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Old 10-20-2009, 11:57 AM    (permalink
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Just wait until the weather gets cold. YPC will go up, as will the # of touches.

The true reason is a combination of multiple things, but I also think that once the weather makes it more difficult to throw (which is already starting to happen in the Northeast and Midwest), teams will concentrate on running more and be more patient with the run game.

Mark Sanchez got his first taste of the swirling winds at Giants stadium and it didn't treat him very well. I expect them to run the ball a lot more than they already have.

I expect other teams in similar situations to do the same.
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All I know is that Chris Johnson has almost is like 4 yards shy of 600 yards rushing and 120 rec yards and has an average attempt of 6.3 yards per carry. All of this is great but we are still 0-6. Anybody want Chris?

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All I know is that Chris Johnson has almost is like 4 yards shy of 600 yards rushing and 120 rec yards and has an average attempt of 6.3 yards per carry. All of this is great but we are still 0-6. Anybody want Chris?

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just imagine what he'd do with an actual offense around him.
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Seeing this list makes me feel better about Maurice Drew's "down" 4.3 ypc average.
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Huh? You're comparing the wrong years. I'm talking about 2008. They had basically identical seasons in terms of RUSHING.

Grant - 1203 yards on 312 attempts (3.9 average)
Forte - 1238 yards on 316 attempts (3.9 average)

Now this season:

Grant - 347 yards, 91 attempts (3.8 average)
Forte - 294 yards, 86 attempts (3.4 average)

So how exactly are they so different in terms of running the football, statistic-wise? They are both subpar backs in the NFL and haven't produced the past two seasons.
Well you said "Ryan Grant after his first season" - 2008 wasn't Grant's first season :P
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Well you said "Ryan Grant after his first season" - 2008 wasn't Grant's first season :P
Huh? After his first season would be 2008. He played exceptionally well in 2007, his first season. Afterwards, he's been subpar. During the same time that Grant has been subpar, Forte has been subpar.

Anyway, confusing but I think you get my point now. :P
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Huh? After his first season would be 2008. He played exceptionally well in 2007, his first season. Afterwards, he's been subpar. During the same time that Grant has been subpar, Forte has been subpar.

Anyway, confusing but I think you get my point now. :P
Yes, I get what you are you saying now. Just to clarify though, there is two different ways to read what you said, and since I can't read tone through text I guess I chose to read it one way, albeit arbitrarily.

I'd like to add though, that I don't think Forte was sub par (That's 2 words by the way, not correcting you to be a jerk, just pointing out for future use) his rookie year. Considering the lack of talent around him, I think 1,200+ yards rushing and 400+ yards receiving is pretty decent for a rookie.
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just imagine what he'd do with an actual offense around him.
The only thing our offense does not have is a QB and a good gameplan.
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The only thing our offense does not have is a QB and a good gameplan.
Not a fan of Carrie Collins? What about your franchise QB in Young?
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yeah, thats pretty much what I mean. I still think Kerry is good enough at qb, you just need more creativity on offense.

You have a solid set of TEs, a good up and coming WR in Britt, one of the best olines in the league, and a duel threat in CJ.

I just feel the offense can be used in a lot more ways, but its not.
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Yes, I get what you are you saying now. Just to clarify though, there is two different ways to read what you said, and since I can't read tone through text I guess I chose to read it one way, albeit arbitrarily.

I'd like to add though, that I don't think Forte was sub par (That's 2 words by the way, not correcting you to be a jerk, just pointing out for future use) his rookie year. Considering the lack of talent around him, I think 1,200+ yards rushing and 400+ yards receiving is pretty decent for a rookie.
I thought the exact same thing as you rocket...

Forte's starting year was on par with... well. the other 3 running backs last year in johnson and slaton. on a poor offensive team... without that good of a passing threat...
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yeah, thats pretty much what I mean. I still think Kerry is good enough at qb, you just need more creativity on offense.

You have a solid set of TEs, a good up and coming WR in Britt, one of the best olines in the league, and a duel threat in CJ.

I just feel the offense can be used in a lot more ways, but its not.
Carrie is horrible! I hated him soo much when he was our QB. Mind you, he did have his moments, but I couldn't wait until he left. They need to develop Young faster. Both Matt L and Young are on the bench behind their respective veteran QBs.
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Yes, I get what you are you saying now. Just to clarify though, there is two different ways to read what you said, and since I can't read tone through text I guess I chose to read it one way, albeit arbitrarily.

