison or Woodley.
Week 3, yet again 2 players with 1 sack each.
Week 4, yet again 2 players with 1 sack each.
Week 6, 3 players in on the sack party, 1 player had 1 sack, 2 had 0.5.

So the Bears have allowed 2 sacks per game, total. Packers have yielded at least 2 sacks by one player in every single game. Allowing those kinds of sacks just kills offenses, and I don't think they can keep beating teams with that happening. Jay had the worst game of his career week 1 and the Bears still almost pulled it out. The Packers other 2 wins? Rams and Lions.
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2 things: I loved Decoud in the draft, glad to hear he's playing well.

and to answer your question, how many saw Raymell baby being THIS good?
the answer: Me. and giantsfan1080. and BBD <3 and me.
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2 things: I loved Decoud in the draft, glad to hear he's playing well.

and to answer your question, how many saw Raymell baby being THIS good?
the answer: Me. and giantsfan1080. and me.
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i don't get it. so you hit on 4 picks out of 10, with 2 in the first, 3rd and 5th? yippee?
How you REALLY build a team:

Draft bookend offensive tackles in the first and second, draft franchise NT and CBs in the third, and bring in an all-around offensive weapon in the 5th.

Oh, and also draft a potential future pro-bowl calibur TE in the 6th. He's not there yet, but he's shown good signs.

The Jaguars offense is a franchise QB and some young talent in the interior O-line away from being elite. Weird to say that, but true.
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Here to help, it's the least I can do after how wet Mr. Rice made me yesterday. Nice highstep.
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Draft bookend offensive tackles in the first and second, draft franchise NT and CBs in the third, and bring in an all-around offensive weapon in the 5th.

Oh, and also draft a potential future pro-bowl calibur TE in the 6th. He's not there yet, but he's shown good signs.

The Jaguars offense is a franchise QB and some young talent in the interior O-line away from being elite. Weird to say that, but true.
the real masterplan:


1. Trade two first round picks for a young pro bowl QB
2. ?????
3. Profit
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I always liked Rice, just didn't think he would this good. Right now I would only take Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson over him at the RB position.
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I always liked Rice, just didn't think he would this good. Right now I would only take Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson over him at the RB position.
Quite a statement Shiv but I suppose if you factor in age you can definitely make that argument right now.
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I always liked Rice, just didn't think he would this good. Right now I would only take Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson over him at the RB position.
oooooooo, i don't know. i love me some ray rice, and he's the complete package, but let's not forget he's running behind the best oline in football right now.
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Quite a statement Shiv but I suppose if you factor in age you can definitely make that argument right now.
Yeah because if I could I would take Steven Jackson; unfortunately he is wasting away in St Louis watching his best years pass him by.

Maurice Jones-Drew is another contender, but can he hold up with all the touches he is getting now? I liked him a lot better in tandem with Fred Taylor.

Ronnie Brown is playing amazing only for a contract. After this year I don't see him making much of an impact.
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Frank Gore when healthy is amazing as well.
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oooooooo, i don't know. i love me some ray rice, and he's the complete package, but let's not forget he's running behind the best oline in football right now.
I wouldn't say there the best, they are definitely one of the best, but I would say Denver's is probably #1, but when we get Jared Gaither back, look out.
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Frank Gore when healthy is amazing as well.
Too many health issues to take over some of these guys, though I definitely agree. MoJo is the only real argument I can come up with here since I'm not the biggest Jackson worshipper.
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