I'd like to add though, that I don't think Forte was sub par (That's 2 words by the way, not correcting you to be a jerk, just pointing out for future use) his rookie year. Considering the lack of talent around him, I think 1,200+ yards rushing and 400+ yards receiving is pretty decent for a rookie.
Actually, subpar can be one word.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/subpar

Forte was simply not efficient at getting those yards. Grant was the same way. Big yardage numbers but it took them both a ton of carries to get them.

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I saw Fisher on NFL network when they were undefeated last year, and Rich Eisen asked the question "So what do you with Vince Young now?" or something like that, and Fisher responded with something along the lines of, "What if Vince and Collins were on the field? How would a defense handle that?".

Anyways, I thought it was an interesting idea. It doesn't necessarily have to be "wildcat", which seems to have a negative connotation on it now, but maybe just some ordinary formations that feature Vince in unusual spots to throw the defense off.
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Actually, subpar is one word.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/subpar

Forte was simply not efficient at getting those yards. Grant was the same way. Big yardage numbers but it took them both a ton of carries to get them.
3.4 ypc = 10 yards per 3 down.

I'll take that...
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It can be both ways. :P

subpar or sub par

One of those things...
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Carrie is horrible! I hated him soo much when he was our QB. Mind you, he did have his moments, but I couldn't wait until he left. They need to develop Young faster. Both Matt L and Young are on the bench behind their respective veteran QBs.
I didn't think he was THAT bad. I liked him as a bus driver.

he can't win you games, but he can ride that bus. good stopgap qb.
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What is going on with running games in the NFL this season? It seems like there are very few teams who are getting it done on the ground.

There have been a ton of guys who can't get their YPC over 4. Who do you guys think are some of the biggest disappointments?

Brandon Jacobs - 3.6
Knowshon Moreno - 3.8
Michael Turner - 3.5
Kevin Smith - 3.2
Ryan Grant - 3.8
Larry Johnson - 2.7
Matt Forte - 3.4
Julius Jones - 3.9
Steve Slaton - 3.0
Jamal Lewis - 3.5
Jerome Harrison - 3.7
Joseph Addai - 3.4
Willie Parker - 3.1
Glen Coffee - 2.6

And the list goes on...

Some guys that stand out to me are Forte, Turner, and Jacobs. These guys were supposed to tear it up this year but they've been downright awful.
I thought the running games of many teams were down this year. It's probably because defenses are getting faster with time.
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This happens every year. The running game becomes the focal point as the weather gets colder and the defenses become hobbled with injuries.
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3.4 ypc = 10 yards per 3 down.

I'll take that...
Is this sarcasm?

If not...try watching some football one day. ;)
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The thing with jacobs is not only that teams loaded up on the run to test our passing game, but that Jacobs also seems to be running more carefully, as though he's trying to save himself for the more important games later in the season. He's been trying to cut and weave and be a real running back instead of being the ogre who knocks down anyone in his path that he has been in the past, this has also stopped him from making many 10+ yard runs to boost his average.
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I didn't think he was THAT bad. I liked him as a bus driver.

he can't win you games, but he can ride that bus. good stopgap qb.
I hated him with a passion. He was like a robot. Sometimes I wondered outside the deep ball, did he actually think as a QB. I couldn't wait until he left us. He appeared better because he was the first "real" Qb outside the Kannel, Brown, Cherry, era of non sense. So Carrie appeared amazing! lol.
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Ray Rice averages 6 yards per carry and 9.8 YPC, he leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage. Scotty is a genius. I think Rice will be used like Tomlinson did back in his prime in SD.

But who has the best yards per carry? Is it Chris Johnson?
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Ray Rice averages 6 yards per carry and 9.8 YPC, he leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage. Scotty is a genius. I think Rice will be used like Tomlinson did back in his prime in SD.

But who has the best yards per carry? Is it Chris Johnson?
Ahmad Bradshaw's getting 6.2 ypc I think that's around what Johnson's getting. Then again I am far from a stat guy so there could be a few guys I'm just not realizing are performing as well as they are.
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